Let's talk about Roland Emmerich's approach to film-making

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I'm watching C4's The Day After Tomorrow's Premiere show - premiere shows sometimes don't come off too well it seems - obv. they're trying to show you as much as possible without spoiling, but that's not my problem here. I think I would quite like to go and see this film in the cinema for obvious reasons. I've never seen an Emmerich film in the cinema before, perhaps oddly. Again maybe the reasons why are obvious. The guy seems like a charlatan, presenting the art of film-making as an illusion, ignoring certain qualities (quality dialogue and getting the best out of his actors, subtlety in shots etc.) in favour of others (set-piece FX bonanzas and spectacular but cynical and sensationalist visual feasts). What drives him to make his films that way? Could a better compromise not be made? Is he just a fortuitous geek in the wrong chair - or are there hidden depths (misanthropic? approaching the medium and genre with an appropriate level of cynicism after all?)? What do you like and hate about his style and approach? Shouldn't he and other people be trying to make more intelligent disaster movies anymore?

stevem (blueski), Monday, 31 May 2004 10:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Double posting bitch! "I gave you the best posts of my life!!!" Okay, not really, but still.

Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 31 May 2004 10:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Shouldn't he and other people be trying to make more intelligent disaster movies anymore?

Come anticipate a dour, foreign language film about the apocalypse with me

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 31 May 2004 10:55 (twenty-two years ago)

?

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 31 May 2004 10:55 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks cozen i missed that it seems

stevem (blueski), Monday, 31 May 2004 10:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Do people see Emmerich films for dialogue and acting? Could we say that The Day After Tomorrow is really a slightly less pretentious version of what we got Earthquake and The Towering Inferno and the Airport series? I say "less pretentious" for starters because he doesn't pepper his movies with old movie stars like Helen Hayes or Fred Astaire for that thin veneer of quality, and also because his movies don't really do the quasi-Altman ensemble acting thing? (Granted, this doesn't make his movies that much more palatable.)

The astonishing thing to me about the disaster movies of the seventies disaster flicks is how, even with all the movie put into them, the production level is often comparable to your seventies TV movie. Not just the FX (which are really quite astoundingly primitive) but the sets, the interiors, the scuzzy lighting...bad, bad, bad. And, god, Earthquake had an quasi-Evil Kinevil subplot!

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 31 May 2004 11:05 (twenty-two years ago)

In other words, a disaster movie should be bling and NOT look like an episode of McMillan & Wife.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 31 May 2004 11:08 (twenty-two years ago)

" I say "less pretentious" for starters because he doesn't pepper his movies with old movie stars like Helen Hayes or Fred Astaire for that thin veneer of quality, and also because his movies don't really do the quasi-Altman ensemble acting thing? "

-> Easier to focus on the collapsing old buildings instead of saying "Hey look! That's Fred Astaire acting. " (For this anyone who avoids using film*stars* gets a bonus point.


"What drives him to make his films that way?"

Uh, money? That's how I see it. He's here to entertain you now, not make a lasting art-product.

jesus nathalie (nathalie), Monday, 31 May 2004 11:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Uh, money? That's how I see it. He's here to entertain you now, not make a lasting art-product.

Well, unless the movies comes out on self-destructing DVDs, he's made a lasting art-product whether anyone likes it or not. (I think NBC was showing The Towering Inferno every once in a while on prime-time before 9/11.)

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 31 May 2004 11:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Is matthew broderick a film star/novelty value?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 31 May 2004 11:49 (twenty-two years ago)

*sigh* Michael, maybe the fact that English isn't my first language may have resulted in my opinion to be misunderstood. As opposed to E's films, I like to think some of my opinions may be *subtle* and *layered*. Or maybe,... well,... you just misunderstood what I meant to imply: Emmerich doesn't want to make a Citizen Kane. He's all about Pop: Day After Tomorrow is s'posed to be fun and overwhelming, not subtlety. Yes, it's available on indestructable (for about a century) DVD but I don't think anyone would see it as a *quality* film.


