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@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:35 (12 years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:36 (12 years ago) Permalink

I live on Oakland Walk.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:36 (12 years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:37 (12 years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:37 (12 years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:38 (12 years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:39 (12 years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:40 (12 years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:41 (12 years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:42 (12 years ago) Permalink

Bubb Rubb and L'il Siss to thread.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:42 (12 years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:43 (12 years ago) Permalink

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:44 (12 years ago) Permalink

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:45 (12 years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:45 (12 years ago) Permalink

So @d@ml, you will be showing Gareth around Oakland I trust.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:45 (12 years ago) Permalink

Nah. He can just read this thread.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:45 (12 years ago) Permalink

Kris (aqueduct), Monday, 3 May 2004 15:05 (12 years ago) Permalink

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 3 May 2004 15:52 (12 years ago) Permalink

Kris (aqueduct), Monday, 3 May 2004 15:58 (12 years ago) Permalink

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:02 (12 years ago) Permalink

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:03 (12 years ago) Permalink

Apropos of nothing in particular, gygax!, did you enjoy B&S on Friday?

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:05 (12 years ago) Permalink

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:13 (12 years ago) Permalink

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:47 (12 years ago) Permalink

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:51 (12 years ago) Permalink

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:53 (12 years ago) Permalink

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:58 (12 years ago) Permalink

this guy's coming to get me

JaXoN (JasonD), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:59 (12 years ago) Permalink

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:03 (12 years ago) Permalink

waxyjax (waxyjax), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:06 (12 years ago) Permalink

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:07 (12 years ago) Permalink

Southern belle gentility in Oakland. Who knew?

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:08 (12 years ago) Permalink

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:13 (12 years ago) Permalink

Dunsmuir House. It's owned by the Oakland Parks Dept.

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:26 (12 years ago) Permalink

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:27 (12 years ago) Permalink

Spencer...what is that in your third post?

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:27 (12 years ago) Permalink

You can now tour the port of oakland by boat.

www.portofoakland.com

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:28 (12 years ago) Permalink

Mormon temple in the hills.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:28 (12 years ago) Permalink

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:32 (12 years ago) Permalink

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:35 (12 years ago) Permalink

JUICY GOTCHA KRAZY!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:37 (12 years ago) Permalink

Spencer, did you know that Fenton's burned down? My XGF lives right by there and we heard the sirens one night and the cops were there taking the manager and 2 workers away in cuffs in the parking lot while the place erupted in flames despite several firetrucks on the scene (must have been gasoline).

The employees had a rental truck filled with the safe and the jukebox (?).

It reopened after a year but I never went back.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:43 (12 years ago) Permalink

wow! I had no idea. when did this happen???

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 18:38 (12 years ago) Permalink

mmmm... summer 2002-ish.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 May 2004 18:42 (12 years ago) Permalink

actually, just looked it up. November of '01 and reopened in '03

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 18:44 (12 years ago) Permalink

haha, so much for my memory.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 May 2004 18:44 (12 years ago) Permalink

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 20:25 (12 years ago) Permalink

I will be at Oakland airport Sunday morning for two hours close to 10am. Anyone wanna come over and have breakfast with me?

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:38 (12 years ago) Permalink

Dear Oakland,

I fly to you tomorrow. I am excited about seeing you and your lovely weather. What shall I do with you? Eating and outdoorsy stuff (on the cheap) are priorities.

quincie, Monday, 23 September 2013 00:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Yet another "Hey fellow white ppl, Oakland is cool!" article

http://blogs.kqed.org/pop/2013/11/19/a-san-franciscans-guide-to-living-in-oakland/

sarahell, Wednesday, 20 November 2013 02:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://oaklandlocal.com/2013/11/oaklanders-respond-to-controversial-kqed-blog-post-opinion/

an article about the response to the Oakland is cool article

sarahell, Monday, 25 November 2013 06:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

A google bus just headed southbound on market street at 55th, shit is getting real.

