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@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:36 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I live on Oakland Walk.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:36 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Bubb Rubb and L'il Siss to thread.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

So @d@ml, you will be showing Gareth around Oakland I trust.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Nah. He can just read this thread.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Kris (aqueduct), Monday, 3 May 2004 15:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 3 May 2004 15:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Kris (aqueduct), Monday, 3 May 2004 15:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Apropos of nothing in particular, gygax!, did you enjoy B&S on Friday?

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

this guy's coming to get me

JaXoN (JasonD), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

waxyjax (waxyjax), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Southern belle gentility in Oakland. Who knew?

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Dunsmuir House. It's owned by the Oakland Parks Dept.

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Spencer...what is that in your third post?

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

You can now tour the port of oakland by boat.

www.portofoakland.com

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Mormon temple in the hills.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

JUICY GOTCHA KRAZY!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Spencer, did you know that Fenton's burned down? My XGF lives right by there and we heard the sirens one night and the cops were there taking the manager and 2 workers away in cuffs in the parking lot while the place erupted in flames despite several firetrucks on the scene (must have been gasoline).

The employees had a rental truck filled with the safe and the jukebox (?).

It reopened after a year but I never went back.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

wow! I had no idea. when did this happen???

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 18:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

mmmm... summer 2002-ish.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 May 2004 18:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

actually, just looked it up. November of '01 and reopened in '03

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 18:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

haha, so much for my memory.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 May 2004 18:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 20:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I will be at Oakland airport Sunday morning for two hours close to 10am. Anyone wanna come over and have breakfast with me?

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i'm always impressed with this guy's reporting: https://twitter.com/Darwinbondgraha . he might be interested in talking to you...

wmlynch, Friday, 9 December 2016 22:24 (five months ago) Permalink

especially considering that we now know that the building inspection department hadn't been in there for more than 30 years and that the fire dept. didn't even have a record of the building in its inspection database.

wmlynch, Friday, 9 December 2016 22:26 (five months ago) Permalink

it didn't even get inspected after the 89 earthquake? that's really impressive.

sarahell, Friday, 9 December 2016 22:35 (five months ago) Permalink

well here's what the building dept said: "In terms of the planning and building inspector, our records didn't show that an inspector had been inside the building in 30 years. That means that we had no applications for permits in the past 30 years and there were no violations that were submitted for interior work within the main building that can be attributed to that street address," said Darin Ranelletti, Oakland Planning and Building Department. (abc)

which directly contradicts what was reported in the direct aftermath: "City records show that there were habitability complaints made against the property's owner as recently as November 14 regarding an "illegal interior building structure." City inspectors appear to have visited the building on that date, but were unable to verify whether there were code violations. The city's investigation was still pending when the fire broke out last night." (east bay express)

i guess it's possible those are two different departments being discussed. either way oakland's government fucked this up big time (then again, does any part of this city's government function properly?).

wmlynch, Friday, 9 December 2016 23:01 (five months ago) Permalink

most of the complaints were related to junk in the vacant lot next door. The illegal interior structure was either not investigated, or it was the case that the inspectors stopped by, no one answered the door, they couldn't check it out, they made a note in their file, and went on to their next appointment.

sarahell, Friday, 9 December 2016 23:04 (five months ago) Permalink

Very good one, that. Enjoyed this one as well:

http://ww2.kqed.org/arts/2016/12/08/chelsea-faith-dolan-peerless-electronic-musician-full-of-exuberant-joy/

Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 December 2016 23:21 (five months ago) Permalink

xxp ah of course, i remember reading that now.

wmlynch, Friday, 9 December 2016 23:26 (five months ago) Permalink

A friend/colleague told me he's involved with people organizing volunteer efforts to get various art/music/living spaces in the Bay Area up to code. I'm sure your firsthand accounts would be helpful in a lot of ways, Sarahell.

