Patrick Kavanagh

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"He's the missing link between Heaney and O'Hara". I never thought I would see myself write that; perhaps it is false. But he is Heaney without the *strain*, and with other things added; and without some things (mainly political; also perhaps formal).

the finefox, Tuesday, 3 February 2004 12:19 (twenty years ago) link

Patrick Kielty?

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 12:28 (twenty years ago) link

I always loved this poem:

Stony Grey Soil by Patrick Kavanagh

O stony grey soil of Monaghan
The laugh from my love you thieved;
You took the gay child of my passion
And gave me your clod-conceived.

You clogged the feet of my boyhood
And I believed that my stumble
Had the poise and stride of Apollo
And his voice my thick tongued mumble.

You told me the plough was immortal!
O green-life conquering plough!
The mandril stained, your coulter blunted
In the smooth lea-field of my brow.

You sang on steaming dunghills
A song of cowards' brood,
You perfumed my clothes with weasel itch,
You fed me on swinish food

You flung a ditch on my vision
Of beauty, love and truth.
O stony grey soil of Monaghan
You burgled my bank of youth!

Lost the long hours of pleasure
All the women that love young men.
O can I stilll stroke the monster's back
Or write with unpoisoned pen.

His name in these lonely verses
Or mention the dark fields where
The first gay flight of my lyric
Got caught in a peasant's prayer.

Mullahinsa, Drummeril, Black Shanco-
Wherever I turn I see
In the stony grey soil of Monaghan
Dead loves that were born for me

Michael B, Tuesday, 3 February 2004 12:38 (twenty years ago) link

I like the one poem of his I remember, it's all about this bloke going off to spray really nasty pesticide on potatoes, and is therefore called "Spraying The Potatoes". But I hate poetry and was thus never moved to read anything more by him.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 13:06 (twenty years ago) link

I thought that poem was about disinfecting banknotes!

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 13:23 (twenty years ago) link

um surely yr not talking about frank o'hara!

etc, Tuesday, 3 February 2004 14:30 (twenty years ago) link

The Nipper is right. Paddy was performing a vital national service (there) by writing about something that was on the minds of all the young and thrusting and newly-earning professionals of 1940s Dublin who were after wondering what happened to their money after they deposited it.

I am talking about Frank. That's why I warned that the comparison was probably, or substantially, false, or misleading. I was just seeking a shorthand for grace.

(Also I like the idea of unveiling "the Irish Frank O'Hara". See also "the Italian Frank Sinatra"; "the Scandinavian Peggy Lee".)

the finefox, Tuesday, 3 February 2004 14:38 (twenty years ago) link

Markelby -- who is Patrick Kielty?

the finefox, Tuesday, 3 February 2004 14:44 (twenty years ago) link

he is a TV personality.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 15:03 (twenty years ago) link

So - what is he doing on this thread?

The Vicar, I have realized that you really are the new Myles na gC (and have e-mailed you about it).

the finefox, Tuesday, 3 February 2004 15:32 (twenty years ago) link

I am in truth disappointed at, or by, the response to this thread.

PK is not obscure.

the finefox, Tuesday, 3 February 2004 22:03 (twenty years ago) link

The Vicar, I have realized that you really are the new Myles na gC (and have e-mailed you about it).

unlike Myles I am illiterate in Irish and am showing no signs of writing great novels of our times. but I do my best.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 22:05 (twenty years ago) link

There was an excellent play based on Patrick Kavanagh's life called Tarry Flynn. I am unsure if Kavanagh himself invented the Tarry Flynn character.

I liked Patrick Kavanagh's work when I studied it, mind you as an Irish person and perhaps in the context of the rest of our course some of his themes are somewhat recurring. That sense of being disgruntled with the conservative Irish society of the time, and restricted by it, is quite common in Irish literature, I guess it's still relevent enough though.

(I was always very good at Irish, I am certainly not Myles Na gC either though)

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 22:17 (twenty years ago) link

No - you are not.

Did PK invent the TF character? I think so. Tell me if I am wrong.

If PK was less of a 'dissident' his work would in a way be agreeable, yes. But that's not especially what I like about it or why this thread. I have been somewhat... blissed out by his... words.

