Tax Breaks For Hummers

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A friend just sent me this. Is there any scenario, aside from "Rich people roXor!" that makes this justifiable?

Tax break has Hummers rolling off lots

David J. Cieslak
The Arizona Republic
Jan. 1, 2004 12:00 AM


Here's the perfect way for a Valley business owner to truly ring in the new year:

Buy a shiny new Hummer or a fully loaded Cadillac Escalade, then get a hefty tax deduction on the monster vehicle, all compliments of Uncle Sam.

Dozens of wide-eyed customers packed into the Valley's Hummer and Cadillac dealers on New Year's Eve to take advantage of a federal tax windfall allowing them to buy the oversize gas guzzlers and deduct the purchase from their 2003 tax bills.

Dealers said they were selling more than double the average daily number of the specialized vehicles, with much of the rush coming as their doors were set to close.

"We're selling a ton of cars, and everybody's having fun," said Bob Monahan, sales manager for Lund Cadillac Hummer Saab in Phoenix, who watched 35 Hummers and Cadillac Escalades roll off his showroom floor Wednesday.

"It's been great for everybody," said Monahan, who estimated his average daily sales at 15 vehicles.

The deduction for business owners, approved in May by President Bush as part of his federal tax-cut package, gives a deduction of up to $100,000 for new or used vehicles that weigh more than 6,000 pounds. Aside from Hummers and Cadillacs, the choices ranged from the Dodge Durango and the Ford Expedition to the Lincoln Navigator and the GMC Yukon.

Dealers across the Valley pledged to stay open late on New Year's Eve to handle the rush of customers, many of whom came straight from their accountants' offices after receiving advice about the tax deduction.

"Most of these people have done a lot of research to make sure they qualify for the program, and now they're coming back and buying the vehicles," said Eddie Espinosa, general manager of Kachina Cadillac Hummer Saab in Scottsdale.

Phyllis Tsai, 27, drove to Scottsdale from Snowflake to buy a new Hummer H2. Tsai, whose boyfriend owns a motel in the northern Arizona community, said they jumped at the chance to own a Hummer after realizing the 2003 write-off deadline was Wednesday.

"To me, a vehicle is a vehicle, but my boyfriend was really excited about it," said Tsai, who was the last customer at Kachina before the dealership closed shortly after 8 p.m.

But to Dave Bresnahan, the Hummer is much more than just a vehicle. In the eyes of his three sons, buying the "sunrise" orange Hummer for $55,000 made him the hippest dad in the Valley.

"I bought it mostly because my boys think it's cool, and I'm a boy who thinks it's cool, too," said Bresnahan, 42. "It's awesome. I feel like a king."

Bresnahan, vice president of Lex International, which sells customer-retention products to car dealerships, said he knew about the tax deduction for six months but didn't make a decision until New Year's Eve, when he drove by the Kachina dealership in Scottsdale.

"I didn't go in thinking I was going to buy anything, but I walked out with one," Bresnahan said.

The windfall doesn't come without a price for the government. One expert estimated that if 100,000 people utilize the loophole, it will cost the country about $1.5 billion in tax revenue.

Lawmakers earlier this year upped the deduction amount from $25,000 in the hopes it would encourage businesses to invest in new equipment sooner.

The deduction is available for tax years 2003, 2004 and 2005.

Dealers say the tax break encourages people to buy cars, which contributes to a healthy economy.

"Our customers are speaking to their accountants and making a good business move at the end of the year," said Greg Schamp, new car sales director of Coulter Cadillac and Oldsmobile in Phoenix. "It's a good time to be a Cadillac dealer."

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 03:38 (twenty years ago) link

This is the shittiest shit I have ever heard of in my life, possibly.

kirsten (kirsten), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 03:42 (twenty years ago) link

What the reporter fails to mention is that every model purchased under this deduction plan is actually rigged with high explosive substances in the undercarriage!

Allyzay, Tuesday, 2 March 2004 03:45 (twenty years ago) link

you gotta stop them, k.

crosspost

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 03:45 (twenty years ago) link

I have every intention of doing so, R.

kirsten (kirsten), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 03:46 (twenty years ago) link

the hopes it would encourage businesses to invest in new equipment sooner

in other words it's not aimed at joe q rich buying a hummer, it's aimed at the contractor or pool guy who wants a new f150 or the shipping company that wants a new semi and so on and so forth.

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 03:48 (twenty years ago) link

Crony Capitalists get along

The article doesn't note that troops in Iraq are driving around in non-armored civilian Hummers.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 03:48 (twenty years ago) link

it will cost the country about $1.5 billion in tax revenue.

How is a tax break that encourages businesses to spend thousands of dollars they otherwise wouldn't have costing $1.5 billion in revenue. That's like the RIAA saying every album downloaded is costing them $15.

Stuart (Stuart), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 03:50 (twenty years ago) link

Are there any european or asian manufacturers producing passenger vehicles over 6000 pounds?

Thank you

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 2 March 2004 03:51 (twenty years ago) link

A new F-150 wouldn't qualify, as the weight isn't high enough (or at least mine sits at ~4500 pounds). A new F-150, unless you're getting one of those ridiculous and useless for work models, would have been covered by the old $25k anyway.

I understand what your local politician would claim is the reason, but that's bullshit. If it was, then they would have written the law to be slightly restrictive (ie "you ain't buying a Hummer to make your kids love you and/or your girlfriend fuck you because they're useless")

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 03:52 (twenty years ago) link

That is so wrong that I can't believe it's true. Also, is there really a vehicle called the Dodge Durango? And in what scenario would your business require one as a vital piece of new equipment?

