Stanley Kubrick: Classic or Dud?

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not so much anti-humanist in the sense of being against or dismissive of humans or human affairs, but rather that his films seem to take a certain non-humanist perspective that is refreshing. that is, human emotions are not the end-all be-all validating principle of his work.

ryan (ryan), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:30 (seventeen years ago) link

the proper term i guess, to use contemporary crit theory jargon, is post-humanist.

ryan (ryan), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I agree with that -- I look at his movies as environments with people in them, rather than being necessarily "about people"

Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:49 (seventeen years ago) link

his films seem to take a certain non-humanist perspective that is refreshing.

A God's-eye view. Surveying the general tendencies of human civilization, I identify.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 3 November 2006 14:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I could say that 2001 is actually gloriously, progressively humanist. I mean, it shows humanity graduating into godhood!

Man graduating to godhood is surely not a humanist idea is it? Rather the opposite. 2001's iconic theme music is from Thus Spake Zarathustra, hardly your average humanist treatise.

Revivalist (Revivalist), Friday, 3 November 2006 14:45 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe not, but imo it depends on what one thinks is the best outcome for humanity - and why not godhood? ;) anyway, it doesn't seem like a terribly cynical, anti-human message to me, despite the traumatic transition.

Dominique (dleone), Friday, 3 November 2006 21:55 (seventeen years ago) link

If he'd been more faithful to The Shining, King wouldn't have had to remake it.

-- Andrew Farrell (afarrel...), Monday 1:44 PM. (afarrell) (later)

how did none of you read this as a joke?

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 3 November 2006 21:59 (seventeen years ago) link

barry lyndon is a practically flawless film

latebloomer: none of th movies make scence but they r good. (latebloomer), Monday, 6 November 2006 04:47 (seventeen years ago) link

which doesn't make it great

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 November 2006 04:52 (seventeen years ago) link

it is great though.

latebloomer: none of th movies make scence but they r good. (latebloomer), Monday, 6 November 2006 05:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I could say that 2001 is actually gloriously, progressively humanist. I mean, it shows humanity graduating into godhood!

Of course you could say the opposite, in that humanity is unable to progress beyond anything without the help of machines.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 6 November 2006 05:39 (seventeen years ago) link

how did none of you read this as a joke?

I've heard other people say that line more or less straight. Apparently there are fans of that book out there.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 6 November 2006 06:36 (seventeen years ago) link

four months pass...
what is the deal with 'the shining' having two different cuts, one UK and one US?

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 11:15 (seventeen years ago) link

does it? I saw it on opening night (in New Jersey), 145m I believe. Kubrick cut 2 minutes the following week. I know there's a further cut around 120m -- if that was the UK release edit, I haven't a clue why.

Still his worst post-Killer's Kiss film at any length.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 13:26 (seventeen years ago) link

i think the uk version was significantly shorter. but yep the US one lost a hospital scene from the end after a few weeks theatrically.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 13:27 (seventeen years ago) link

the funny thing there is the british invented lo-nrg lightbulbs in like the 50s but the industry kind of self-censored back then.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 13:29 (seventeen years ago) link

probably for another thread, that.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 13:30 (seventeen years ago) link

The iMdBaccount, tho that "third day of release" thing is utterly at odds with what I remember.

Kubrick apparently thought a half hour of the US version was "unnecessary," so I guess he thought it sucked too.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 13:46 (seventeen years ago) link

you should see the UK version, maybe it'll turn you around?

it's a funny film.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 13:54 (seventeen years ago) link

no, it's a pompous, dull film w/ a few funny scenes. (I think I did see the 2-hour version once, and it was just hash.)

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 13:59 (seventeen years ago) link

are you guys talking about Braveheart?

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 14:28 (seventeen years ago) link

They'd hafta cut that one down to 12 minutes before I'll see it.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 14:35 (seventeen years ago) link

This is weird, I distictly remember seeing a version of the film (in Finnish TV) where it was revealed that Jack had dislocated Danny's shoulder, even though that is supposed to be only in the US version. Though some of the other scenes that are only in the US version sound unfamiliar to me.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 07:29 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...