Let me try to find an example.

the finefox, Tuesday, 3 February 2004 22:25 (twenty years ago) link

Nineteen Fifty-Four hold on till I try

To formulate some theory about you. A personal matter:

My lamp of contemplation you sought to shatter,

To leave me groping in madness under a low sky.

O I wish I could laugh! O I wish I could cry!

the fourfox, Tuesday, 3 February 2004 22:25 (twenty years ago) link

No? How about this:

the bellefox, Tuesday, 3 February 2004 22:25 (twenty years ago) link

The barrels of blue potato-spray

Stood on a headland of July

Beside an orchard wall where roses

Were young girls hanging from the sky.

the blissfox, Tuesday, 3 February 2004 22:27 (twenty years ago) link

O I had a future

A future.

Gods of the imagination bring back to life

The personality of those streets,

Not any streets

But the streets of nineteen forty.

the finefox, Tuesday, 3 February 2004 22:28 (twenty years ago) link

he wrote tarry flynn didn't he?
anyway,search luke kelly singing raglan road

robin (robin), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 05:16 (twenty years ago) link

Raglan Road is a great song. Search also George Murphy singing Raglan Road (for Irish people who stay in on Sunday nights).

I've always liked Patrick Kavanagh. Also Austen Clarke. The Lost Heifer is one of my favourites.

I really like Canal Bank Walk by Kavanagh

Leafy-with-love banks and the green waters of the canal
Pouring redemption for me, that I do
The will of God, wallow in the habitual, the banal,
Grow with nature again as before I grew.
The bright stick trapped, the breeze adding a third
Party to the couple kissing on an old seat,
And a bird gathering materials for the nest for the Word
Eloquently new and abandoned to its delirious beat.
O unworn world enrapture me, encapture me in a web
Of fabulous grass and eternal voices by a beech,
Feed the gaping need of my senses, give me ad lib
To pray unselfconsciously with overflowing speech
For this soul needs to be honoured with a new dress woven
From green and blue things and arguments that cannot be proven.

The opening description of the banks being "leafy-with-love" is sensational.

There's a bronze statue of Kavanagh perched, sitting on a bench down by the canal in Dublin. I pass it almost every day and often doff my hat.

Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 14:26 (twenty years ago) link

Does anyone else like Frank O'Connor? I was thinking about The First Confession last night.

Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 14:27 (twenty years ago) link

The First Confession really is a brilliant story isn't it?

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 14:30 (twenty years ago) link

I hope the Finefox (when was this adapted as his chosen nom de plume?) doesn't hurt me for doing this but I'd like people to read it:

The First Confession by Frank O'Connor (Michael O'Donovan)

All the trouble began when my grandfather died and my grand-mother - my father's mother - came to live with us. Relations in the one house are a strain at the best of times, but, to make matters worse, my grandmother was a real old countrywoman and quite unsuited to the life in town. She had a fat, wrinkled old face, and, to Mother's great indignation, went round the house in bare feet-the boots had her crippled, she said. For dinner she had a jug of porter and a pot of potatoes with-some-times-a bit of salt fish, and she poured out the potatoes on the table and ate them slowly, with great relish, using her fingers by way of a fork.

Now, girls are supposed to be fastidious, but I was the one who suffered most from this. Nora, my sister, just sucked up to the old woman for the penny she got every Friday out of the old-age pension, a thing I could not do. I was too honest, that was my trouble; and when I was playing with Bill Connell, the sergeant-major's son, and saw my grandmother steering up the path with the jug of porter sticking out from beneath her shawl, I was mortified. I made excuses not to let him come into the house, because I could never be sure what she would be up to when we went in.

When Mother was at work and my grandmother made the dinner I wouldn't touch it. Nora once tried to make me, but I hid under the table from her and took the bread-knife with me for protection. Nora let on to be very indignant (she wasn't, of course, but she knew Mother saw through her, so she sided with Gran) and came after me. I lashed out at her with the bread-knife, and after that she left me alone. I stayed there till Mother came in from work and made my dinner, but when Father came in later, Nora said in a shocked voice: "Oh, Dadda, do you know what Jackie did at dinnertime?" Then, of course, it all came out; Father gave me a flaking; Mother interfered, and for days after that he didn't speak to me and Mother barely spoke to Nora.