Is matthew broderick a film star/novelty value?

Well, there was a third option: A hasbeen. I mean, in what parallel world do you live when you consider Matthew B a star?!? On this planet he's only know as Ferris, Sarah's husband. (Partially joking here.)

jesus nathalie (nathalie), Monday, 31 May 2004 12:22 (twenty-two years ago)

(and one of the men behind the recent musical revival?)

Wasn't Fred Astaire a hasbeen (albeit a glittering one) in 1974?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 31 May 2004 12:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I think he's just an astonishingly shitty filmmaker who was in the right place at the "right" time. I think he's the worst 'name' director making films to-day, and he's probably in with a shot at being the worst ever. I mean, his best film, not including the new one, or poss the one before last as well, b/c I started looking for his name and avoiding it after "the patriot" is probably "stargate" which is RUBBISH. the one thing that never ceases to amaze me is how good his trailers look, I mean I watched the trailer for "the day after tomorrow", and even knowing it was "a roland emmerich film", it looked fucking great! I remember seeing the trailer for "independence day", and thinking holy fukc, this looks like the BEST FILM EVER MADE, then abt 45 mins into the real film, I was like WTF!!!11! TH|S FILM = T3H SUX0R3S+!!!1!!!1

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 31 May 2004 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, and his approach to film-making is obviously something like "coherence? script? wtf??? Feh, who giveth teh fux0r abt any of that shit. LOOK AT NYC GET DROWNED UNDER THIS K-K3WL TIDAL WAVE FFS!!!!1!"

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 31 May 2004 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

To say nothing about how a Mac OS can hack into a extraterrestrial operating system.

Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 31 May 2004 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, that's part of the coherence thing isn't it? The fact that none of his films make any sense whatsoever.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 31 May 2004 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

i kiss you on the money, Pashmina

stevem (blueski), Monday, 31 May 2004 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh wait, he did Stargate? I love that movie far more than is healthy.

(IMDB's him)

Everything else he's done is crap though.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 31 May 2004 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

as pop, his recent films are depressing and indigestable, though.

his interviews are funny, he takes really really seriously questions like "should the tidal wave have knocked down the empire state building or no?"

it takes a lot of skill to be a film director, let alone a director of high-budget movies like this. he deserves my respect for that.

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 31 May 2004 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

(hint: that's called "Damning with faint praise" lest you miss my point.)

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 31 May 2004 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Progress:

1996: walls of flame
2004: walls of water

Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 31 May 2004 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

"Oh wait, he did Stargate? I love that movie far more than is healthy."

Haha, me too. Even though it's not a very good movie it's the only film of his that shows any hint of originality. By "originality" i mean combining aspects of several different types of movies (in Stargate's case aliens, desert epics, military thriller, etc.) rather than ripping off one kind of movie (like Independence Day, which is simply War of the Worlds 1996). That's not much of a compliment I guess, but still I prefer his style of big-budget schlock to Michael Bay's.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 31 May 2004 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

his next films are about:

(a) the white slave trade
(b) king tut

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 31 May 2004 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

dennis quaid is going around like he's a real scientist.

keith m (keithmcl), Monday, 31 May 2004 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

i liked that roland emmerich interview when he was all like "deep impact's tidal wave was too big! ours is smaller and better!"

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 31 May 2004 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe i will just download it, to send a message out to the charlatan. i am prepared to settle for watching it for free on a small screen - SACRIFICE

stevem (blueski), Monday, 31 May 2004 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't want to see it at all. weather is boring. i prefer movies with monsters and robots and shit.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 31 May 2004 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)


there was an ad before the movie i saw yesterday warning against downloading movies.

downloading movies? to me that's science-fiction. i felt like i was seeing an ad from 2525.

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 31 May 2004 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Somebody said upthread about how his movies make for great trailers - well thats one of the many problems with Day After Tomorrow. If you go to the movie for the big money Fx shots of tidal waves etc (and why else would you possibly go? For the realistic dialogue, the three dimensional characters, the incisive criticism of current environmental policy?) and you happen to have seen the trailer already, then you will feel a tad ripped off. Because just about every one of those shots is in the trailer.