"internegative" of Barry Lyndon this weekend in NYC:

http://www.filmlinc.com/wrt/onsale/barrylyndon.html

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 15:38 (sixteen years ago) link

Marisa Berenson was hot in that movie, Time was right

Dominique, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 17:03 (sixteen years ago) link

she was supposed to show at above screenings, just Leon Vitali now, apparently.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 17:09 (sixteen years ago) link

I are jealous. that thing's gonna look sumptuous. wonder if they're projecting at 1.37 or 1.66...

Edward III, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 17:22 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...

from DVDbeaver:

Warner Home Video Director's Series: Stanley Kubrick Collection on 23rd October 2007. 2001: A Space Odyssey (2-Disc Special Edition), A Clockwork Orange (2-Disc Special Edition), Eyes Wide Shut (2-Disc Special Edition), The Shining (2-Disc Special Edition WIDESCREEN), Barry Lyndon and Lolita
A Deluxe Edition of Full Metal Jacket will also be released in Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD

C. Grisso/McCain, Friday, 27 July 2007 02:14 (sixteen years ago) link

The Shining (2-Disc Special Edition WIDESCREEN)

ooh...

pisces, Friday, 27 July 2007 02:20 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah... bit of a misnomer. kubrick wasn't a big fan of wide formats, 'specially for home viewing.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 27 July 2007 08:42 (sixteen years ago) link

ok between this and blade runner i'm going to be geeked out this year

latebloomer, Friday, 27 July 2007 08:43 (sixteen years ago) link

any chance of a commentary on these from kubrick?

latebloomer, Friday, 27 July 2007 08:44 (sixteen years ago) link

this is pretty fuckin' typical -- i finally got a stack o' kubrick dvds earlier this year. very cheaply though. i wonder what will be on them.

xpost

no, he died in 1999.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 27 July 2007 08:45 (sixteen years ago) link

i know that

latebloomer, Friday, 27 July 2007 08:46 (sixteen years ago) link

do i have to put a ";-)" after everything?

latebloomer, Friday, 27 July 2007 08:47 (sixteen years ago) link

i know you knew, i sort of zinging. it's early.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 27 July 2007 08:48 (sixteen years ago) link

there are definitely loads of deleted scenes from '2001'. 'strangelove' (which isn't warner i guess so not included here) has an alt ending.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 27 July 2007 08:50 (sixteen years ago) link

"kubrick wasn't a big fan of wide formats, 'specially for home viewing."

but we have big flat wall-hung TV's now and we didnt then.

i wonder if the making of 2001 doc will be included in that disc.

jed_, Friday, 27 July 2007 08:51 (sixteen years ago) link

i mean i actually have an ancient 13 inch portable.

jed_, Friday, 27 July 2007 08:54 (sixteen years ago) link

i think he actually shot academy ratio on everything post-2001 -- even 'barry lyndon'.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 27 July 2007 08:56 (sixteen years ago) link

'strangelove' (which isn't warner i guess so not included here) has an alt ending.

Do you mean the pie fight scene? If I remember correctly, there isn't any footage surviving from that.

Tuomas, Friday, 27 July 2007 09:35 (sixteen years ago) link

ah.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 27 July 2007 09:51 (sixteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

more details on the new DVDs (and Eyes Wide Shut will be the uncensored Euro version):

http://www.cinematical.com/2007/08/22/warning-to-kubrick-fanatics-start-saving-your-pennies/

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 23 August 2007 16:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Uh, so they fucked with the aspect ratios of the films to suit new televisions, and there's no release in a hi def format, and this new box will lack Dr. Strangelove.

Looks like I'm sticking with my current box set, thanks.

mh, Thursday, 23 August 2007 16:10 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

TMC has Fail-Safe on and so far it's quite a bit more entertaining than Strangelove, although as pointed out by the presenter this would have been a rather improbable opinion to formulate, much less defend, in 1964.

El Tomboto, Friday, 5 October 2007 02:05 (sixteen years ago) link

this would have been a rather improbable opinion to formulate, much less defend, in 1964.

Still is! It's from an era when George C Scott was allowed to be funnier than Walter Matthau.

Dr Morbius, Friday, 5 October 2007 13:15 (sixteen years ago) link

But where did George get with Yvonne De Carlo?

James Redd and the Blecchs, Friday, 5 October 2007 13:35 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh wait.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Friday, 5 October 2007 13:35 (sixteen years ago) link

?

Ken, we should really go to the movies sometime.

Dr Morbius, Friday, 5 October 2007 13:36 (sixteen years ago) link


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