Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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My feeling is: Yes, somewhat. But Regular Readers will recall that I am a curmudgeon who doesn't like New Things. So do they really want to agree with me here? Plus, we do have (somewhere round here) a house Guardian expert whose opinion would be interesting.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Some readers might, conceivably, like to know that the Guardian (formerly Manchester Guardian) is a UK daily newspaper which has for several decades been the main print source / gathering-point, as it were, for those on 'The Liberal Left'. Many UK ILE posters, I imagine, know it very well and have done for many years, so I thought there might be some opinions around.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

I like the Guardian now more than I have for years. Perhaps the restyle of the mag helped, but generally the Burchill thing works for me and I haven't noticed a drop in quality elsewhere. The Guide has always been shite (and I say that working for PA Listings) but the rest seems cool. Can you specify what's gone wrong for you?

chris, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

I hate the Guardian - particularly the G2 section, with it's crappy 'think' pieces, terrible arts reviews and smug phillistinism - and have bought it every weekday and Saturdays for at least the last fifteen years. Because, being a bleeding heart liberal and a news junkie, I couldn't bring myself to read any of the other rags (morning papers are somehow part of my going to work coping ritual.) I flirted with the Independent for a while - and the IOS still has the great film critic David Thomson writing for 'em - but I found it to be even more boring than the Guardian. I suspect that I am far from alone in all this, and that the Guardian survives on the unearned good will of the liberal middle classes.

Funnily enough, I quite like the Guide, partly because Joe Queenan and Byron Coley sometimes write for it, partly because it means I no longer have to buy that useless piece of toss Time Out anymore.

Andrew L, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

I've never actually bought a copy of the Guardian, if I did buy a newspaper I'd get the Telegraph, it has a good weather section, obituaries, world news briefs and I like the sports section.

james e l, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

I suppose the short answer is 'Trivialization'. One has to be a tad careful using a word like that, because, for instance,

1. The simplification of the accusation may just echo what it asserts about the target (just as 'Dumbing Down' is a dumb, dull phrase);

2. If I don't like Triviality, why don't I read nothing but 10-page reports from the former Yugoslavia? It would be hypocritical of me to say that I simply wanted them to be SERIOUS and SOLEMN and RESPONSIBLE all the time. No, that's not it.

What I mean, I suppose, is that too many features, esp. in G2, now look dashed-off - half-hearted, half-baked, unconvincing, just cliché pies really. Today's Lara Croft piece was just the latest of a million examples. It feels (the terms are problematic here, I know) JOURNALISTIC in a bad way - trite, unconsidered, full of crowd- pleasing Received Ideas - rather than JOURNALISTIC in a good way (that is: dogged, resourceful, brave, mentally agile, snappy and what have you).

It's the world of second-hand Lifestyle phrases that bugs me. The way that adults can still write a phrase like "*that* dress" and not hang their heads in shame.

A rider to all my bile, though, is that my previous, more impressed impressions of the Guardian may just reflect youthful impressionability. (Sentence!) Maybe the same kind of crap used to impress me that now feels rubbishy, faux-zeitgeisty and embarrassing? Maybe, but I suspect it's a bit of both.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Andrew L: I know what you mean - the Labour party factor of Nowhere Else To Go? (And brand loyalty, or whatever you want to call it.) There's actually a Verso book out (yet?) which makes a massive attack on the Guardian as home of neo-conservative (ie New Labour) ideas. I find this rather unconvincing and overstated. Even offensive, come to think of it.

I agree about Queenan too. But most of all, I agree about Thomson. There's almost no point having a thread about Thomson, because people who know what they think about him already know it all and would just send in superlatives.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Andrew L, and indeed everyone: cut em loose and let em drown in their own smug laziness!! I stopped buying it a YEAR ago FOREVER and now buy NO NEWSPAPER and am FREE. (Actually I too buy saturday for the guide — and for the food page in the mag, but the mag redesign is utter shit, and the recipes are in fact on long recycle: eg I have seen Lady Llandower's Duck three times now, always copied (of course) from Elizabeth David Salt, Spices and Aromatics...) The age of the newspaper is dead.

mark s, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Something has clearly gone wrong with G2: the other week they ran a page-long feature on the phenomenon of "Jumping the shark" (referring to that moment when a long-running tv fave finally loses the plot completely, apparently derived from a late episode of Happy Days where Fonzie, yes, jumped a shark). This was all well and good (except it was inane and ripped off from a website [this is a whole other can of worms]), but they ran an almost IDENTICAL story in the Guide not two weeks previously. Do they not read their own paper, or did they simply think the readers wouldn't notice?