But wait - there are CGI wolves that aren't in the trailer. CGI wolves. Yes. Scary.

David Nolan (David N.), Monday, 31 May 2004 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

i think i saw a bit of a wolf in the premiere show

stevem (blueski), Monday, 31 May 2004 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)

but Michael, is the set design in Towering Inferno not a breathtaking tthing? The orange wall carpts right next to the elevators just scream foreshadowing.

H (Heruy), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 01:07 (twenty-two years ago)


i liked that roland emmerich interview when he was all like "deep impact's tidal wave was too big! ours is smaller and better!"

-- s1ocki (parrisactava...) (webmail), May 31st, 2004 2:16 PM. (slutsky) (later) (link)


it's funny how a certain notion (and degree) of "realism" is required, even in this context. that's always the case with art, but it's still worth a laugh here.

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 01:10 (twenty-two years ago)

he was really going to town on deep impact!

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 05:11 (twenty-two years ago)

my friend who was almost in this movie until his scene was cut said he asked emmerich where he got the idea for the movie. emmerich held up this book (i forget the title) and said "all i had to do was read the first page!"

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 05:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually what they're not making clear to everyone is that the movie is based on a crackpot book called "The Coming Global Superstorm" by Whitley Strieber (yes the author of the alien abduction book Communion) and Art Bell (the former conspiracy radio show host).

http://unknowncountry.com

Strieber has a fascination with apocalypse/end of the world scenarios which go back to his novel Warday, written before his alleged alien abduction.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

did no one notice that emmerich's next two projects are going to be about king tut and the white slave trade, respectively????!!

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Uh, I thought that was a joke.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok, lemme guess....

King Tut - destroys New York.

The White Slave Trade - destroys New York. And Los Angeles. And a token European/Asian City for that international appeal.

David Nolan (David N.), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)

No, not King Tut. King Tut!

http://www.graceleewhitney.tf/batman1.jpg

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 22:31 (twenty-two years ago)

white slavery is BACK!!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)

it's a return to old-fashioned values in moviemaking!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)

serious, king tut/white slave trade is so cecil b de mille ca. 1920!

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 05:21 (twenty-two years ago)

i know, it's kinda weird, esp with the passion of the christ and all

now we just need some assimilationist fables à la the jazz singer

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

and of course a return to the yiddish cinema

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0443649/

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:05 (twenty years ago)

so I did actually quite enjoy The Day Before Tomorrow in the end...

xpost

hmm, can they really sell this just on "Our CGI mammoths will give Jackson's olyphants a real run for their money!"

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:12 (twenty years ago)

Who knows. I'm stoked for the DVD.

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:30 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

http://www.avclub.com/articles/director-lined-up-to-ruin-asimovs-foundation,22791/

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 15:10 (seventeen years ago)

prefer emma emmerich

o_O (ken c), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 15:34 (seventeen years ago)

10,000 BC was megalolz

"Set phasers to thrill!" (latebloomer), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 18:52 (seventeen years ago)

it’s likely Roland Emmerich will direct the Independance Day film after his latest film Anonymous about the life of William Shakespeare

yawaya??

FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 16:19 (sixteen years ago)

doh xpost, but I had to exclaim.

FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 16:19 (sixteen years ago)

hahaha an oxonian movie?!?! jesus wept

goole, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 16:27 (sixteen years ago)

oxfordian, i mean.

still, make a 9/11 truther movie, why don't you

goole, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 16:34 (sixteen years ago)

Mr. Teall had originally planned to put a life-size waxwork statue of Mr. Emmerich under the stairs. After discussing news coverage of Pope John Paul II's death with Mr. Emmerich, though, he decided it would be much funnier to depict the pope reading his own obituaries.

hahahaha I want emmerich to be my uncle

ain't no thang but a chicken ㅋ (dyao), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 23:57 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

