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@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:36 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I live on Oakland Walk.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:36 (twelve years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:41 (twelve years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Bubb Rubb and L'il Siss to thread.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

So @d@ml, you will be showing Gareth around Oakland I trust.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Nah. He can just read this thread.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Kris (aqueduct), Monday, 3 May 2004 15:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 3 May 2004 15:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Kris (aqueduct), Monday, 3 May 2004 15:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Apropos of nothing in particular, gygax!, did you enjoy B&S on Friday?

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:47 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:51 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

this guy's coming to get me

JaXoN (JasonD), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

waxyjax (waxyjax), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Southern belle gentility in Oakland. Who knew?

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Dunsmuir House. It's owned by the Oakland Parks Dept.

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:27 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Spencer...what is that in your third post?

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:27 (twelve years ago) Permalink

You can now tour the port of oakland by boat.

www.portofoakland.com

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Mormon temple in the hills.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

JUICY GOTCHA KRAZY!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Spencer, did you know that Fenton's burned down? My XGF lives right by there and we heard the sirens one night and the cops were there taking the manager and 2 workers away in cuffs in the parking lot while the place erupted in flames despite several firetrucks on the scene (must have been gasoline).

The employees had a rental truck filled with the safe and the jukebox (?).

It reopened after a year but I never went back.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

wow! I had no idea. when did this happen???

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 18:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

mmmm... summer 2002-ish.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 May 2004 18:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

actually, just looked it up. November of '01 and reopened in '03

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 18:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

haha, so much for my memory.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 May 2004 18:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 20:25 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I will be at Oakland airport Sunday morning for two hours close to 10am. Anyone wanna come over and have breakfast with me?

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It's ok. I wanted to go to the quilt show, but there was no time after work. Even got to dinner a little late.

We'll do early April after I finish PACT.

bamcquern, Friday, 18 March 2016 18:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

My theory is that housing co-ops are usually about creating a simulacra of the traditional family unit, with attendant factional squabbling, board game nights, family dinners, and authority figures (eg board of directors, "house mom," the lease holder, etc.).

bamcquern, Friday, 18 March 2016 18:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

have they posted the police chief job on craigslist yet?

wmlynch, Saturday, 18 June 2016 15:27 (five months ago) Permalink

whole thing is like a bad Ellroy novel

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 18 June 2016 17:54 (five months ago) Permalink

was going to start a thread about this. so fucked up.

assawoman bay (harbl), Saturday, 18 June 2016 18:04 (five months ago) Permalink

In the last eight days we've lost three nba finals games and three police chiefs

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Saturday, 18 June 2016 18:04 (five months ago) Permalink

thing is, you see shit like this go down & the only problem that gets "addressed" is the problem that is public, so they hack away at whoever's in the open while everything below ground stays exactly the way it is.

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 18 June 2016 18:12 (five months ago) Permalink

Maybe the only way to fire a cop in Oakland is to make em police chief first

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Saturday, 18 June 2016 18:14 (five months ago) Permalink

promote them all!

wmlynch, Saturday, 18 June 2016 18:55 (five months ago) Permalink

Reading through that twitter link, I tend to think that the mayor stepping down would not help this situation in any way. Call me naive, but I very much doubt she had any knowledge of any of this. Her initial mistake was backing Whent's 'personal reasons' line when it was obvious bullshit. I expect the way she handles the OPD from this point will determine her credibility. Calling out "toxic macho culture" is I think a positive for public dialogue, and civilian control of OPD is probably a good idea. However, as Veg says above, if it's a topical treatment it won't go far. I suppose we'll see.

Taking dumps on a person's car is something children do (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 19 June 2016 16:04 (five months ago) Permalink

five months pass...

