― Jay 79 (jaybob79), Thursday, 22 July 2004 14:05 (8 years ago) Permalink
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 July 2004 14:10 (8 years ago) Permalink
― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Thursday, 22 July 2004 14:10 (8 years ago) Permalink
― lukey (Lukey G), Thursday, 22 July 2004 14:10 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Jay G (jaybob79), Thursday, 22 July 2004 14:12 (8 years ago) Permalink
― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Thursday, 22 July 2004 14:13 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Jay G (jaybob79), Thursday, 22 July 2004 14:13 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Jay G (jaybob79), Thursday, 22 July 2004 14:14 (8 years ago) Permalink
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 July 2004 14:14 (8 years ago) Permalink
let the rehabilitation of that great comic genius commence NOW
― Jay G (jaybob79), Thursday, 22 July 2004 14:20 (8 years ago) Permalink
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 July 2004 14:23 (8 years ago) Permalink
― lukey (Lukey G), Thursday, 22 July 2004 14:29 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Jay G (jaybob79), Thursday, 22 July 2004 14:38 (8 years ago) Permalink
― duke anquetil, Thursday, 22 July 2004 20:09 (8 years ago) Permalink
― g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 22 July 2004 20:11 (8 years ago) Permalink
― duke shotgun, Thursday, 22 July 2004 20:12 (8 years ago) Permalink
And Sheryl Crow. Hopefully his reign of terror will end soon.
― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Thursday, 22 July 2004 20:14 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 22 July 2004 20:29 (8 years ago) Permalink
― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 22 July 2004 20:36 (8 years ago) Permalink
― duke outdoor, Thursday, 22 July 2004 20:41 (8 years ago) Permalink
x-post
― jimmy crackhorn, Thursday, 22 July 2004 20:43 (8 years ago) Permalink
(see also Jesse Ventura vs Arnold Schwarzenegger)
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 July 2004 20:43 (8 years ago) Permalink
(xpost)
― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 22 July 2004 20:45 (8 years ago) Permalink
― duke austin, Thursday, 22 July 2004 20:51 (8 years ago) Permalink
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 July 2004 20:53 (8 years ago) Permalink
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 22 July 2004 20:56 (8 years ago) Permalink
― duke support, Thursday, 22 July 2004 20:58 (8 years ago) Permalink
― jimmy crackhorn, Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:02 (8 years ago) Permalink
Sheryl Crow prior to her own ride up l'Alpe in June.
― Hunter (Hunter), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:34 (8 years ago) Permalink
The Crow-Williams crap is unfortunate, but sounds like a hell of a lot of people are making unwarranted assumptions about him to justify the hate. Frankly, his dominance doesn´t piss me off anywhere near as much as, say, Sampras´s in tennis.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 July 2004 22:55 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Matt (Matt), Friday, 23 July 2004 01:39 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Porkpie (porkpie), Friday, 23 July 2004 07:29 (8 years ago) Permalink
That's the thing with Lance -- he never fires the first shot in a war of words, but once that first shot is fired, he's relentless.
Although this "no more gifts" thing from yesterday may be an exception -- I still don't know wtf he's talking about.
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 23 July 2004 07:36 (8 years ago) Permalink
Lance is pretty dogged if he feels that someone's against him. I guess it's what makes him the competitor that he is, but also something I find really off-putting about him.
― NickB (NickB), Friday, 23 July 2004 07:43 (8 years ago) Permalink
It's particularly off-putting that he talked about "no gifts" right after openly admitting that he gave his teammate the go-ahead to try and win the stage.
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:42 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Porkpie (porkpie), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:43 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:46 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Porkpie (porkpie), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:47 (8 years ago) Permalink
― anthony, Friday, 23 July 2004 08:53 (8 years ago) Permalink
"I had assumed, because he and Bush were Texans and I’d seen pictures of them laughing and joking in the Oval Office, that Armstrong was a Republican. But he says his politics are “middle to Left”. He is “against mixing up State and Church, not keen on guns, pro women’s right to choose”. And very anti war in Iraq."
Sadly, I made the same assumptions as Alistair Campbell! a mistake i'll try never to repeat...
But, whoever said above that i had negative images of Armstrong cos he came from Texas... NO NO NO. i LOVE Armstrong and the fact that he's disassociated himself from Bush makes me love him all the more...(tho not as much as yesterday's unbelievable sprint finish!).