Ignatiy V. on Anonymous as a secret autobiography of Emmerich:

http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/secret-defense-roland-emmerichs-anonymous

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 November 2011 04:16 (fourteen years ago)

thanks for that. fun read!

latebloomer, Friday, 4 November 2011 03:08 (fourteen years ago)

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AXbiCdmXgw

lol there was already a white house down movie this year

乒乓, Sunday, 19 May 2013 19:45 (thirteen years ago)

i feel like there are eight or nine of those movies this year

i can't really tell this year's blockbusters apart

what's that will smith one, after earth, and how is it different from the tom cruise one?

and what's that world war Z or whatever with brad pitt and how is it different from whatever roland emmerich was doing last year and the next?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 20 May 2013 01:58 (thirteen years ago)

oh god world war Z is about zombies

that shark was jumped several years decades ago no?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 20 May 2013 01:59 (thirteen years ago)

The most annoying thing about World War Z for me (at least until if/when I see the movie, which I probably won't) is how the press (cover stories in Vanity Fair and Entertainment Weekly) has been covering it as if it were some really personal, risky project for Brad Pitt rather than just another summer blockbuster based on some stupid book about zombies.

Public Brooding Closet (cryptosicko), Monday, 20 May 2013 02:02 (thirteen years ago)

yeah brad pitt makes risky projects but this (directed by the guy who directed one of the highest-grossing bond movies fairly recently) is not one of them

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 20 May 2013 02:03 (thirteen years ago)

unless all the dialogue is in aramaic or something

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 20 May 2013 02:04 (thirteen years ago)

this guy's movies are the worst

media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Monday, 20 May 2013 07:53 (thirteen years ago)

World War Zzzz amirite y'all

lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Monday, 20 May 2013 12:51 (thirteen years ago)

one month passes...

the (short-lived) left-wing politics of WHD!

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/113668/white-house-down-reviewed-isaac-chotiner#

playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 June 2013 16:24 (twelve years ago)

lol i'd never seen stargate. they go to "the other side of the universe" and the only scientist they take is james spader as david foster wallace the egyptologist

"""""""""""""stalin""""""""""" (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 04:47 (twelve years ago)

That op-ed is as good a prompting as any to put forward that Rocky IV might be the only mainstream release ever to argue that unchecked patriotism - regardless of nation - is a serious hindrance.

Simon H., Wednesday, 10 July 2013 06:07 (twelve years ago)

nine months pass...

http://www.avclub.com/article/roland-emmerichs-next-movie-about-explosion-gay-ri-203326

Inside Lewellyn Sinclair (cryptosicko), Thursday, 10 April 2014 21:48 (twelve years ago)

Can't wait for the Armond review!

Damnit Janet Weiss & The Riot Grrriel (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 10 April 2014 22:14 (twelve years ago)

Meanwhile, his history with gay characters is mostly limited to Independence Day’s Harvey Fierstein

...whose death in the movie, I seem to remember, was played pretty much for laughs?

there was a definite cool-factor in tupac's hologram (stevie), Friday, 11 April 2014 09:02 (twelve years ago)

seven years pass...

Verbatim quote from this guy, back when I interviewed him:

Also, don’t forget, Independence Day is now called a disaster movie, but it’s about an alien invasion! Hello!? And then Godzilla got called a disaster movie, but in the *original* Godzilla Tokyo is in ruins. I only destroyed Madison Square Garden, a couple of buildings, and the Brooklyn Bridge. New York is still standing … on purpose. So it’s a little unfair when people say I’ve done the same movie three times. They’re very different from each other.

Anyway, fast forward, I dunno, 15 years?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx97DuHGr2o

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 November 2021 00:46 (four years ago)

Ron Howard should have hurried up with his adaptation of Neal Stephenson's Seveneves so they could open on the same weekend.