Massive fire at a warehouse party. Up to forty feared dead.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/12/03/oakland-concert-fire-leaves-at-least-9-dead-dozens-missing/?utm_term=.fb80c55f9ada

I hope all Bay Area ilxors are accounted for.

never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Saturday, 3 December 2016 19:10 (yesterday) Permalink

jesus

a but (brimstead), Saturday, 3 December 2016 19:12 (yesterday) Permalink

Horrific

Rae Kwoniff (NickB), Saturday, 3 December 2016 19:15 (yesterday) Permalink

worried abt sarahell

sleeve, Saturday, 3 December 2016 19:42 (yesterday) Permalink

i have two friends missing, and am not optimistic at this point. they were wonderful, beautiful, talented and passionate young women who booked and promoted several shows for me and my band over the past few years. incredibly sad

akm, Saturday, 3 December 2016 19:42 (yesterday) Permalink

oh shit I didn't know sarah was on the missing list too

akm, Saturday, 3 December 2016 19:43 (yesterday) Permalink

she's OK

sleeve, Saturday, 3 December 2016 20:13 (yesterday) Permalink

Seeing other friends of friends on that main spreadsheet. Chilling.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 3 December 2016 20:15 (yesterday) Permalink

Glad to hear about sarahell being ok. Thoughts with everyone who is affected.

harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 3 December 2016 20:24 (yesterday) Permalink

I wasn't even at that show. Several of my friends are still "missing" - I think things are going to get ugly once everyone is accounted for (one way or another), and the initial shock and grief is processed.

sarahell, Saturday, 3 December 2016 21:55 (yesterday) Permalink

glad you're ok, and sorry to hear about your friends

nomar, Saturday, 3 December 2016 22:02 (yesterday) Permalink

fuck

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 3 December 2016 22:09 (yesterday) Permalink

I think things are going to get ugly once everyone is accounted for (one way or another), and the initial shock and grief is processed.

yeah, after reading the description of the warehouse space, someone's going to be in serious legal/criminal trouble.

i hope your friends are found safe, akm and sarahell <3

just1n3, Saturday, 3 December 2016 23:29 (yesterday) Permalink

thanks!

sarahell, Saturday, 3 December 2016 23:31 (yesterday) Permalink

I have friends of friends missing apparently. Small scene.

Οὖτις, Saturday, 3 December 2016 23:32 (yesterday) Permalink

thank you. holding out hope but there is no news on these two girls, which is quite dreadful. a lot of very sad people in the east bay.

akm, Saturday, 3 December 2016 23:39 (yesterday) Permalink

At least half of the missing people are people I've met/chatted with at shows. Maybe more, my memory isn't what it once was.

sarahell, Saturday, 3 December 2016 23:40 (yesterday) Permalink

oh yeah several others look familiar to me; I just personally know Ara and Kiyomi. Ara just hosted a show with my friends and my wife a few weeks ago. she is such a sweet gir, my son loved her.

akm, Saturday, 3 December 2016 23:42 (yesterday) Permalink

:-(

never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Saturday, 3 December 2016 23:43 (yesterday) Permalink

Yeah, I was at a show with Ara last Friday, and we were talking about sewing and fashion and body image stuff.
I've known Jason for years, he had the best David Lynch in Twin Peaks costume at a party several years back, just perfect.

sarahell, Saturday, 3 December 2016 23:57 (yesterday) Permalink

Old (possibly inactive?) ilxor table is the table is okay. I talked on the phone with him earlier today.

elan, Sunday, 4 December 2016 00:06 (sixteen hours ago) Permalink

he moved out of Oakland about a year ago. He has friends among the missing though, as he probably told you.

sarahell, Sunday, 4 December 2016 00:09 (sixteen hours ago) Permalink

Oof

http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2016/12/03/oakland-officials-recently-cited-owner-of-warehouse-that-was-scene-of-deadly-fire/

City building inspectors last month had launched an investigation into the site of Friday night’s deadly fire for illegal structures built inside the warehouse, but they were unable to get inside the building to inspect it.

Officials had cited the building’s owner for blight on Nov. 13 after neighbors complained of “a ton of garbage piling up” in the adjoining lot. They next day, city records show, officials followed what was called a housing habitability complaint and began an investigation of an alleged “illegal interior building structure.”

When inspectors returned on Nov. 17, they couldn’t get inside, Darin Ranelletti, Oakland’s interim director of planning and building, said at a news conference this afternon....