And all because of that old woman ! God knows, I was heart-scalded. Then, to crown my misfortunes, I had to make my first confession and communion. It was an old woman called Ryan who prepared us for these. She was about the one age with Gran; she was well-to-do, lived in a big house on Montenotte, wore a black cloak and bonnet, and came every day to school at three o'clock when we should have been going home, and talked to us of hell. She may have mentioned the other place as well, but that could only have been by accident, for hell had the first place in her heart.

She lit a candle, took out a new half-crown, and offered it to the first boy who would hold one finger, only one finger! - in the flame for five minutes by the school clock. Being always very ambitious I was tempted to volunteer, but I thought it might look greedy. Then she asked were we afraid of holding one finger-only one finger! - in a little candle flame for five minutes and not afraid of burning all over in roasting hot furnaces for all eternity. "All eternity! Just think of that! A whole lifetime goes by and it's nothing, not even a drop in the ocean of your sufferings." The woman was really interesting about hell, but my attention was all fixed on the half-crown. At the end of the lesson she put it back in her purse. It was a great disappointment; a religious woman like that, you wouldn't think she'd bother about a thing like a half-crown.

Another day she said she knew a priest who woke one night to find a felllow he didn't recognise leaning over the end of his bed. The priest was a bit frightened, naturally enough but he asked the fellow what he wanted, and the fellow said in a deep, husky voice that he wanted to go to confession. The priest said it was an awkward time and wouldn't it do in the morning, but the fellow said that last time he went to confession, there was one sin he kept back, being ashamed to mention it, and now it was always on his mind. Then the priest knew it was a bad case, because the fellow was after making a bad confession and committing a mortal sin. He got up to dress, and just then the cock crew in the yard outside, and lo and behold! - when the priest looked round there was no sign of the fellow, only a smell of burning timber, and when the priest looked at his bed didn't he see the print of two hands burned in it? That was because the fellow had made a bad confession. This story made a shocking impression on me.

But the worst of all was when she showed us how to examine our conscience. Did we take the name of the Lord, our God, in vain? Did we honour our father and our mother? (I asked her did this include grandmothers and she said it did.) Did we love our neighbours as ourselves? Did we covet our neighbour 5 goods? (I thought of the way I felt about the penny that Nora got every Friday.) I decided that, between one thing and another, I must have broken the whole ten commandments, all on account of that old woman, and so far as I could see, so long as she remained in the house, I had no hope of ever doing anything else.

I was scared to death of confession. The day the whole class went, I let on to have a toothache, hoping my absence wouldn't be noticed, but at three o'clock, just as I was feeling safe, along comes a chap with a message from Mrs. Ryan that I was to go to confession myself on Saturday and be at the chapel for communion with the rest. To make it worse, Mother couldn't come with me and sent Nora instead.

Now, that girl had ways of tormenting me that Mother never knew of. She held my hand as we went down the hill, smiling sadly and saying how sorry she was for me, as if she were bringing me to the hospital for an operation.

"Oh, God help us!" she moaned. "Isn't it a terrible pity you weren't a good boy? Oh, Jackie, my heart bleeds for you! How will you ever think of all your sins? Don't forget you have to tell him about the time you kicked Gran on the shin."

Lemme go! " I said, trying to drag myself free of her. " I don't want to go to confession at all."

But sure, you'll have to go to confession, Jackie! she replied in the same regretful tone. "Sure, if you didn't, the parish priest would be up to the house, looking for you. 'Tisn't, God knows, that I'm not sorry for you. Do you remember the time you tried to kill me with the bread-knife under the table? And the language you used to me? I don't know what he'll do with you at all, Jackie. He might have to send you up to the bishop."

I remember thinking bitterly that she didn't know the half of what I had to tell-if I told it. I knew I couldn't tell it, and understood perfectly why the fellow in Mrs. Ryan's story made a

bad confession; it seemed to me a great shame that people wouldn't stop criticising him. I remember that steep hill down to the church, and the sunlit hillsides beyond the valley of the river, which I saw in the gaps between the houses like Adam's last glimpse of Paradise.