Also, I've got relatives in Austin and have been there several times and thorougly enjoyed it, so i'm not anti-Texans in general either.
this thread was meant to be Armstrong love, people. Sorry for any confusion...
― Jay 79 (jaybob79), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:53 (8 years ago) Permalink
If he's not making ref. to the Basso stage win, then he must be referring to his decision to chase down Klodi at the line yesterday, that is, not give him the "gift" of breaking away for the stage win without putting up a fight at the end.
The thing is, that was no gift, that was Klodi's fuckup pure and simple. The last few km were ALL Ullrich -- he chased down Landis not once but twice, and then duped the others into thinking he was going to play cat-and-mouse for the last km, which caused everyone to ease up and gave his teammate the oppurtunity to attack. And it was a great attack -- nobody reacted in the least -- but he ran out of gas 10 seconds later, appeared to ease up with about 500 m to go, couldn't finish strong, and checked the wrong blind spot twice looking for someone trying to outsprint him to the line. If Klodi had broken away and won, there's be no talk of gifts, just of great riding by the T-Mobile boys.
(xposts)
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:54 (8 years ago) Permalink
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9910-1018310,00.html
― Jay 79 (jaybob79), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:54 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Jay 79 (jaybob79), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:56 (8 years ago) Permalink
That would be particularly tasteless in light of Pantani's death earlier in the year, even though there was no love lost between the two of them after that incident in 2000.
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:05 (8 years ago) Permalink
supposedly eddy merckx told lance, after he let pantani take a TdF stage many years ago (which pantani was reportedly offended by BTW), "gifts are for birthdays" and it has been a syndrome with lance for a long time it's true, he is all about the G.C., and in some ways only about it. merckx and hinault are disappointed by this, the respective cannibal and badger there before him. he is not in the footsteps of lemond and indurain so much as in theirs, style-wise, but eddy and bernard don't seem to understand at all this kind of aw-shucks side, that is in fact more like greg's and miguel's outlooks. BTW greg lemond though what an asshole, i'm bummed out by him i must say. just like for lance, he used to be a hero to me. but lance is going for that even earlier style full-bore now, and it is fucking awesome.
― duke liege, Friday, 23 July 2004 09:07 (8 years ago) Permalink
― NickB (NickB), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:10 (8 years ago) Permalink
― NickB (NickB), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:04 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:10 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:11 (8 years ago) Permalink
"If there was a truth and reconciliation commission - and I can't call for that - and I'm invited I'll be first man through the door."
ball of steel
― cozen, Friday, 18 January 2013 10:47 (4 months ago) Permalink
thread title needs a change, maybe just had "in the Nietzschean sense" or something i dunno
― non-elitist melted poo (Noodle Vague), Friday, 18 January 2013 10:50 (4 months ago) Permalink
This is the woman who is not Fat. 1000000000x better human being than Lance
http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t1#/video/us/2013/01/18/ac-armstrong-andreu-reacts-to-intv.cnn
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 18 January 2013 11:19 (4 months ago) Permalink
RIP Lance, heaven needed a really shit reason for having seven really boring Tours in a row.
Anyway, I'm off to see what L'Equipe has to say about this, I bet it will be quite reasoned.
― You Just Haven't Formed It Yet, Babby (King Boy Pato), Friday, 18 January 2013 12:33 (4 months ago) Permalink
can we change thread title to "Lance Armstrong is a Golden God"
― besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Friday, 18 January 2013 12:34 (4 months ago) Permalink
There was a perfectly good I hate Lance Armstrong. thread we could have used for this.
― Stop Gerrying Me! (onimo), Friday, 18 January 2013 12:40 (4 months ago) Permalink
xp how about 'Lance Armstrong has a Golden Arm'?
