White, middle-class Guardian readers dissing the Guardian for being too white and middle class

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Is there any broadsheet that is better than the Guardian? If you were editor, how would you change the paper?

― guardian reader, Monday, 17 May 2004 11:12 (twenty-two years ago)

print it on black paper

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:14 (twenty-two years ago)

in black ink

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:15 (twenty-two years ago)

See also: Dead Ringers.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd make it tabloid sized and have more music & film stuff. Plus I'd hire Nick Southall to be music editor.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:15 (twenty-two years ago)

boobs on page 3

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:16 (twenty-two years ago)

ken c man

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Ban all features that include the phrases 'how we' or 'why we' in the heading. To be fair, it's not just the Guardian that does this.

By the way, I don't see anything wrong with white, middle-class readers dissing their paper for being too white and middle class.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:19 (twenty-two years ago)

dude, i'm not worthy.

i don't treat women with anywhere the kind of respect that c-man does.

xpost

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:20 (twenty-two years ago)

No more aspirational lifestyle bollocks that assumes you have a disposable income of 100K a year.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I read and like the Guardian and I don't have much problem with the fact that it is aimed towards left-leaning middle class people with middle class concerns.

I'm really, really bored of the way they treat tabloid subjects, though. Beckham or Jordan to something tabloidy, too tabloidy to report straight in a broadsheet, so the Guardian comes up with some sociological angle to sneak the story in the back door. "Posh does X - what does this say about the modern British woman?" I hate that.

― guardian reader, Monday, 17 May 2004 11:23 (twenty-two years ago)

In answer to your first question: the Telegraph.

― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 17 May 2004 11:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, ban all columnists without portfolio.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll wager that the Graun will not become tabloid.

― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:26 (twenty-two years ago)

The Telegraph's features are too Sloaney for me, the politics too right-wing. But the news reporting may well be better than the Guardian's.

― guardian reader, Monday, 17 May 2004 11:26 (twenty-two years ago)

As is the sports reporting.

― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 17 May 2004 11:27 (twenty-two years ago)

the Telegraph makes me sick

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:28 (twenty-two years ago)

It's OK.

I had no idea Marcello was into sport.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:30 (twenty-two years ago)

he's mysterious

― chris (chris), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:33 (twenty-two years ago)

You ain't gonna know me 'cos you think you know me.

― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 17 May 2004 11:34 (twenty-two years ago)

very mysterious

― chris (chris), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:35 (twenty-two years ago)

we ask what is his problem with man? no he asks us what is man's problem with him

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:36 (twenty-two years ago)

They need someone decent to fill Burchill's shoes as court fool.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Also I have no problems with the Telegraph's politics as I am steadily becoming more right wing with every new day.

― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 17 May 2004 11:40 (twenty-two years ago)

...a stance in which ILx has lately played a major part.

― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 17 May 2004 11:41 (twenty-two years ago)

oh yeah, how so marcello?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:42 (twenty-two years ago)

i haven't taken a bath for months

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

do you read the independent steve?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:44 (twenty-two years ago)

no, i hate all the papers, like you

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:45 (twenty-two years ago)

the observer is so flimsy it might as well be made of marshmellow

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes but look who writes for the Telegraph, oh oiks:

http://userpic.livejournal.com/7567523/634986

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:46 (twenty-two years ago)

just the Daily Mail for people that like to appear more sofistimacated then

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)

They need to stop sitting on the fence is all, sack Aaronovitch, and Russbridger should hand over after the next election.

Telegraph has better film coverage.

― Henry K M (Enrique), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Marshmallow is not actually flimsy. In fact it's quite durable.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, Boris Johnson writes for the Telegraph. Shock horror.

I'd much rather him than a hypocritical right-wing twat like Aaronovitch. At least he doesn't pretend to be anything other than what he is, politically.

― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 17 May 2004 11:51 (twenty-two years ago)

The Guardian would undoubtably be more readable if it had more articles on badgers wouldn't you say. Boris Johnson likes badgers I've heard, probably plenty of badgers in the telegraph.

― Frank Swedehead, Monday, 17 May 2004 11:51 (twenty-two years ago)

...although their music coverage could do with a bit of beefing up, admittedly.

― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 17 May 2004 11:52 (twenty-two years ago)

pick me coach!

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I would remove the "what are the kids up to" articles from the Guardian, or at least alter them slightly and use less precocious kids. I've said this before at least ten times, on ILX, though.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

We have done this thread gazillions of times. I still stand by what I've said in most of them - The Guardian irritates the hell out of me but is also the best paper for me to read.

― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't seen the latest Boris column actually, sodding registration only Telegraph website.

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 17 May 2004 11:59 (twenty-two years ago)

hahah i'm thinking of doing that with my blog!

oh yes, btw how have we managed to get this far without the customary kicking of the petridish?