What the paper still has going for it: George Monbiot's column, the Diary, Steve Bell, giving review space to Ians Sansom and Penman, and the tv columns of Nancy Banks-Smith. (When N B-S finally pops her clogs I will have to think very hard about buying the paper.)

What is leading the paper ever closer to the abyss: consistently terrible pop coverage (honorable exceptions: Maddy Costa, Betty Clarke); the fatuous new Saturday mag (Zoe Ball on dressing? match the celebrity with the pet? that awful woman talking about words that should be banned??); Charlotte bloody Raven.

stevie t, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

What I mean, I suppose, is that too many features, esp. in G2, now look dashed-off - half-hearted, half-baked, unconvincing, just cliché pies really. (Pinefox)

I agree with you there. They sucker you in with the G2 front cover (and the masthead of the main paper), but when you get to read the cover story it often appears cobbled together and lightweight. I imagine it must be difficult to fill that space with high quality stories day in day out though.

David, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Stevie: agree about Steve Bell, of course. I mean, if only for the sake of 1981 and all that. But actually, he draws and paints better now.

I actually like Peter Preston's awkward, staccato opinion pieces, come to think of it. But not the pompous ones of Hugo Young. Freedland is sometimes good at summing political issues up, but usually he 'sums up' too much - there's too much glibness in the way he marshals it all. (I admit again, though, that it's easy - even glib - to call someone glib.)

Penman strikes me as a red herring. I can see that he doesn't do that to you, cos you have some kind of investment in his career. I agree about Sansom (great left-back, mean penalty, blah blah) - in fact I think that the whole Saturday book reviews section is quite possibly the best feature of the paper. EXCEPT of course the footy. Heroes? How could I forget David Lacey?

BUT I think that you are wrong about N B-S. It doesn't surprise me that older folk make that judgement about her; it does rather surprise me coming from you. She has skills, I guess, but she's terribly repetitive; uses the same lines on the same topics year in year out. It's all too - yes - glib and easy, while dressed up to look aged and thus wise.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

I agree with much of what's been said. After Mark Steel and Jeremy Hardy went, it didn't seem as essential anymore. The Observer's the same - just dear old Phil Hogan that still makes me go down the shops Sunday morning

jamesmichaelward, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

My parents used to get a subscription to the Guardian shipped to them for the first few years they were in the States, because they couldn't trust the US Media. The Guardian just isn't the same when it's not printed on that semi-transluscent airmail paper.

I only read it for the Guide and the job listings. Not that either has been particularly helpful lately... ;-)

masonic boom, Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Steve Bell is a GOD but apart from that I read it largely out of having nowhere else to go and a worry that I'll become totally detached from the world if I don't read any newspapers at all. I think it might have marginally improved with the loss of Messrs. Hardy and Steel though. Everything they wrote was just as predictable and smug as any of the other writers mentioned above, only with a more left wing stance.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

I don't read anything except the Spectator. Hey Chris, if you work for PA Listings then that means you're in the same building as me.

tarden, Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

The Guide last week (or was it the week before) had that BRILLIANT article slamming not just the Strokes, but the entire music hype industry... VERY funny because it was so clearly written by an insider who had been participating in the music hype game for so long.

masonic boom, Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

I'd love to comment, but those Observer commissions are keeping me out of the poor house. Anything appearing in the Guardian or the Obs by my deepest and dearest friends is obviously genius...

Mark Morris, Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

As bad as the Guardian may have become, it's still better than the so-called "best" American newspapers. Or, if you think it couldn't get worse, it could end up becoming The New York Times or The Washington Post.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Reynard's right about the amount of trivial toss that gets in there. Mark's also right about the decline of the newspaper in general. Reynard's spot on re. New Labour - the Guardian's frequent criticism of some Blairite attitudes is one of the great things about it.