Fetchboy, Friday, 9 December 2016 23:42 (five months ago) Permalink

ilx messages to me actually work.

sarahell, Friday, 9 December 2016 23:51 (five months ago) Permalink

the using the fire for political pointmaking continues

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/12/oakland-ghost-ship-artists-warehouse-fire/

At the same time, artists don’t take up residence in warehouses out of a desire for communal living or an appreciation for deindustrial aesthetics.

who is this guy and why is he kinda talking out of his ass here.

sarahell, Saturday, 10 December 2016 07:56 (five months ago) Permalink

John Carl Baker is a Mellon-ACLS public fellow. He holds a PhD in cultural studies.

akm, Saturday, 10 December 2016 16:18 (five months ago) Permalink

he has STUDIED THIS academically!

akm, Saturday, 10 December 2016 16:18 (five months ago) Permalink

its not such a bad article but enough already anyway

akm, Saturday, 10 December 2016 16:20 (five months ago) Permalink

although maybe, not enough. I had a meeting with the CEO of my company yesterday; he's a good guy, smart, intelligent. But he had absolutely no idea people were living in warehouses. I told him I have at least one employee who lives in a place very similar to GhostShip who lost 4 friends in the fire. He was like 'why do they live there?" and I had a hard time getting across the long list of reasons why people choose to do this, smart or not. The main thing that resonated with him was that it was affordable.

akm, Saturday, 10 December 2016 16:22 (five months ago) Permalink

KQED is running a series of nice tributes to the deceased.

https://ww2.kqed.org/arts/programs/oakland-warehouse-memorial/

sarahell, Sunday, 11 December 2016 00:25 (five months ago) Permalink

Those have all been very lovely.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 11 December 2016 00:35 (five months ago) Permalink

Nice (if sometimes obvious in tone) overview story of the attendees as community

http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2016/12/10/oakland-fire-victims-a-family-of-connections-much-larger-than-nightlife/

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 11 December 2016 00:38 (five months ago) Permalink

I'm starting to feel more "normal" in that I can read and respond to things like this like a normal ilxor

http://www.factmag.com/2016/12/13/oakland-fire-ghost-ship-rave/

sarahell, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 20:43 (five months ago) Permalink

What is your response?

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 02:30 (five months ago) Permalink

mostly good, esp. re the term "rave" and the community in question.

however:
juncture and axis are used incorrectly
and why cite SRL in terms of the 80s influences when they just did the machines and spectacle and any music was done by others, like Monte Cazzaza (Factrix), already named. Re/Search was a publication -- not sure why they are listed also. It was like they wanted to have a list, and SRL and Re/Search were parts of that scene and have lasting influence, but it's worded in terms of music, and so it's sloppy. They probably should have added Negativland to that list of 80s things, though they are a bit dorky for some of those people, but they were cooler at the time.

sarahell, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 03:45 (five months ago) Permalink

Some of the details here just make it all worse. Clear institutional confusion at work:

http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2016/12/13/ghost-ship-fire-atf-to-address-oakland-inferno-that-killed-36/

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 18:48 (five months ago) Permalink

I thought I was going to read something that was actually surprising. None of this is surprising. This is normal. The small ratio of fire inspectors and building inspectors to buildings in Oakland is comparable to the police situation, where there are way fewer cops per capita than in most other cities. All of these things have allowed underground art and culture to flourish in Oakland for decades. Because the likelihood of getting busted is so low compared to other places, it is attractive to people. When some place does get busted it's an event. Sadly, I've gotta qualify that -- if some place that does not have a predominantly black audience and isn't doing hip-hop shows gets busted -- because in general, the major government concerns in Oakland about shows in illegal venues revolves around people getting shot.

sarahell, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 20:22 (five months ago) Permalink

so they are gonna focus on rap and hip-hop and flyers/event announcements that "look black"

sarahell, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 20:23 (five months ago) Permalink

Someone on facebook linked to the 4ch@n thread referenced here, and it was sickening. Truly staring into the alt-right abyss.
http://www.thefader.com/2016/12/13/ghost-ship-rhinoceropolis-bell-foundry-fire

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Thursday, 15 December 2016 17:22 (five months ago) Permalink

the Everett & Jones bbq people and the Salt Lick tenants have made up and are having a fire relief benefit featuring musicians affiliated with salt lick and fire victims at E&J this weekend. That one actually seems to be working itself out. I watched the press conference the E&J owner held, and it was very much like watching representatives of two significant cultures in Oakland talking past each other and saying insensitive things. Looks like it was a "teaching moment" for both groups.

sarahell, Thursday, 15 December 2016 18:53 (five months ago) Permalink

considering it's the end of the year and everyone is posting lists, if I write something about my experience running an "illegal" venue in Oakland, should I format it as a list? Top 10 dick moves by the City of Oakland? idk

sarahell, Thursday, 22 December 2016 20:31 (five months ago) Permalink

what about top 10 things that allowed me to keep my venue open for as long as I did?