Then, when she had manoeuvred me down the long flight of steps to the chapel yard, Nora suddenly changed her tone. She became the raging malicious devil she really was.

"There you are ! "she said with a yelp of triumph, hurling me through the church door. "And I hope he'll give you the penitential psalms, you dirty little caffler."

I knew then I was lost, given up to eternal justice. The door with the coloured-glass panels swung shut behind me, the sunlight went out and gave place to deep shadow, and the wind whistled outside so that the silence within seemed to crackle like ice under my feet. Nora sat in front of me by the confession box. There were a couple of old women ahead of her, and then a miserable-looking poor devil came and wedged me in at the other side, so that I couldn't escape even if I had the courage. He joined his hands and rolled his eyes in the direction of the roof, muttering aspirations in an anguished tone, and I wondered had he a grandmother too. Only a grandmother could account for a fellow behaving in that heartbroken way, but he was better off than I, for he at least could go and confess his sins; while I would make a bad confession and then die in the night and be continually coming back and burning people's furniture.

Nora's turn came, and I heard the sound of something slamming, and then her voice as if butter wouldn't melt in her mouth, and then another slam, and out she came. God, the hypocrisy of women! Her eyes were lowered, her head was bowed, and her hands were joined very low down on her stomach, and she walked up the aisle to the side altar looking like a saint. You never saw such an exhibition of devotion; and I remembered the devilish malice with which she had tormented me all the way from our door, and wondered were all religious people like that, really. It was my turn now. With the fear of damnation in my soul I went in, and the confessional door closed of itself behind me. It was pitch-dark and I couldn't see priest or anything else. Then I really began to be frightened. In the darkness it was a matter between God and me, and He had all the odds. He knew what my intentions were before I even started; I had no chance. All I had ever been told about confession got mixed up in my mind, and I knelt to one wall and said: "Bless me, father, for I have sinned; this is my first confession." I waited for a few minutes, but nothing happened, so I tried it on the other wall. Nothing happened there either. He had me spotted all right.

It must have been then that I noticed the shelf at about one height with my head. It was really a place for grown-up people to rest their elbows, but in my distracted state I thought it was probably the place you were supposed to kneel. Of course, it was on the high side and not very deep, but I was always good at climbing and managed to get up all right. Staying up was the trouble. There was room only for my knees, and nothing you could get a grip on but a sort of wooden moulding a bit above it. I held on to the moulding and repeated the words a little louder, and this time something happened all right. A slide was slammed back; a little light entered the box, and a man's voice said "Who's there?"

"Tis me, father," I said for fear he mightn't see me and go away again. I couldn't see him at all. The place the voice came from was under the moulding, about level with my knees, so I took a good grip of the moulding and swung myself down till I saw the astonished face of a young priest looking up at me. He had to put his head on one side to see me, and I had to put mine on one side to see him, so we were more or less talking to one another upside-down. It struck me as a queer way of hearing confessions, but I didn't feel it my place to criticise.

"Bless me, father, for I have sinned ; this is my first confession" I rattled off all in one breath, and swung myself down the least shade more to make it easier for him.

"What are you doing up there?" he shouted in an angry voice, and the strain the politeness was putting on my hold of the moulding, and the shock of being addressed in such an uncivil tone, were too much for me. I lost my grip, tumbled, and hit the door an unmerciful wallop before I found myself flat on my back in the middle of the aisle. The people who had been waiting stood up with their mouths open. The priest opened the door of the middle box and came out, pushing his biretta back from his forehead; he looked something terrible. Then Nora came scampering down the aisle.

"Oh, you dirty little caffler! "she said. "I might have known you'd do it. I might have known you'd disgrace me. I can't leave you out of my sight for one minute."

Before I could even get to my feet to defend myself she bent down and gave me a clip across the ear. This reminded me that I was so stunned I had even forgotten to cry, so that people might think I wasn't hurt at all, when in fact I was probably maimed for life. I gave a roar out of me.

"What's all this about? "the priest hissed, getting angrier than ever and pushing Nora off me. "How dare you hit the child like that, you little vixen?"

"But I can't do my penance with him, father," Nora cried, cocking an outraged eye up at him.