There's a lot of irritating stuff, yes. My favourite columnist is George Monbiot, by a mile. Something I like about the Independent when I do get it is that its liberalism is less metropolitan and more about the common good. Needless to say, though, the Guardian's series of articles on public service under that very title were awesome.

The Hemulen Who Loved Silence, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

OK, agree with the Hemulen re. The Common Good.

Today's G2 seems designed to add fuel to my (f)ire: one page of 'Style' after another, including a column on Why We're So Disappointed That Madonna Employs A Stylist.

the pinefox, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Although Toynbee's piece on Labour post-election is admirable.

blue veils and golden sands, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

Broadly I agree with her, yes. It feels a wee bit ironic given her immediately-pre-election pieces telling everyone how urgent it was to overcome apathy and vote for the people she's now criticizing. (But actually I think she was right both times.)

Also good in Guardian: John Patterson re. cinema.

the pinefox, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (14 years ago) Permalink

6 years pass...

oh god, ask hadley today is just... tooth-grinding.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

"today"

Dom Passantino, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

"At what age is a man too old to wear band T-shirts?"

Martin McCall, by email

"About 15 - that young enough for you, Martin? And to follow one rhetorical question with several more, what in God's name is the point of band T-shirts anyway? To show your allegiance to a band? Do you think anyone else cares? To impress onlookers with your esoteric musical knowledge? See previous reply. To make people stare at your bony chest? Again, I refer you to the first answer. To show that you once attended a live gig? Wow, like, a pair of golden headsets to the guy in the Nirvana '91 T-shirt. In case you happen to bump into the lead singer on the street, he sees that the two of you are kindred souls and therefore invites you to join his band and you then go on the road and have all the manly bonding sessions followed by groupies that your heart could desire? OK, I'll give you that one, although this does suggest that you still harbour the fantasy that you might bump into Joey Ramone in Waterstone's.

"As for ladies in band T-shirts, give me a fricking break. First, gals, a badly cut, poorly made, oversized T-shirt is good for nothing other than wearing to bed and the gym. Second, too often women who wear band T-shirts appear to be going for what we shall call Groupie Chic. It is a style amply modelled by Kate Moss in recent years, and can pretty much be summed up as skinny faded black jeans, ankle boots, a ripped band T-shirt and a cropped fur jacket. In other words, a girlified version of Marc Bolan's or Keith Richards' wardrobe, as though the woman has been so busy, um, sleeping on the band bus she hasn't had time to clean her clothes, so she's now wearing ones belonging to her musical companion. This column has no time for such nonsense."

Tracer Hand, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:19 (7 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, because women have *no* interest in music whatsoever except for sleeping with musicians. What CENTURY is this cretin from?

Masonic Boom, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:21 (7 years ago) Permalink

I think I stopped wearing band T-shirts by the time I was 23. It wasn't necessarily a conscious move tho. I doubt I will ever wear one again tho - I guess it seems lame unless it's an old obscure or overlooked thus hip act (even this I dunno about). I don't notice many people over 20 wearing them. Does Matt DC still have that Save Ferris T?

I only want to sleep with musicians if they are hot as they are (their musical ability is pretty irrelevant in fact).

blueski, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

dear teh grauniad - a long time ago/we used to be friends...

CharlieNo4, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

It went downhill after I left.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

or were you PUSHED?

blueski, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

heh. (sorry alex, no harm intended)

CharlieNo4, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:36 (7 years ago) Permalink

xp

Dom Passantino, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:36 (7 years ago) Permalink

i was being harsh really. i don't care what's on other people's t-shirts that much. just trying to work out why i stopped wearing/wouldn't wear band t-shirts myself.

blueski, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:37 (7 years ago) Permalink

Any t-shirt which isn't plain white clearly sucks that's why.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

i couldn't agree less

blueski, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:40 (7 years ago) Permalink

I still wear band t-shirts if I like the band. Why not? I don't *define* myself or my personality by my music tastes any more, I haven't done that since I was about 18. But that's not the same thing as wearing a band t-shirt.