― pure dressed up like a white ninja (snoball), Friday, 18 January 2013 13:09 (4 months ago) Permalink
guys, thread title is perfect
― lag∞n, Friday, 18 January 2013 13:32 (4 months ago) Permalink
http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/steroid-testosterone-information/172626-performance-enhancing-drugs-professional-sports-long-interview.html
very revealing
― moullet, Friday, 18 January 2013 13:55 (4 months ago) Permalink
I have expected him to start laying down plastic sheets on Oprah's set and start lecturing her about Huey Lewis
― fieri inna babylon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 January 2013 14:35 (4 months ago) Permalink
LOL otm
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 18 January 2013 17:25 (4 months ago) Permalink
re: moullet's post, have long said they should just legalise everything
― imago, Friday, 18 January 2013 17:30 (4 months ago) Permalink
an oft mentioned awful idea that would ensure victors would be those most willing to risk their lives via medical experimentation, not to mention the vast majority of fans dont want to see that shit in the first place and the whole thing becomes kinda moot w/o fans
― lag∞n, Friday, 18 January 2013 17:34 (4 months ago) Permalink
what a lot of people don't realize about PEDs is that they affect different people in widely different ways.
in the case of endurance sports, EPO can only help some people slightly, and others immensely.
this is why when LA talks about how the era when he won the tours was "an even playing field", it's 100% bullshit.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 18 January 2013 17:37 (4 months ago) Permalink
If they legalize everything, I expect to see surgically-created human-animal hybrids before 2020.
― Aimless, Friday, 18 January 2013 17:37 (4 months ago) Permalink
as the link says, it's not necessarily that life-threatening if done *well*
the main issue with it would be that of access, and consequent unfairness when the bigger nations won the arms-race to develop the most effective chemicals, although extremely talented individuals from poorer nations will always find sponsorship
i'd foresee a breakaway 'clean' movement, and YOU, THE PEOPLE would choose which to follow, if either
that said, extend this to other sports and i begin to feel a trifle repulsed, so perhaps these are just my dismissive thoughts about athletics being projected
― imago, Friday, 18 January 2013 17:37 (4 months ago) Permalink
aimless, that would be amazing. see the human cheetah! only 7 farthings a view! for a fortnight only!
― imago, Friday, 18 January 2013 17:38 (4 months ago) Permalink
bingo, but on the spectrum of "reprehensible things Lance Armstrong said during the Oprah interview" I don't think it places that high, he really came off badly in so many ways
― frogbs, Friday, 18 January 2013 17:45 (4 months ago) Permalink
Imago - aside from everything else where would the money come from? What brands would want to be associated with an openly 'dirty' cycling competition?
― peligro, Friday, 18 January 2013 17:52 (4 months ago) Permalink
well, that's where a 'clean' breakaway would form, with far more stringent testing
dunno, this narrative needs some work
― imago, Friday, 18 January 2013 17:56 (4 months ago) Permalink
But surely there would be more money in the 'clean' version so you would just get people spending big money to come up with ways to beat the tests/bully people into silence and win that one as there would be greater rewards.
― peligro, Friday, 18 January 2013 18:02 (4 months ago) Permalink
And then it'll be won a bunch of times by some guy called Bance Harmstong do u see
― peligro, Friday, 18 January 2013 18:05 (4 months ago) Permalink
maybe we shouldn't look up to sportspeople so much as paragons of human achievement or virtue, but as entertainers
― imago, Friday, 18 January 2013 18:07 (4 months ago) Permalink
idk this kinda kills me to write as I would like to believe in corinthian values, level playing-fields and the like
team sports don't bring out the cynic in me nearly so much - cycling and athletics are rigged games trying their damnedest to put on an outward show of cleanness and it's a shame because they can be extremely good fun to watch - they can carry with them the catharsis of sublime victory - but beneath it all is the drugs narrative and it puts me off
― imago, Friday, 18 January 2013 18:10 (4 months ago) Permalink
The PED testing done today, while not perfect, is incredibly more advanced than it was even say like 4 years ago... particularly in the chemical analysis regarding steroids, blood/oxygen-boosters, blood transfusions.
Hormone testing is much more sophisticated, but a lot of the masking agents are now easier to detect (FSchleck for example).
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 18 January 2013 18:13 (4 months ago) Permalink
strange guy http://gawker.com/5977073/presenting-the-most-awkward-moment-from-lance-armstrongs-oprah-interview-his-failed-fat-joke
― lag∞n, Friday, 18 January 2013 19:10 (4 months ago) Permalink
A smirk smeared across his face, Armstrong wistfully recalls how he called Besty "crazy" and "a bitch."
Then, for one horrible moment, you can and watch Lance sit back "read the room."