"Turkey In The Straw" coming from someplace in the clouds (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 30 January 2014 02:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

gentrification comedy

^ enlightening post (sarahell), Thursday, 30 January 2014 02:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

I know there are homeless people and drug dealers and prostitutes in Oakland, and I know she's trying to humanize them and encourage others to do the same, but the effect of her words is basically the opposite, and she mischaracterizes Oakland the way the out-of-towners and Temescal/Rockridge people do (and that region is the district of the council member's office she works for, and with that in mind it seems gentrification was the word of the day.).

A lot of her suggestions are nice, but gentrification is a legal/structural problem, and it won't be solved or slowed through mindful behavior. No one is going to open their vanity business and do it mindfully, and even if they somehow manage to in their enterprising white liberal way, you've still got yet another white-owned vanity business in Temescal or wherever, and the property owner is still getting a nice chunk of rent and the values of that property and the surrounding properties are still gonna go up.

That Lost Weekend "comedy" is terrible.

bamcquern, Monday, 3 February 2014 08:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

Her good intentions make me feel moderately guilty for laughing at things like:

4. Pay your taxes, parking tickets and fines with the pleasure of knowing you are financially helping a beautiful, but struggling city. Be grateful if you are able pay them without too much difficulty.

sarahell, Monday, 3 February 2014 08:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

I know. The commenters are 80 times more terrible than she is. She's probably not terrible at all.

bamcquern, Monday, 3 February 2014 08:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh I didn't read the comments. my other "favorite" was:

8. See all of Oakland’s problems as opportunities for growth, creative problem solving, and entrepreneurship. Refuse to complain about a problem unless you are willing to play an active part in the solution.

sarahell, Monday, 3 February 2014 08:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

though some of the commenters are somewhat funny, like:
" If I want to start a boutique cat massage salon right next to your 50 year old business, and employ it with rich, white 20-something hipsters, I’ll do just that. And I’ll do it without an ounce of shame."

sarahell, Monday, 3 February 2014 08:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

jesus I put quotes around comedy and now I feel like Whiney ptuh ptuh get it off

bamcquern, Monday, 3 February 2014 09:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

geez I got through about half the comments and had one of those "why am I doing this to myself?" moments of clarity

sarahell, Monday, 3 February 2014 09:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

This has made the rounds over the weekend. I think you can call this "how to be a better neighbor" without using the gentrifier tag at all.

I mean, I never hassled any of the dealers who would park in front of my house all day, nor the occupants of the crackhouse next door. They all were more or less friendly people... but that doesn't mean I didn't want them gone, because of the health and safety dimension that their presence represented. So when the house was sold, gutted, rehabbed and rented, and those characters disappeared I don't really look at that as a net loss.

I guess I feel a little touchy about the gentrification tag. I moved from a rental in Adams Point to buying a house in the North Oakland birthplace of the Black Panthers. We did so because we knew we had a very small window in which we could afford a house in the bay area and wanted to find a residence/location that was at least going to hit some of the things we were after, and this was the place.

In the 3 years we've been there our street hasn't changed a lot but the progression of white hipsters to white hipsters with dogs to white couples with kids has been steady and growing. So I guess as one of those whites I don't know quite where my culpability lies with the gentrification question, but I can at least claim to be a reasonably good neighbor, and my neighbors themselves have all been cool with us, I think.

"Turkey In The Straw" coming from someplace in the clouds (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 3 February 2014 16:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Good comments section on this one:

http://gigaom.com/2014/02/17/some-day-silicon-valley-will-move-north-heres-why-it-should-settle-in-oakland/

polyphonic, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 19:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

yes i chuckled yesterday imagining the reception out West

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 May 2014 21:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...
11 months pass...

RIP Dorsey's Locker and Art's Crab Shak!

http://insidescoopsf.sfgate.com/blog/2015/05/06/two-old-school-oakland-restaurants-shutting-down/

polyphonic, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 22:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

I've only been to the entrance/bar side of Dorsey's locker, but Art's was great. Well, the food was decent and heavy and gut-busting, but the atmosphere - the wood paneling and booths and lighting and music - was great.

bamcquern, Thursday, 7 May 2015 05:02 (11 months ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

they had been talking about putting a market hall in on the ground floor there, but this sounds like they won't. that's a real bummer.

wmlynch, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 03:12 (7 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Room available: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/roo/5308220625.html

polyphonic, Friday, 13 November 2015 23:22 (5 months ago) Permalink

do you live there?