"Well, go and do it, or I'll give you some more to do," he said, giving me a hand up. "Was it coming to confession you were, my poor man?" he asked me.

"'Twas, father," said I with a sob.

"Oh," he said respectfully, "a big hefty fellow like you must have terrible sins. Is this your first?"

'Tis, father," said I.

"Worse and worse," he said gloomily. "The crimes of a lifetime. I don't know will I get rid of you at all today. You'd better wait now till I'm finished with these old ones. You can see by the looks of them they haven't much to tell."

"I will, father," I said with something approaching joy.

The relief of it was really enormous. Nora stuck out her tongue at me from behind his back, but I couldn't even be bothered retorting. I knew from the very moment that man opened his mouth that he was intelligent above the ordinary. When I had time to think, I saw how right I was. It only stood to reason that a fellow confessing after seven years would have more to tell than people that went every week. The crimes of a lifetime, exactly as he said. It was only what he expected, and the rest was the cackle of old women and girls with their talk of hell, the bishop, and the penitential psalms. That was all they knew. I started to make my examination of conscience, and barring the one bad business of my grandmother, it didn't seem so bad.

The next time, the priest steered me into the confession box himself and left the shutter back, the way I could see him get in and sit down at the further side of the grille from me.

"Well, now," he said, "what do they call you?"

"Jackie, father," said I.

"And what's a-trouble to you, Jackie?"

Father," I said, feeling I might as well get it over while I had him in good humour, "I had it all arranged to kill my grandmother."

He seemed a bit shaken by that, all right, because he said nothing for quite a while.

"My goodness," he said at last, "that'd be a shocking thing to do. What put that into your head?"

Father," I said, feeling very sorry for myself, " she's an awful woman.

Is she? " he asked. " What way is she awful?

She takes porter, father," I said, knowing well from the way Mother talked of it that this was a mortal sin, and hoping it would make the priest take a more favourable view of my case.

"Oh, my ! " he said, and I could see he was impressed.

"And snuff, father," said I.

"That's a bad case, sure enough, Jackie," he said.

"And she goes round in her bare feet, father," I went on in a rush of self-pity, "and she knows I don't like her, and she gives pennies to Nora and none to me, and my da sides with her and flakes me, and one night I was so heart-scalded I made up my mind I'd have to kill her."

"And what would you do with the body? "he asked with great interest.

"I was thinking I could chop that up and carry it away in a barrow I have," I said.

"Begor, Jackie," he said, "do you know you're a terrible child?

"I know, father," I said, for I was just thinking the same thing myself. "I tried to kill Nora too with a bread-knife under the table, only I missed her."

Is that the little girl that was beating you just now?" he asked.

Tis, father."

"Someone will go for her with a bread-knife one day, and he won't miss her," he said rather cryptically. "You must have great courage. Between ourselves, there's a lot of people I'd like to do the same to, but I'd never have the nerve. Hanging is an awful death."

Is it, father? "I asked with the deepest interest-I was always very keen on hanging. "Did you ever see a fellow hanged?"

"Dozens of them," he said solemnly. "And they all died roaring."

"Jay ! " I said.

Oh, a horrible death ! " he said with great satisfaction.

"Lots of the fellows I saw killed their grandmothers too, but they all said 'twas never worth it."

He had me there for a full ten minutes talking, and then walked out the chapel yard with me. I was genuinely sorry to part with him, because he was the most entertaining character I'd ever met in the religious line. Outside, after the shadow of the church, the sunlight was like the roaring of waves on a beach; it dazzled me; and when the frozen silence melted and I heard the screech of trams on the road, my heart soared. I knew now I wouldn't die in the night and come back, leaving marks on my mother's furniture. It would be a great worry to her, and the poor soul had enough.

Nora was sitting on the railing, waiting for me, and she put on a very sour puss when she saw the priest with me. She was mad jealous because a priest had never come out of the church with her.

"Well," she asked coldly, after he left me, "what did he give you?"

"Three Hail Marys," I said.

"Three Hail Marys," she repeated incredulously. "You mustn't have told him anything."

"I told him everything," I said confidently.

"About Gran and all?"