(yes i know it's gratuitous, but some people can't get enough kicks)

― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 17 May 2004 12:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Because no matter how bad he is, Neil McCormick is worse.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:03 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a close call.

― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 17 May 2004 12:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Alright then, I'll bite (having not read him for ages) - why is he so bad, eh?

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:06 (twenty-two years ago)

"Here comes Mr. Poe with his raven, like Barnaby Rudge; three-fifths of him genius, and two-fifths sheer fudge."

― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 17 May 2004 12:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Genius + fudge sounds grebt. Anyone else?

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I only read black working class newspapers

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:20 (twenty-two years ago)

what, like the Bellshill Speaker?

― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 17 May 2004 12:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I was thinking more of the Paisley Daily Express

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:27 (twenty-two years ago)

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wonder how he's getting on

― blueski, Thursday, 22 May 2008 15:22 (eighteen years ago)

Who dat?

― Tom D., Thursday, 22 May 2008 15:28 (eighteen years ago)

laxalt

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 22 May 2008 15:29 (eighteen years ago)

Cheerfully optimistic as ever, spring in step, glint in eye, whistle on breath

― Tom D., Thursday, 22 May 2008 15:29 (eighteen years ago)

Not the Guardian but it might as well go here. They had to scrape me off the ceiling of the train after I read this yesterday. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article3971850.ece

― Thomas, Thursday, 22 May 2008 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

Hey we set up a "lol The Times" thread for them kinds of challops.

― Noodle Vague, Thursday, 22 May 2008 16:23 (eighteen years ago)

oh yeah, fuck. how did I miss that? it was only last month.

meet yer there.

― Thomas, Thursday, 22 May 2008 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

i thought blueski was referring to max gogarty's adventures in thailand

― braveclub, Friday, 23 May 2008 11:23 (eighteen years ago)

yes

― blueski, Friday, 23 May 2008 11:25 (eighteen years ago)

Jamie Whyte is kind of the Geir Hongro of Times columnists.

― Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 23 May 2008 11:29 (eighteen years ago)

Although fair's fair, he was great when he was in Jamie Whyte and the Blacks.

― Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 23 May 2008 11:29 (eighteen years ago)

nine months pass...

'The tenderness of the delicate American buttock'

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 February 2009 20:48 (seventeen years ago)

two months pass...

max gogarty II: beyond thunderdome

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/apr/27/tom-meltzer-moving-family

― joe, Monday, 27 April 2009 16:25 (seventeen years ago)

I have moved to Wimbledon in south London. Not the nice part with tennis courts and strawberries and hats. The dilapidated part where the air tastes of fried chicken.

I grew up in this location, it is not dilapidated at all. also, fried chicken is delicious.

― What an ego stroke that would be! (stevie), Monday, 27 April 2009 16:32 (seventeen years ago)

lol he's an aspiring stand-up

http://www.myspace.com/thetommeltzer

― joe, Monday, 27 April 2009 16:47 (seventeen years ago)

Is he aware that fried chicken is not a sensible reference when describing black neighbourhoods?

― Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 27 April 2009 16:57 (seventeen years ago)

Less than a minute's walk from the door of my new flat are a job centre, a wine warehouse and a gun shop. Perfect for those mornings when you wake up and think, "I need a job, a hunting rifle and a minimum of 12 bottles of wine."

Less than a minute's walk from the door of my new flat are a hardware store, a newsagent and a chemist. Perfect for those mornings when you wake up and think, "I need some sandpaper, some porn and some prescription drugs."

Right? Right?

― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Monday, 27 April 2009 17:12 (seventeen years ago)

why is dubdubdub always the first commenter?

― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Monday, 27 April 2009 17:19 (seventeen years ago)

I am smart and stopped reading this immediately upon seeing that it was a page dedicated to a 21-year-old blethering on about leaving home.

I am stupid and actually bought The Guardian that it's in.

I am smart and only paid 30p for it.

And so on.

― Ralph, Waldo, Emerson, Lake & Palmer (Merdeyeux), Monday, 27 April 2009 17:44 (seventeen years ago)

I like to fart and I am crazy.

And so on.

― admin log special guest star (DG), Monday, 27 April 2009 17:58 (seventeen years ago)

four months pass...

yeah, two guardian thread revives at once, but serparate issues are in play.

welcome to

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/sep/17/tom-meltzer-diary-work-experience

max gogarty 2: the gogartying.

― history mayne, Thursday, 17 September 2009 10:51 (sixteen years ago)

At least Max didn't die on his arse in vain

― Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 September 2009 10:59 (sixteen years ago)

Pretty sure the Graun puts these things on the site deliberately nowadays just as hit-fishing.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 17 September 2009 11:08 (sixteen years ago)

first column of his i've actually read rather than going 'ararhghghgh' at the title and skipping on

― thomp, Thursday, 17 September 2009 11:24 (sixteen years ago)

Obviously an arsehole feeding frenzy for the most part but this comment is so otm they should just close the thread with it:

The problem with this article is that those who liked the old ones will think it's unnecessary, those who publicly disliked them will never be converted, and those that didn't read them are probably just feeling alienated.

― Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:05 (sixteen years ago)

i dunno: to be honest i think that column's pretty well-executed. i think commissioning it was a silly idea, but oh well. i wish tom meltzer luck, and hope he manages to go on to things which are slightly less pointless than a one-column column in G2.

― thomp, Thursday, 17 September 2009 20:19 (sixteen years ago)

six years pass...

i am apparently going to meet m4x g0g4rty tomorrow

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 12 January 2016 16:12 (ten years ago)

To discuss Ch3m$3x?

― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Tuesday, 12 January 2016 16:40 (ten years ago)

two years pass...

I occasionally wonder what Max Gogarty is up to these days and wouldn't you know...

Interesting. Someone who resigned from VICE —after women were INVITED to air concerns about him to a manager now on their "female advisory board"— is currently a BBC commissioner. We were told it was a confidential process. It wasn't + he holds grudges 🙂https://t.co/T1lBxHmC2w
— Joanna Fuertes (@FUERTESKNIGHT) January 30, 2018

fuck it, it's Max Gogarty, Executive Editor of BBC Three https://t.co/ldbVpzJQYB
— Joanna Fuertes (@FUERTESKNIGHT) January 30, 2018

I never cease to be amazed how easy it is to fall upwards in this country if you have the right connections.

― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 12:47 (eight years ago)

I've had 4 or 5 goes at writing a response that wasn't me screaming at the screen and this country but I can't do it to myself tbh

― bizarrer Gandhara (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 12:59 (eight years ago)

cool that the living embodiment of the concept of the failson can go on to enjoy a career as a sexually predatory nathan barley despite the top google searches for his name clearly demonstrating what a waste of skin he is

― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 13:12 (eight years ago)

http://cphtvfestival.dk/_files/_database/database51/Max283x377.jpg
https://a.ltrbxd.com/resized/sm/upload/1q/in/e6/1h/eraserhead-1200-1200-675-675-crop-000000.jpg?k=314b611329

― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 13:13 (eight years ago)

I love our post-class modern society, I can be anything I set my mind to

― bizarrer Gandhara (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 13:14 (eight years ago)

'dad i wanna be sexually inappropriate with co-workers'

'hold on son i'll get my contacts book'

― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 13:15 (eight years ago)

I don't know why The Guardian has canned the blog. It would have been a must read for me, if only for the comments.
― Ned Trifle II, Monday, 18 February 2008 12:29 (nine years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I expect Max canned it himself. Already, for years to come prospective employers are going to google him up only to find him excoriated on hundreds of blogs, forums and suchlike...
― Zelda Zonk, Monday, 18 February 2008 12:50 (nine years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
not really a problem for a budding journalist, surely?
― darraghmac, Monday, 18 February 2008 12:53 (nine years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Wise words from yer man at the end there.

― Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 13:28 (eight years ago)

Wow, just coming up to the 10th anniversary too. Max Gogarty day is going to be big this year

― But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 13:41 (eight years ago)

Lol, I'd forgotten, but the very first comment on the original Gogarty piece was a couple of good faith tips about things to do in thailand, oblivious to the storm incoming

― But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 13:47 (eight years ago)

perhaps only the beatles achieved more in just one decade

― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 13:47 (eight years ago)

There was Bowie's run from Space Oddity to Scary Monsters

― But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:01 (eight years ago)

Shakespeare's mid 1590s to mid 1600s were, perhaps, equivalently fecund

― But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:02 (eight years ago)

The conquests of Alexander, one feels, are comparable

― But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:03 (eight years ago)

wonder if Max Gogarty is weeping even now

― bizarrer Gandhara (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:04 (eight years ago)

xp he went to india too lol

― But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:04 (eight years ago)

Idly wondering if he disclosed his reasons for leaving Vice in his BBC interview.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:07 (eight years ago)

mainly i'm just psyched to find out where he'll fail to after he gets booted from the bbc

by 2020 he'll be an oscar-winner probably

― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:09 (eight years ago)

Choice quote from gogarty sr at the time iirc "oh I barely write for the guardian at all really"

― Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:12 (eight years ago)

neither did his son

― bizarrer Gandhara (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:16 (eight years ago)

barely anyone wrote for the guardian at the time but everyone who did went on to start a media career of their own iirc

― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:19 (eight years ago)

I'd make it tabloid sized and have more music & film stuff. Plus I'd hire Nick Southall to be music editor.

Two of these things have happened I think?

― Grandpont Genie, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:26 (eight years ago)

congrats to nick, v well deserved

― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:27 (eight years ago)

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