"Starship Troopers" - Verhoeven is a mad genius!

Message Bookmarked

Bookmark Removed

Not all messages are displayed: show all messages (381 of them)

Where did I say that "black people shouldn't be offended by getting called 'water buffalo'"? [...] To say that incident wasn't serious is hardly the same thing.

Sorry, but that just doesn't compute.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 1 December 2005 20:45 (eighteen years ago) link

maybe he meant it isnt serious when black people are offended by racist taunts

― oooh, Thursday, 1 December 2005 20:48 (eighteen years ago) link

for tru satire
please visit last action hero

― styler, Thursday, 1 December 2005 20:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, come on. Sorry if I'm not being clear. Everyone has a right to be offended. If you are offended, who am I to say you're not offended? I just meant that, per my earlier post, I had never heard of anyone being called a water buffalo before, and have never since. I don't know how serious a racial epithet it is, considering it would never occur to me that it even *was* a racial epithet. But I'm all for apologies: show me a place where it has been used as such before said incident or after (and not a reference to said incident), and I will be all (more) apologies.

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Thursday, 1 December 2005 20:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I really, really am sorry for even implying that no one should be offended by that term. It's just what I wrote, I think, is a far enough cry from what Dan said I wrote that, er, *I* was offended.

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Thursday, 1 December 2005 20:51 (eighteen years ago) link

See, this was exactly my point on the other thread! The kid basically defended himself by saying that "water buffalo" isn't technically a racial slur and he just meant it as a generalized insult -- even though everyone on earth (especially the targets), knew he was using it in exactly the same way as a racial slur. That's what made the whole thing so vexing. That smug little bastard managed to invent a racial slur that did all the work of a racial slur but still had some kind of "plausible" deniability around it.

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 1 December 2005 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link

okay what does this have to do with bug sci fi

― gear (gear), Thursday, 1 December 2005 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Nothing. Dan invoked it here, invalidating my take on "Starship Troopers" because of something I mentioned on a completely unrelated thread.

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Thursday, 1 December 2005 20:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I dunno. All I know is, I was disappointed that Bug Jack Barron did not feature any actual bugs.

― k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 1 December 2005 20:59 (eighteen years ago) link

The point being made here is that "water buffalo" does not have to be a commonly-used racial epithet with thousands of years of precedent for it to qualify as a racial epithet in the original 1993 situation at Penn and your insistence upon having proof of its offensive lineage is kind of perplexing and casts a gigantic amount of doubt on your ability to infer from subtext in other contexts, like when talking about the meaning of "Starship Troopers".

― Dan (My Point Was Never That You Are A Racist, Just That You Can't Reason Very W, Thursday, 1 December 2005 20:59 (eighteen years ago) link

This thread has made me decide that Starship Troopers actually sucks. Not just the movie, everything to do with it. The tabletop wargame, the novel, Buenos Aires, asteroids, bugs, all of it. It all sucks and I hate it. Completely.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 1 December 2005 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link

In fact I think that term does have a lineage as such, going back thousands of years, if not more.

― k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 1 December 2005 21:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Dan, you don't need to call me dumb, either. I was just upset you implied I was a racist - which you think I misconstrued. And (to conflate the two), to doubt my "ability to infer from subtext in other contexts" basically further implies I am too stupid to be racist. Which is fine, if that's the way you think. Anyway, you're right. Go about your business. I'm going to go take my daughter to the indoor park.

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Thursday, 1 December 2005 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Have fun!

― Dan (Seriously) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 1 December 2005 21:12 (eighteen years ago) link

But Tom! without the novel, there'd be no X-Com!

or Aliens!

― kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 1 December 2005 21:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Fuck all that shit, all of it sucks. The future, with aliens, all of that shit is a bunch of crap. As soon as we unpack after the move I'm going to rewatch Gundam 1978 and forget all this crap ever happened. Heinlein was a reactionary idiot fuckhead and a looney tunes. Screw Aliens, the first one was better. I'm not even going to play StarCraft anymore. So pissed off.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 1 December 2005 21:24 (eighteen years ago) link

What's your opinion of Martian Successor Nadesico? and its whole postmodern giant robot pilot/fan?

― kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 1 December 2005 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not even going to play StarCraft anymore.

:-(

― Dan (What Have I Done?) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 1 December 2005 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Holy Christ Ally that's exactly my point: nobody on this thread is saying this is fucking Dostoevsky! The most anyone has said on here is that's is a pretty clever aesthetic trick that reflects really interestingly on our actual real-world aesthetics about war! The way you guys are going on you'd think someone up in this thread was trying to nominate Verhoeven for a Nobel Prize.

There's weird cross-talk going on here, too, where everyone agrees. To wit: "Fascism is action" -- this is basically the jumping-off point for half of what this movie is playing with!

-- nabisco (--...), December 1st, 2005.

OTFM. Nabisco OTM throughout the thead.

What is it about ILE film threads?

― latebloomer: The Corridor (Yes, The Corridor) (latebloomer), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:03 (eighteen years ago) link

What is it about ILE ~~film threads~~?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link

hahaha

― latebloomer: The Corridor (Yes, The Corridor) (latebloomer), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:21 (eighteen years ago) link

All ILE film threads are alike. All other types of threads degenerate into fites in their own fashion.