City inspectors went to the property on Nov. 13 after a complaint of a large amount of garbage dumped outside. A neighbor complained about “a ton of garbage piling up” in vacant lot next to the building, calling it a “trash collection site” and a “trash recycling site.” The building had been “remodeled for residential,” the complaint states.

It was during an inspection of that complaint that the illegal structure complaint began, records show.

“We have reports that people were living in the structure,” Ranelletti said, “but again we are trying to confirm that.”

Ng, according to property records, bought the warehouse in 1997. She could not be reached Saturday afternoon.

Records show Ng owns 11 other Oakland properties, including an art gallery and retail building on International Boulevard, and at least two in San Francisco. A tenant at one of the Oakland properties would only describe her as a nice woman.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 4 December 2016 00:43 (fifteen hours ago) Permalink

Four of the missing are my friends: the 2 people akm mentions as well as one of the promoters and a musician. I feel 100% terrible. There is a first person survivor account on reddit that's truly terrifying.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Sunday, 4 December 2016 00:54 (fifteen hours ago) Permalink

my friend was the headliner at this show, it's totally surreal to see his name in all these news stories. glad he's ok at least. so awful, he was due for a good break and instead, this.

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Sunday, 4 December 2016 00:57 (fifteen hours ago) Permalink

Whoah Steve - good to see u but wish it was betyer circumstances :(

Οὖτις, Sunday, 4 December 2016 01:00 (fifteen hours ago) Permalink

re: the media response:

https://twitter.com/scottgordonwi/status/805183414508879872

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Sunday, 4 December 2016 01:01 (fifteen hours ago) Permalink

I've been at so many shows and parties at places like that. Most of the shows I've put on have been at places that were "safer," but still not up to code. It's "normal." Having something like that happen at a show I was responsible for was one of my greatest fears for over a decade.

sarahell, Sunday, 4 December 2016 01:04 (fifteen hours ago) Permalink

heartbreaking

the late great, Sunday, 4 December 2016 01:05 (fifteen hours ago) Permalink

they haven't announced the deaths yet, so it's this surreal experience of all these people being "missing" and friends and family members posting on their facebook walls that they hope they are ok, and asking them to call.

sarahell, Sunday, 4 December 2016 01:11 (fifteen hours ago) Permalink

sarahell: Yes, he said that he doesn't know yet how many friends he lost. He thinks he probably knows everyone that was there...

elan, Sunday, 4 December 2016 02:16 (fourteen hours ago) Permalink

i really feel for u guys, nightmare scenario all round

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 4 December 2016 02:17 (thirteen hours ago) Permalink

xp - yeah, ted was closer to a lot of those folks than i was.

sarahell, Sunday, 4 December 2016 02:18 (thirteen hours ago) Permalink

I dont know if any of you will remember sean boyles aka seanwayne who was in Hellbeard and used to post in metal thread but hes ok. Its not one of the places he went to but i thought id post it here just incase anyone was wondering about him

Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 4 December 2016 04:06 (twelve hours ago) Permalink

Kiyomi, one of the "missing" is the owner of the dog in my hipster puppies tribute to whiney that I shared a while back. Maybe it was on 77?

sarahell, Sunday, 4 December 2016 04:28 (eleven hours ago) Permalink

shit, this is dreadful. thoughts with you all

Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Sunday, 4 December 2016 12:31 (three hours ago) Permalink

Kiyomi was one of the most genuinely nice and sweet people I've ever met. I hope someone takes good care of Jejune (the dog)

Last night my wife and I went to see the Kronos Quartet (who performed Strange Fruit and Silent Cranes, a piece commemorating the Armenian Genocide); then we went into a bar and the news on the TV (question: why do all bars have fucking TVs in them now) was coverage of this fire for 30 straight minutes, it was easily the most depressing night out I've spent in years, unavoidable. The news is abominable. Go away.

akm, Sunday, 4 December 2016 15:31 (forty-four minutes ago) Permalink

my condolences to you both anthony & sarahell

Rae Kwoniff (NickB), Sunday, 4 December 2016 16:00 (sixteen minutes ago) Permalink


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