I suppose the fashion journalist in discussion cannot fathom the idea that clothes are just something you put on, rather than a definition of or statement about your personality.

This is definitely something that happens as you age - or rather, has happened to me as I aged. There's a subtle difference between Statement Clothes and just things you put on.

Masonic Boom, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:40 (7 years ago) Permalink

Guardian editorial worldview circa 2007:

tissp, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:41 (7 years ago) Permalink

why else would you buy a band t-shirt if not as a statement or definition of personality?

blueski, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:44 (7 years ago) Permalink

I didn't know it was a band t-shirt okay?

Matt DC, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

because you're cold xp

tissp, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

In the past I've usually just bought them as a keepsake of a gig I've enjoyed. The piece tracer quotes is idiotic fluff, obv. I'd be embarrased to admit I'd written that.

Pashmina, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

Because you like the design? Because you like the music? Because it was given to you (this is where most of mine come from)? Because it was a souvenier?

x-post

Masonic Boom, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

you wouldn't actually buy a band t-shirt because you liked the design but not necessarily the band tho...would you?

because you like the music = statement/definition of you/your taste

given to you = not you buying

blueski, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

you wouldn't actually buy a band t-shirt because you liked the design but not necessarily the band tho...would you?

No, plus I've only ever bought them @ gigs.

because you like the music = statement/definition of you/your taste

Probably yeah, but w/smaller bands there's also the knowledge that in buying it, yr helping to supposrt the tour.

Pashmina, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:50 (7 years ago) Permalink

i actually bought a comets on fire t-shirt solely because the design was so awesome. (it was at a gig, but they hadn't come on stage yet.) then i heard the music and i liked that too. i suppose if i hadn't liked their music, or thought it was boring, it would have posed a problem.

a friend of mine, who shall remain nameless so that alex in nyc doesn't stalk and kill him, bought a huge iron maiden patch when he was 14 and sewed it across the shoulders of his denim jacket. he had never heard a note of iron maiden, but he wound up becoming the biggest iron maiden fan i know, and even sung in a band later, where his vocal style was almost inseparable from bruce dickinson's.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:53 (7 years ago) Permalink

my take on this: do not read hadley freeman.

this resolution made some time ago, stands as strong today as it ever did.

it's a crass and deliberately invidious piece of writing. such an attitude, if sincerely held, could be turned around on pretty much ANY choice of clothing. so forgeddaboudit

Alan, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:53 (7 years ago) Permalink

the last band t-shirt i bought - robyn!

alan i can't help myself, i know i'm sick and need help.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

is there a thread for best band t-shirts? must see

blueski, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

Taste is something that I have. It does not define me. Clothes are something I wear. The statement I am making is "I don't really care about clothes any more."

If I'm going to make a statement about clothes, I'll wear a bright green paisley jacket to a dronerock festival where everyone else is in leather.

I suppose my Hawkwind t-shirt is a statement, it says "ha ha, I'm wearing a Hawkwind t-shirt, I care nothing for fashion, I am wearing the shirt of a band so deeply uncool you can suck my left one because I love them!" But it's certainly not a statement saying that I want to f*ck any of Hawkwind or that I have a musician boyfriend whose Hawkwind t-shirt I'm borrowing, which is the assumption of that article.

Masonic Boom, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

> I don't notice many people over 20 wearing them.

*SOBS*

> you wouldn't actually buy a band t-shirt because you liked the design but not necessarily the band tho...would you?

EAR t-shirt with the putney on the front = great. EAR live = terrible. (EAR on CD = ok, plus pram and stereolab were supporting)

koogs, Monday, 3 September 2007 15:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

I can think of several totalitarian dictatorships that were never as bad as the people who comment on Guardian articles.

Matt DC, Friday, 10 July 2015 13:13 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Say what you like about Idi Amin at least he didn't go to his grave thinking that BLIAR still represented witty and incisive social commentary.