― k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:24 (eighteen years ago) link

what people are forgetting is that the film was done on the cusp of the gulf war---it actually manages to talk pretty well about the collusion of the MIC and Hollywood

― anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 2 December 2005 00:28 (eighteen years ago) link

what people are forgetting is that the film was done on the cusp of the gulf war---it actually manages to talk pretty well about the collusion of the MIC and Hollywood

How is 1997 the cusp of either Gulf War?

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Friday, 2 December 2005 00:46 (eighteen years ago) link

haha

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 2 December 2005 00:48 (eighteen years ago) link

so, would you guys want Verhoeven directing the Halo movie?

or Uwe Boll?

― kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 December 2005 07:31 (eighteen years ago) link

when the script was written, etc...

― anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 2 December 2005 07:51 (eighteen years ago) link

How could you satirize fascism with an action movie? Fascism is action, Leni Riefenstahl already provided the blueprint on how to shoot a blockbuster spectacle of beautiful Aryan heroes.

YOU IDIOT

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 2 December 2005 09:21 (eighteen years ago) link

this thread needed more dr morbius

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 2 December 2005 09:41 (eighteen years ago) link

YOU IDIOT

-- Theorry Henry (miltonpinsk...), December 2nd, 2005.

;-)

― latebloomer: The Corridor (Yes, The Corridor) (latebloomer), Friday, 2 December 2005 09:45 (eighteen years ago) link

i keep thinking of ren hoek!

http://www.bdt.com/david/images/rs003.jpg

― latebloomer: The Corridor (Yes, The Corridor) (latebloomer), Friday, 2 December 2005 09:46 (eighteen years ago) link

so, would you guys want Verhoeven directing the Halo movie?
or Uwe Boll?
-- kingfish hobo juckie (jdsalmo...), December 2nd, 2005. (later)

I'd watch it.

― Stone Monkey (Stone Monkey), Friday, 2 December 2005 11:47 (eighteen years ago) link

latebloomer otm!!!

― 'you' vs. 'radio gnome invisible 3' FITE (ex machina), Friday, 2 December 2005 12:39 (eighteen years ago) link

latebloomer otm!!!

http://ourworld.cs.com/WeezelX/rs/maybegood.jpg

HOW IS THE MAGIC BUTTON IN REN AND STIMPY EPISODE "SPACE MADNESS" A METAPHOR FOR THE COLD WAR? WHO DOES REN REPRESENT? DISCUS.

― 'you' vs. 'radio gnome invisible 3' FITE (ex machina), Friday, 2 December 2005 12:41 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.dividebyzero.net/mobeustrip/europa/space.jpg

― 'you' vs. 'radio gnome invisible 3' FITE (ex machina), Friday, 2 December 2005 12:42 (eighteen years ago) link

http://ourworld.cs.com/WeezelX/rs/bath.jpg

― 'you' vs. 'radio gnome invisible 3' FITE (ex machina), Friday, 2 December 2005 12:42 (eighteen years ago) link

http://renandstimpy.org/img/106_3.jpg

― 'you' vs. 'radio gnome invisible 3' FITE (ex machina), Friday, 2 December 2005 12:43 (eighteen years ago) link

LOOK FASCISM

http://renandstimpy.org/img/106_4.jpg

― 'you' vs. 'radio gnome invisible 3' FITE (ex machina), Friday, 2 December 2005 12:43 (eighteen years ago) link

http://renandstimpy.org/img/106_19.jpg

― 'you' vs. 'radio gnome invisible 3' FITE (ex machina), Friday, 2 December 2005 12:44 (eighteen years ago) link

http://brianclark44.home.comcast.net/black-ops-s.gif

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 2 December 2005 12:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Recommend important ("important"), mainstream, English-language, films from 1990 to the present

Starship Troopers
Big Lebowski
Fargo
Royal Tenenbaums
Suicide Kings
Rushmore
How High
Something About Mary
Zoolander
Dogma
Good Will Hunting

fuck xpost with a nairn nevermind.
Rush Hour
The Fifth Element

-- TOMBOT (brucewillisandbenstillercontroltheunivers...) (webmail), May 14th, 2004 12:10 PM. (link)

― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 15:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll second "How High"

― kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 16:01 (eighteen years ago) link

2004 SUMMER SESSION COURSES

POOP 514 USG OF "IMPRTNT" + "MNSTRM" FR MGMT MTWRF 0900-1700 INSTR: TOMBOT LOC: URANUS

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 13 December 2005 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

SELECT * FROM ilx WHERE USERNAM...OH FUCK IT

― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 16:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Rush Hour?

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Attn: Amateurist -- any memory of where the screenwriter of this talks about Puig and Kiss of the Spider Woman? I'm actually working on a thing related to this and could use the, umm, primary source. (I don't know why "my friend Amateurist" can't constitute a primary source.)

― nabiscothingy, Monday, 19 December 2005 19:53 (eighteen years ago) link

(Or wait, was it maybe on DVD commentary? Guess I'll re-rent along with the sequel.)

― nabiscothingy, Monday, 19 December 2005 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Rush Hour?

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 19 December 2005 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link

At the risk of repeating others, it is gobsmacking that one could see Starship Troopers and not recognise a clear, loud, in-your-face satire on the US military - and by extension, on Western foreign policy. It is a brilliant movie! Right up there with Team America.

― moley, Monday, 19 December 2005 20:45 (eighteen years ago) link

...

recognizing bludgeon-you-over-the-head satire and liking it or respecting it are vastly different things but let's not get into that again.

RUSH HOUR?

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 19 December 2005 20:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Skipping 281 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.