"About Gran and all."

(All she wanted was to be able to go home and say I'd made a bad confession.)

"Did you tell him you went for me with the bread-knife?" she asked with a frown.

"I did to be sure."

"And he only gave you three Hail Marys?"

"That's all."

She slowly got down from the railing with a baffled air. Clearly, this was beyond her. As we mounted the steps back to the main road, she looked at me suspiciously.

"What are you sucking?" she asked. Bullseyes."

"Was it the priest gave them to you? 'Twas."

"Lord God," she wailed bitterly, "some people have all the luck! 'Tis no advantage to anybody trying to be good. I might just as well be a sinner like you."

Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 14:33 (twenty years ago) link

eight years pass...

ah jaysus that's grand, years since i read it.

banlieue jagger (darraghmac), Sunday, 23 December 2012 05:04 (eleven years ago) link

anyway, kavanagh, for me, will always be-

Inniskeen Road: July Evening

The bicycles go by in twos and threes -
There's a dance in Billy Brennan's barn tonight,
And there's the half-talk code of mysteries
And the wink-and-elbow language of delight.
Half-past eight and there is not a spot
Upon a mile of road, no shadow thrown
That might turn out a man or woman, not
A footfall tapping secrecies of stone.

I have what every poet hates in spite
Of all the solemn talk of contemplation.
Oh, Alexander Selkirk knew the plight
Of being king and government and nation.
A road, a mile of kingdom. I am king
Of banks and stones and every blooming thing.

banlieue jagger (darraghmac), Sunday, 23 December 2012 05:08 (eleven years ago) link

i like tarry flynn

buzza, Sunday, 23 December 2012 05:11 (eleven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv9YzTo8qOI

buzza, Sunday, 23 December 2012 05:19 (eleven years ago) link

Both Tarry Flynn and the above poem are great.

Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Sunday, 23 December 2012 10:02 (eleven years ago) link

two years pass...

I am in truth disappointed at, or by, the response to this thread.
PK is not obscure.

― the finefox

otm

post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Sunday, 8 March 2015 23:42 (nine years ago) link

well hes my favourite poet. i must get round to reading "tarry flynn" some day.

tayto fan (Michael B), Monday, 9 March 2015 00:21 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

I was in that rare book shop off Dawson St and saw a self portrait and twas no more than him writing around his writing, studied carelessness lyrically twining in and amongst scattered lines of his works, and it was sensational, sensuous stuff.

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Monday, 25 May 2015 22:36 (eight years ago) link

Self-Portrait (1964) [3]: ‘There are two kinds of simplicity, the simplicity of going away and the simplicity of return. The last is the ultimate in sophistication. In the final simplicity we don’t care whether we appear foolish or not. We talk of things that earlier would embarrass. We are satisfied with being ourselves, however small. So it was that on the banks of the Grand Canal between Baggot and Leeson Street bridges in the warm summer Of 1955, I lay and watched the green waters of the canal. I had just come out of hospital. I wrote: “Leafy-with-love banks and the green waters of the canal / Pouring redemption for me, that I do / The will of God, wallow in the habitual, the banal / Grow with nature again as before I grew.” And so in this moment of great daring I became a poet.’ (Self-Portrait, Dolmen Press 1964, p.25; A Poet’s Country: Selected Prose, ed. Antoinette Quinn, Lilliput Press 2003, pp.313-14.)

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Monday, 25 May 2015 22:39 (eight years ago) link

i must find and read collected prose by this man

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Monday, 25 May 2015 22:39 (eight years ago) link

five months pass...

Must say that inniskeen rd has been usurped by a good few of his poems since i posted it above.

Would rank Kavanagh an order above heaney but then im admittedly not a heaneyite at all at all

three years pass...

never a personal hero of mine but as a poet and all that a real treasure but todays revelations have taken it all away alas

gabbnebulous (darraghmac), Friday, 28 December 2018 11:52 (five years ago) link

I dunno, thats kinda hilarious

. (Michael B), Friday, 28 December 2018 12:11 (five years ago) link

yeah i might not be as gutted as i pretend

gabbnebulous (darraghmac), Friday, 28 December 2018 12:12 (five years ago) link


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