Matt DC, Friday, 10 July 2015 13:14 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

More like FIBBI AMIN

Keith Moom (Neil S), Friday, 10 July 2015 13:38 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I'm so sorry

Keith Moom (Neil S), Friday, 10 July 2015 13:38 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

that is one shitty tumblr

the story of ilm: an ottyssey (wins), Friday, 10 July 2015 13:41 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

This has been pretty good
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/series/inspect-a-gadget

Hikikomori Povich (tsrobodo), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 13:09 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

telegraph will always be worse than the guardian:
https://twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/621300211097464832

feargal czukay (NickB), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 13:11 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

xp good grief, the eggmaster

cod latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 13:15 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Don't click on that Telegraph article in the Caroline Lucas link, they know exactly what they're doing with that one.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 13:35 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

hoping to ensnare legions of Colonel Bufton-Tuftons ready to wank themselves into a froth, no doubt

Credit: howtokeepapositiveattitudedotcom (stevie), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 14:06 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Well that and attract millions of clicks from furious lefties.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 15:21 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

yup

lol if you think the target market for the telegraph website is people who buy the telegraph newspaper

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 16 July 2015 13:10 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

lol if you think it's over

Mark G, Thursday, 16 July 2015 13:47 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

imo the issue with pieces like this and other 'lol we've reached PEAK GUARIDAN!!1' things is less the assertion put fwd (although that seems at best questionable) and more that it's being published with the intention of getting racists to come and comment

and she's baconing like she's never baconed before (DJ Mencap), Monday, 20 July 2015 07:47 (1 week ago) Permalink

Michael Twitty is an excellent writer and his pieces are never less than interesting. If the only take away people are getting from that one is "barbecue is racist" i don't know what to say.

I wear my Redditor loathing with pride (ShariVari), Monday, 20 July 2015 08:17 (1 week ago) Permalink

the going madness of political correctness is a serious concern for us all

Live Aid: JFC (Noodle Vague), Monday, 20 July 2015 08:43 (1 week ago) Permalink

that wasn't even a 24hr-outrage piece, that was a pretty interesting and well-researched history lesson that taught me things i didn't know before

lex pretend, Monday, 20 July 2015 15:37 (1 week ago) Permalink

Yeah, I was braced for something about cultural appropriation and guilt but it's not that at all. It's straight-up informative.

A swarm of antipathy (Re-Make/Re-Model), Monday, 20 July 2015 15:38 (1 week ago) Permalink

not a peep about the cruelty of animal slaughter & consumption though

example (crüt), Monday, 20 July 2015 15:43 (1 week ago) Permalink

seems to have gone unnoticed that the writer of ^that piece is literally on work experience at the Guardian this week

and she's baconing like she's never baconed before (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 15:39 (1 week ago) Permalink

haven't read it, i noticed a lot of men disparaging it

regret it? nope. reddit? yep. (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 15:44 (1 week ago) Permalink

"I know long multiplication was taught in a radically different way back in the 70s. My own parents have told me. But please at least try to adopt the way it’s taught in today’s classroom when supporting your child at home"

wait, they've changed multiplication now?

koogs, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:25 (1 week ago) Permalink

are they talking about logarithm tables maybe?

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:28 (1 week ago) Permalink

Long multiplication is indeed taught differently now. it involves some kind of grid.

anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:30 (1 week ago) Permalink

apparently in the 70s they taught multiplication as repeated addition. the way i learnt it was the current way (despite that having been the 70s. lol, i r old.)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/ks2/maths/number/multiplication/read/4/ oh, is this what you mean? seems error-prone to me

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/ks2/maths/number/multiplication/read/5/ the PROPER way

then there's this
http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Multiply-Like-Chinese-the-easy-way-Fast-/

koogs, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 17:46 (1 week ago) Permalink

George Osborne ruined my yoga retreat

bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 23 July 2015 11:00 (1 week ago) Permalink

Beyond parody tbh.

Possibly Fingers (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 July 2015 11:11 (1 week ago) Permalink

That new way of multiplying stuff seems like madness. I mean, I can see how it would simplify the idea of it to people who are scared of numbers, but it's still just WRONG.

ailsa, Thursday, 23 July 2015 11:36 (1 week ago) Permalink

Charlotte and I have the same yoga teacher, who ran the retreat in Italy over two weeks (I was there in week one, Charlotte in week two).