Dominique, Thursday, 22 December 2016 20:33 (five months ago) Permalink

Most of the reason for writing it is to help the efforts of those advocating for improvements to "the system" and fighting the backlash against alternative spaces. Saying "here's how I got away with it for 7 1/2 years" might be at odds with the goal.

sarahell, Thursday, 22 December 2016 20:38 (five months ago) Permalink

7 1/2 years before the City gave us shit, then another 2 1/2 years trying to work with them before giving up.

sarahell, Thursday, 22 December 2016 20:38 (five months ago) Permalink

why can't you advocate for change while still talking about what you had to do keep your venue open? Just my two cents, but reading about what you had to go through to keep an important venue open in spite of the system, and eventually had to submit to, would be more helpful than only reading about what's broken (which I assume would be discussed quite a lot anyway in the midst of your story running 21G)

Dominique, Thursday, 22 December 2016 20:48 (five months ago) Permalink

i think it's a matter of tone and emphasis - it is possible to do both. I also don't want to sound totally self-serving.

sarahell, Thursday, 22 December 2016 20:52 (five months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

maybe better than melatonin

http://www2.oaklandnet.com/oakca1/groups/ceda/documents/pressrelease/oak062785.pdf

pages and pages of city documents related to the ghostship warehouse that will come up as evidence in the eventual court case

sarahell, Thursday, 9 February 2017 10:28 (three months ago) Permalink

Well that took forever.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 February 2017 20:07 (three months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Friday, 14 April 2017 02:16 (one month ago) Permalink

"Never mind the fires, it's safely whiter now!"

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 April 2017 03:03 (one month ago) Permalink

they've been saying this about Oakland for almost 20 years now.

sarahell, Friday, 14 April 2017 03:05 (one month ago) Permalink

wtf is that?

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 14 April 2017 03:19 (one month ago) Permalink

somewhere retarded where they still say 'frisco'

akm, Friday, 14 April 2017 04:45 (one month ago) Permalink

also, fail to understand what the flights to Gatwick have to do with anything preceding that bit of information.

akm, Friday, 14 April 2017 04:46 (one month ago) Permalink

also, unreal-beautiful lynch protoge and nu-twin peaks star Chrysta Bell apparently has moved to Oakland (and is playing a show wih david j next month) and has published this twaddle

http://bbook.com/nightlife/singer-twin-peaks-star-chrysta-bells-hip-guide-to-oakland/

akm, Friday, 14 April 2017 05:32 (one month ago) Permalink

Oakland is the most raw, exciting, brutal, depressing, vibrant and inspiring place I have ever lived. The plight of existence and the will to overcome adversity is everywhere. The duality of the organic ice cream shop next door to a tent community of homeless is commonplace. There are signs of life, death, struggle, survival, compassion and courage on every block. I have been undeniably enriched and expanded by my time living here.

I would be embarrassed to the point of move-out-of-town shame if I said this aloud, let alone agreed to put it in print

PURE, BEAUTIFUL OIL (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 14 April 2017 14:54 (one month ago) Permalink

I'd just wonder where else this person has lived.

sarahell, Friday, 14 April 2017 16:22 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah for real

PURE, BEAUTIFUL OIL (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 14 April 2017 17:18 (one month ago) Permalink

Sarahell how long have you been in Oakland

PURE, BEAUTIFUL OIL (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 14 April 2017 17:19 (one month ago) Permalink

it will be 20 years in November!

sarahell, Friday, 14 April 2017 17:24 (one month ago) Permalink

hey wow. It's strangely been over a decade for me now, hard to believe

PURE, BEAUTIFUL OIL (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 14 April 2017 17:47 (one month ago) Permalink

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/blacklisted-how-the-oakland-police-department-discriminates-against-rappers-and-music-venues/Content?oid=6482231

i was at that task force meeting, and of the 5 people of color there, 4 were representatives of City/County/State government agencies

sarahell, Wednesday, 26 April 2017 19:48 (one month ago) Permalink

i'm not sure what that implies

akm, Wednesday, 26 April 2017 19:55 (one month ago) Permalink


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