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 13 November 2015 23:48 (5 months ago) Permalink

I'm sorry, I will never not find the "they" thing ridiculous

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 November 2015 23:49 (5 months ago) Permalink

nah, i just got a kick out of the ad :[

polyphonic, Friday, 13 November 2015 23:53 (5 months ago) Permalink

I was wondering because they are literally my neighbors. They're very nice people and the ad is 100% accurate.

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 13 November 2015 23:57 (5 months ago) Permalink

I'm sorry, I will never not find the "they" thing ridiculous

im with you but also A) who cares? let ppl be called whatever they want and B) we are old and antiquated.

kurt schwitterz, Friday, 13 November 2015 23:57 (5 months ago) Permalink

my apology to your neighbors, i'm sure they're nice people

polyphonic, Saturday, 14 November 2015 00:03 (5 months ago) Permalink

that was a weird shrinking of the world just there

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 14 November 2015 00:05 (5 months ago) Permalink

yeah, I know I don't really care - unless I have to engage them in conversation and then I trip over my words and verb-noun agreements or remember to say things like "shiz"

xxp

Οὖτις, Saturday, 14 November 2015 00:05 (5 months ago) Permalink

Singular "they" is fine, but that ad is embarrassing, and the hippy punks who participate in these rental cooperatives usually seem pretty clueless to me. I interviewed with one (a hippy punk who belonged to a cooperative) for about an hour or so, and it was admirable, albeit in a white savior way, that she was leaning towards any poc single mothers who might apply, but she didn't see the implications of asking a single mother to share food, especially since the food she (the hippy punk) contributed was just bread and pastries donated from businesses and/or fished from dumpsters.

The reason why these cooperatives are usually homogeneous with regard to class and social background is because the binding agent of these households is lifestyle and shared cultural experiences, not social justice. I've read a couple of sociological papers about cooperatives - one a case study and the other a more general overview - and they suggest that more heterogeneous mixes lead to confusion, mistrust, and dissolution.

In one (Davis, CA?) co-op, one plant of three was dedicated to small low income families, especially single mothers, while the other two plants were composed of the mostly white, college-educated, middle class people you usually would expect at such an endeavor. The plant for small families was rife with structural problems, and there were significant cultural differences in regard to what should be the reaction to those problems (holes in walls, leaking ceiling, etc.). The low income people who lived there thought these problems were a big deal; the middle class people who didn't thought it wasn't a big deal. While the single-occupant people in the other plants might have had similar problems (although the building and renovation history of the three plants suggests that they didn't), they have different reactions to risk, most likely because they don't face the housing insecurity that the low income families do. If their room leaks? Big deal. They can move to market rate housing, and a survey showed that they weren't at the coop for its low cost, but ostensibly for the values attached to living there. The low income families, however, needed the below market rate housing that the coop provided.

In addition to differing perceptions of risk, the people on the board and belonging to other governing structures of the coop didn't see themselves as authority figures, which led to a lot of conflicts with the low income families who clearly saw them as such. The two groups also had very different communication norms for conflict resolution, and the expectation was that the low income families would conform their communication style to the norms of the middle class single-occupant people.

tl;dr coops are usually kinda dumb vanity projects

bamcquern, Saturday, 14 November 2015 00:33 (5 months ago) Permalink

think you could've chosen a better word than 'ridiculous'? maybe a word that's a bit less condescending? especially when it's YOUR problem that you don't know how to be thoughtful or articulate when talking about someone who is genderqueer.

a lot of commune-activist stuff sounds like a pose to me, but that ad makes those people sound super genuine and really nice. not my scene, but nothing wrong with people trying to make a community a better place for everyone.