Time for a little comedy.
"I did call her crazy….I did. I did. I think she'd be okay with me saying this, but…I'm gonna take the liberty to say it. [When we spoke on the phone recently,] I said 'Listen, I called you ‘crazy,' I called you ‘a bitch.' I called you all these things…but I never called you ‘fat.'"
Then, Armstrong pauses for laughter.
He pauses a little longer for laughter.
He waits and waits for the laughter to come, while the camera cuts to a brilliant shot of Oprah blinking at him, her eyelids heavy under the weight of gravitas.
"'Cause…" he begins. Maybe Oprah didn't get the joke? Maybe if he explains the joke it will become funny and he and Oprah will laugh and laugh and she'll scrap the whole interview and take him to OS-TRAIL-YAAAAA instead?
"…She thought I said ‘You are a fat, crazy bitch,'" he flails, reaching out for a lifesaver. Unfortunately Oprah's soul has already left her body; she floats above the room and watches him die.
"…And I said," he repeats "‘Betsy…I never said you were fat.'"
Okay, Oprah's done. She moves on.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 18 January 2013 19:14 (4 months ago) Permalink
u_u
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 18 January 2013 19:16 (4 months ago) Permalink
making a fat joke to oprah is just...alien behavior.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 18 January 2013 19:17 (4 months ago) Permalink
these are the the things that make me feel okay for disliking him all these years. douche
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 18 January 2013 19:21 (4 months ago) Permalink
He called her fat and ugly for the record.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 18 January 2013 19:24 (4 months ago) Permalink
espn is really burying this story
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Saturday, 19 January 2013 00:21 (4 months ago) Permalink
at least on their website. 8th story down on the sidebar, below alvin gentry getting canned and tiger missing the cut.
lance armstrong on oprah: sort of like watching a play about the crucifixion?
― Z S, Saturday, 19 January 2013 04:44 (4 months ago) Permalink
but actor jesus reaaaally sucks
― Z S, Saturday, 19 January 2013 04:45 (4 months ago) Permalink
http://gawker.com/5977456/australian-library-moves-lance-armstrongs-books-to-the-fiction-section
― Stop Gerrying Me! (onimo), Monday, 21 January 2013 15:31 (3 months ago) Permalink
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/21/australian-library-lance-armstrong-fiction
― abanana, Monday, 21 January 2013 16:19 (3 months ago) Permalink
True Crime surely?
― pandemic, Monday, 21 January 2013 16:27 (3 months ago) Permalink
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/21/us/actually-that-lance-armstrong-library-thing-was-real-after-all-man-this-is-confusing/index.html?hpt=us_c2
― the legend of bigger yansh (some dude), Monday, 21 January 2013 16:27 (3 months ago) Permalink
http://veloclinic.tumblr.com/post/41480107464
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 26 January 2013 18:22 (3 months ago) Permalink
http://playtrue.wada-ama.org/news/statement-from-wada-president-john-fahey-in-response-to-uci-press-release-of-january-28-2013/
― Confused Turtle (Zora), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 14:59 (3 months ago) Permalink
Sack Fat Pat
I hope everyone is aware of the mascot the World Road Championships organising comittee in tuscany chose this year. Very Appropriate
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 15:07 (3 months ago) Permalink
that's perfect
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 15:22 (3 months ago) Permalink
yeah, that's amazing.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 15:23 (3 months ago) Permalink
― Confused Turtle (Zora), Saturday, 2 February 2013 14:13 (3 months ago) Permalink
^^ that is not what it looks like. Watch out for the bit where his eyes flash and his wheels catch fire...
― Confused Turtle (Zora), Saturday, 2 February 2013 14:14 (3 months ago) Permalink
He's back!
Jesus H.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 April 2013 16:18 (4 weeks ago) Permalink
― markers, Sunday, 21 April 2013 16:57 (4 weeks ago) Permalink
Bill Brock, Betsy Andreu and Greg & Kathy LeMond talk about doping http://new.livestream.com/ut-comm/events/2050748
― you may not like it now but you will (Zora), Tuesday, 23 April 2013 12:17 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
(It starts at about 40:00)
― you may not like it now but you will (Zora), Tuesday, 23 April 2013 12:18 (3 weeks ago) Permalink