We use a lot of 4 wheel drives and atvs, and we move a lot of stuff around, but have never been stymied for want of a hummer.

isadora (isadora), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 03:52 (twenty years ago) link

well, stuart, the federal taxes those businesses are going to be paying on the equipment they purchase may not add up to be more than the tax rebate they are getting for purchasing that equipment!

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 03:53 (twenty years ago) link

Those cars are bigger than most apartments in Tokyo!

(milo is otm)

Allyzay, Tuesday, 2 March 2004 03:53 (twenty years ago) link

isadora do you know any contractors or plumbers or pool maintenance men??

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 03:53 (twenty years ago) link

(milo i don't really know cars well enough but i'm assuming the hummer isn't the only car you can get this tax break on)

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 03:54 (twenty years ago) link

I DO I DO I DO! (I'm one out of three myself)

None of them are using Hummers. None of them are rolling in Escalades with dubs. Most of them aren't driving anything that was made in the last decade.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 03:55 (twenty years ago) link

Nor is the tax break going to make Joe Plumber able to afford a new vehicle. He has to have the, you know, purchase price first.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 03:56 (twenty years ago) link

If you're going to pay 30% on $50,000 if you don't spend it, and 0% if you do spend it, then a $50,000 vehicle is only costing you $35,000.

Stuart (Stuart), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 03:57 (twenty years ago) link

But the point is that this isn't really benefitting the people they're saying this is benefitting at all, in fact I will just start calling this the "Ludacris Tax Break" because who the hell buys an Escalade to do labor? POLITIK SPIN SHOCKER NEXT ON NY1.

Allyzay, Tuesday, 2 March 2004 04:02 (twenty years ago) link

http://ox.eicat.ca/~scarruthers/ilx/bushfiddle.jpg

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 04:04 (twenty years ago) link

Wow.

Allyzay, Tuesday, 2 March 2004 04:04 (twenty years ago) link

And you can feel free to quote me on that.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 04:06 (twenty years ago) link

I just love how the Hummer is going headfirst into the burning wilderness, I can actually see that on a car ad with the tiny disclaimer "PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS ON STUNT COURSE" underneath it and honestly it worries me that I don't think it's odd to think of an actual advertisement occuring in which someone drives straight into the pits of hell.

While, like, Andrew WK plays over it.

Allyzay, Tuesday, 2 March 2004 04:07 (twenty years ago) link

how about a tow truck? would that count??

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 04:07 (twenty years ago) link

I imagine so, but I also imagine that you can find one or two instances of ANYTHING EVER IN THE ENTIRE WORLD working in a way that is beneficial to someone if you want to be a pedant.

Allyzay, Tuesday, 2 March 2004 04:13 (twenty years ago) link

That's the point, vahid - it's fine and well to write a tax break that lets a small business buy a new tow truck. Writing a tax break so broadly that Joe Yuppie can use business funds to buy a Hummer so he can look cool with his kids is severely fucked up.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 04:13 (twenty years ago) link

If anyone knows a contractor using Escalades for work, please e-mail me their phone number, as I'm willing to switch companies.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 04:14 (twenty years ago) link

Well, more broadly, this is how SUVs got by in the first place. They're allowed lower mpg ratings because (by virtue of their size) they're classified as trucks, and trucks were allowed lower mpgs because they were (allegedly, at the time) mostly used by farmers and other small businessmen upon whom the extra $500 or $1,000 per vehicle (or whatever it would cost to produce slightly less noxious modes of transportation) would have been an economic hardship. Nobody even bothers to pretend that SUVs are mostly driven by farmers or people actually hauling business-related materials (5-year-olds don't count as business-related unless you're involved in businesses of a dubious ethical and legal nature), but now that half the country drives them, it's not really in anyone's interest bump the standards back up. Which is why American automobiles now have the lowest average mpg since the Carter era.

On the other hand, I got to ride around Montreal and Vermont in an Escalade last summer, and I admit I loved watching people's faces (out the tinted windows) as we cruised by; the mixture of disgust, envy and bafflement was kind of intoxicating. And I could enjoy it guilt-free since I was just a guest. Or so I told myself, drinking beer in the back seat.

spittle (spittle), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 09:07 (twenty years ago) link

When I am king, Hummer owners will be the first against the wall. And it will be slow. One hour for every gallon of gas they used.

Speedy (Speedy Gonzalas), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 09:55 (twenty years ago) link

Crudders I kiss you many times.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 14:36 (twenty years ago) link

I do not know any pool maintenance men (and with this admission I exclude myself from ever making a valid point in any political/enviromental/economic debate)

isadora (isadora), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 20:05 (twenty years ago) link

It would be cool if the tax break for hummers had nothing to do with automobiles.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 20:14 (twenty years ago) link

Nickalicious OTM

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 20:50 (twenty years ago) link

why hasn't anyone made the obvious joke yet?

Ian Johnson (orion), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 21:16 (twenty years ago) link

ha ha

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 21:17 (twenty years ago) link

Because no joke is as funny as the cosmic one that keeps being played on people that care about the Earth.

Speedy (Speedy Gonzalas), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 21:21 (twenty years ago) link

and this is why i come here

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 21:22 (twenty years ago) link

I know a pool maintenance company owner, and his work truck is a Chevy Silverado -- far cry from a Hummer. The point is spot-on: who the shit buys a Hummer as their work vehicle??

Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 22:06 (twenty years ago) link

well, people who own business licenses can buy whatever they want. I don't see how this law could be written to exclude certain vehicles. It's a loophole and a stupid one, the law is well-intentioned, but I don't know that it's done anything to stimulate the economy as intended.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 22:11 (twenty years ago) link

seven months pass...
WOOHOO, my picture above made Congress reconsider this tax break!

Congress moves to close SUV tax loophole

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 7 October 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link


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