just1n3, Saturday, 14 November 2015 00:39 (5 months ago) Permalink

just1n3 otm

kurt schwitterz, Saturday, 14 November 2015 00:42 (5 months ago) Permalink

^^^ yes

brimstead, Saturday, 14 November 2015 00:44 (5 months ago) Permalink

xxp bryce otm. Also, Whiney would have a field day with all the impressively stereotypical lifestyle signifiers

sarahell, Saturday, 14 November 2015 01:21 (5 months ago) Permalink

Honestly, fuck those people so much. As a local and resident of that same neighborhood for over 30 years, their whole philosophy is condescending nonsense that is actually pretty harmful. You can't participate in the hyper-gentrification that's taken place in the area, then pretend to give two shits about the people and local culture you helped displace to the same suburban hell you escaped from. Owning your privilege and status as a racist and inviting a single mother of color who probably grew up in the neighborhood, to come join their vanity project/social experiment to absolve themselves of guilt is simple-minded at best and grossly insulting at its worst.

Cousin Slappy, Saturday, 14 November 2015 02:39 (5 months ago) Permalink

^^^

j. winters (josh), Saturday, 14 November 2015 03:06 (5 months ago) Permalink

The ppl with the ad didn't invite any single mothers to join their co-op. It pains me to hear someone say "fuck these people so much." They're very sweet kids.

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 14 November 2015 06:28 (5 months ago) Permalink

The road to hell was paved with good intentions.

The listing mentions that they're interested in their role in power, anti-racist struggles, privilege and oppression pretty early on and they pride themselves on their participation in local activism. Their preemptive apology to minority applicants better damn well include single mothers if they're as concerned about these issues as they claim. Otherwise, the entire thing comes off as some really distasteful posing.

Cousin Slappy, Saturday, 14 November 2015 06:56 (5 months ago) Permalink

whatever. I don't care to argue with you. I hope we are friends should we ever meet.

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 14 November 2015 07:01 (5 months ago) Permalink

I know 2 of these people.

hunangarage, Saturday, 14 November 2015 07:06 (5 months ago) Permalink

One is a carpenter and another works with prisoners and there are seven ppl in one house - not exactly tech assholes busting down historic neighborhoods and destroying communities.

I wish I was the kind of person, like these people, with the guts and character to actually be attempting to effect positive change in a city.

just1n3, Saturday, 14 November 2015 14:31 (5 months ago) Permalink

Geez, from my limited experience (18 years in Oakland), that neighborhood, and North Oakland in general, is the most politically sensitive spot in the city. The panthers had a base there, then Bey and the black muslims ... If their co-op were in Adams Point or the Laurel or Jingletown, I feel like it wouldn't provoke the same reaction from longer term residents like Cousin Slappy.

sarahell, Saturday, 14 November 2015 20:13 (5 months ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

from the article above:
Aside from the food program, which lowers the cost of groceries, Standish and Provan said residents also get access to appliances and facilities uncommon in shared apartments — at Euclid Manor those include West Elm furnishings, a grand piano, a Vitamix and a cafe-grade coffee machine. The Canopy has a soundstage, a woodworking studio, and large living rooms with projectors and musical instruments.

But what tenants are really paying for is the "community," Standish said. "Living as family, basically."

sarahell, Friday, 18 March 2016 17:39 (1 month ago) Permalink

Also Bryce, if you are reading this, I hope you had a good birthday. Sorry I missed it.

sarahell, Friday, 18 March 2016 17:40 (1 month ago) Permalink

It's ok. I wanted to go to the quilt show, but there was no time after work. Even got to dinner a little late.

We'll do early April after I finish PACT.

bamcquern, Friday, 18 March 2016 18:09 (1 month ago) Permalink

My theory is that housing co-ops are usually about creating a simulacra of the traditional family unit, with attendant factional squabbling, board game nights, family dinners, and authority figures (eg board of directors, "house mom," the lease holder, etc.).

bamcquern, Friday, 18 March 2016 18:15 (1 month ago) Permalink


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