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 01:17 (four years ago)

Oh man, that shit’s gonna be hilarious. SOLD. What was the name of that movie where Aaron Eckhardt and Hilary Swank and Stanley Tucci tunnel through the earth? This looks even “better” than that.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 03:18 (four years ago)

you mean THE CORE

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 03:19 (four years ago)

that looks like total hot garbage i totally want to see it

thing that i used to think was cool but now i just don't have time for (stevie), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 08:43 (four years ago)

TRAILER

thing that i used to think was cool but now i just don't have time for (stevie), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 08:44 (four years ago)

STARTS

thing that i used to think was cool but now i just don't have time for (stevie), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 08:44 (four years ago)

NOW

thing that i used to think was cool but now i just don't have time for (stevie), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 08:44 (four years ago)

omg, I just saw the title and thought 'surely that can't be intended literally, not even Emmerich is that stupid' but it totally is and he totally is.

From the director of EARTHSPLODE and GALAXYMELT comes MOONFALLDOWNGOBOOM

knuckleheaded mornonic bafoon (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 12:44 (four years ago)

This dude, Michael Bay, dudes of their ilk, it's never the ridiculousness of the premise that makes me turn it off, it's always all the bullshit in between, the shallow melodrama, the broad stereotypes, that bullshit. The moon crashing I can handle, what always sinks this shit is, I dunno, Patrick Wilson and Halle Berry are exes who have to learn to love each other again for the sake of their daughter, who is, like, trapped on an off-shore oil rig that's on fire and sinking and radioactive and under attack by aliens.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 November 2021 12:58 (four years ago)

And she's got to get back in time for her wedding.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 November 2021 13:01 (four years ago)

so otm. "i guess i was so busy being a nuclear laser moon scientist, that i forgot how to be... a dad."

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 13:14 (four years ago)

i saw the moonfall trailer before a movie and it came off like a mr. show parody of a roland emmerich film, so i kinda wanna see it

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 13:24 (four years ago)

It will be awesome when the movie ends with the moon hoisted back into place.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 November 2021 13:26 (four years ago)

"If we just fill it with enough helium, that should be enough to get it back into orbit!!!"

And then the entire climax, all the actors will have squeaky helium voices.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 November 2021 13:27 (four years ago)

I would love to see a straight-up mashup of a Garry Marshall romcom and a Roland Emmerich disaster flick. Kinda like Miracle Mile except super trashy and filled to bursting with mid-level stars getting over their commitment issues while dodging pieces of falling sky.

knuckleheaded mornonic bafoon (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 13:31 (four years ago)

https://i.imgur.com/bCjofEz.png

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 2 November 2021 13:35 (four years ago)

I got the full IMAX treatment of this trailer when it ran before Dune the other day. The audience essentially shrugged in response.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 2 November 2021 14:12 (four years ago)

Maybe because it's the opposite of "Dune." You really have to see it at home on the *small* screen to get the full effect.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 November 2021 14:24 (four years ago)

Yeah, this is made to be watched on TV, or even better, a laptop, with headphones on to avoid embarrassing questions from friends, coworkers or loved ones.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 15:34 (four years ago)

Or a transatlantic flight

thing that i used to think was cool but now i just don't have time for (stevie), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 15:45 (four years ago)

I think that's how I saw 2012

thing that i used to think was cool but now i just don't have time for (stevie), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 15:45 (four years ago)

Or the one with John Cusack

thing that i used to think was cool but now i just don't have time for (stevie), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 15:45 (four years ago)

Which might be 2012 now I think of it

thing that i used to think was cool but now i just don't have time for (stevie), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 15:46 (four years ago)

Terrible movies all

thing that i used to think was cool but now i just don't have time for (stevie), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 15:46 (four years ago)

I had to look this up to make sure it really does exist and wasn't a weird fever dream:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_(2015_film)

mh, Tuesday, 2 November 2021 17:00 (four years ago)

two months pass...

This will be the clip they play at all the awards shows

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taXQNho3WyE

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 January 2022 23:03 (four years ago)

That Bad Moon Rising remix is unforgivable

There's A Goots In My House (stevie), Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:05 (four years ago)

two years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L02gl9YoSFg

trm (tombotomod), Saturday, 14 December 2024 17:13 (one year ago)


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