The retreat was lovely - well organised and taught by a very dedicated teacher. Shame it had this tripe written about it - her anecdote of a practice promoting a 'kinder' self put in that context is a low point, particular to me and how I heard this talked about in a class. One of many low points, which are easier to point out. xp

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 23 July 2015 11:43 (1 week ago) Permalink

they fucked up adding too fyi xp

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Thursday, 23 July 2015 11:46 (1 week ago) Permalink

that yoga thing is fine, Charlotte Higgins is a perfectly fine writer, p sure she wrote it equipped with the self-awareness that the thick, boring twats btl were born missing

and she's baconing like she's never baconed before (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 23 July 2015 11:46 (1 week ago) Permalink

haha i just looked up the grid method and it's just a spatially intuitive way of diagramming the same shit? that's fine!!

number bonds can get bent tho

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Thursday, 23 July 2015 11:47 (1 week ago) Permalink

(notwithstanding any issues w/ the ethics of the practice, which are outside my field of knowledge)

and she's baconing like she's never baconed before (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 23 July 2015 11:47 (1 week ago) Permalink

the way of learning to spell by fonetic letter pronunciation is probably based on smart science, but when i hear my nephews say the letters as like "ooo" or whatever, i'm just like "ffs what have we become"

doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Thursday, 23 July 2015 12:40 (1 week ago) Permalink

One day, when I've left the Guardian, I shall offer my views on every single Guardian journalist named on this thread, for good or bad …

Roaming gang of aggressive circlepits (ithappens), Thursday, 23 July 2015 13:24 (1 week ago) Permalink

> it's just a spatially intuitive way of diagramming the same shit? that's fine!!

the final adding up needs you to copy all the info from the result boxes. the 'old' way they were all already aligned nicely to add up there and then.

koogs, Thursday, 23 July 2015 15:56 (1 week ago) Permalink

It is a prejudice of ours, for sure, but we expect bands featuring transgender musicians to be fringe sorts who make an avant-garde racket.

uh yes that is indeed a prejudice

Merdeyeux, Thursday, 23 July 2015 19:02 (1 week ago) Permalink

He is so awful. So, so awful.

I wear my Redditor loathing with pride (ShariVari), Thursday, 23 July 2015 19:11 (1 week ago) Permalink

my favourite thing about P Lester is that he shares an amalgamated amazon author page with the writer of erotica such as this:

pop addicts should "do their thing", whatever that may be (soref), Thursday, 23 July 2015 19:17 (1 week ago) Permalink

that yoga thing is fine, Charlotte Higgins is a perfectly fine writer, p sure she wrote it equipped with the self-awareness that the thick, boring twats btl were born missing

― and she's baconing like she's never baconed before (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 23 July 2015 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

everything is fine.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 24 July 2015 11:31 (1 week ago) Permalink

What does btl mean?

Possibly Fingers (Tom D.), Friday, 24 July 2015 11:37 (1 week ago) Permalink

below the line, ie comments

Credit: howtokeepapositiveattitudedotcom (stevie), Friday, 24 July 2015 11:37 (1 week ago) Permalink

I was thinking of Buy to Let!

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 24 July 2015 11:43 (1 week ago) Permalink

Bacon, tomato, lettuce.

Possibly Fingers (Tom D.), Friday, 24 July 2015 11:44 (1 week ago) Permalink

... that was on Channel 4 earlier this year I think.

Possibly Fingers (Tom D.), Friday, 24 July 2015 11:45 (1 week ago) Permalink

I don't even get what or who P. Lester has in mind wrt that line abt stereotypical trans music (which is about two years old for anyone who looked for it on today's page like I did)

Hector Ringtone (DJ Mencap), Friday, 24 July 2015 12:18 (1 week ago) Permalink

cindytalk or genesis p-orridge would fit his imaginary stereotype i guess?

feargal czukay (NickB), Friday, 24 July 2015 12:35 (1 week ago) Permalink


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