Peep Show (now with added Mitchell & Webb Look)

truly a marvy show.

The opening montage featuring a lovely 360 shot of Crouch End (spiritual home of ILX) confuses me.

Oh no, THAT was the bad thing!

Damn straight. It's fantastic, I loves it, it's gleefully unafraid of tackling the most outre subject matter but fucking funny with it, and I'm a kinda horrible blend of the two main characters which makes it doubly scary. More please.

bad thing...

Isn't that almost exactly what the Guardian called it?

Best Britcom since "French Fields"!

on ahd Tag, let's not go nuts huh? (Anton Rogers is the don)

Me and RickyT watched the third ep on Friday and LARFFED LIKE VERY GURGLY DRANES the entire way through, I must admit I missed the second ep though. Has anyone else taped it percharnce? I am 85% sure it is the best new programme since Delia but sadly it has no vampires.

The goth bonking moment was TOO CRINGEWORTHY. I was watching it too sober and too tired whilst doing laundry. All other parts of the show were great.

Tell you what, that Sophie chick is EVERYWHERE at the moment! In the Lotto advert... in er... well Lixi says she's in another advert... I'm surprised the rest of the Britcomedy mafioso haven't turned up - where are the scientists from Look Around You ect ect.

she's in the 'bev and kev' car insurance thing. she plays 'bev'.

andy

Hopefully we'll get a well promoted second series in the not too distant future. Really heartening, thoughtful stuff it was... and balances the darker elements with the amusing better than many, many comedies. Maybe even tonight's first 'Office' special, which while a very good, was awkward in its changing of a palette that worked. That made the documentary format much more of the focus, with the depictions of a celebrity Brent, and was an effective, but not very funny deviation from the original mise-en-scene. Imagine say if things got self-reverential with PS' characters drawing undue attention to their thoughts being on voiceover, verbally rather than in subtle reactions... "Peep Show" is very, very promising; some of the gags went into slightly dubious areas (shades of "Jam"... occasionally a propensity to go for shock at what-we're'-getting-away-with-on-National-TV) while adding really rather little and things can be patchy, but it had a fine success-failure ratio. Character and dialogue really have to be at the centre of these things, and the perspective filming I felt was largely entirely appropriate for the basis of this show. A really unexpected, hidden gem this... here's to the next series! :)

High expectations, anyone?

I must say I rated it very highly last time; only caveat being the obtrusively 'edgy', malcontented camera work. The material needed a more classic sitcom approach in this way; while I accept a lot was based around interior monologues, did the visuals have to be as self-conscious? A moot point, perhaps... I do feel it harmed it slightly but not irrevocably.

But yes: good actors (that's the key! nothing they do is stand-up mugging or 'routine') are the main pair, and gratifying underplaying in the wider ensemble - though I loved that rather exaggerated businessman grotesque, Johnson. Looking forward immensely to this returning. The new Peter Kay show is on before it in the schedules, also.

Friday's episode did impress me; a good deal of tenderness, and a commendable avoidance of obvious moves: unlike the preceeding "Max and Paddy's Road to Nowhere", which I hoped would have something of the Tinniswood Uncle Mort & Carter Brandon radio-travelogue about it... but that was sadly rather tired with its irrelevant 'parodies', 'ironic' musical telegraphing. It had potential, but lacked the poetry required; how much better those silhouetted "Dirty Dancing" parodies would have worked with the Ingmar Bergman, or Mike Leigh, silence behind them? Nothing too deep was wrung out of the situation; not enough absurdity, not enough muted feeling. Maybe it'll improve, but I'm skeptical.

"Peep Show" is sharper with the non sequitur, and actually manages to surprise a bit; 't plays often as an onanistic "Bottom" crossed with "The Office". Admittedly, I do have to agree with Jed that the Mark actor is the more skilled... v. good supporting cast; must say that Olivia Colman is right for that role.

An episode without the inner-monologues could be a masterstroke, actually; like moments in the "Office" Christmas Specials where inter-relations appeared so differently without the 'docu'-framing. Being so used to the show's conceit would make such an edition a different take on things, and add a bit more complexity: maybe change how we view the main characters, not being given their innermost thoughts, once in a way.

not sure who you mean at all here, but it was a good episode and v funny at times (certainly more than Max & Paddy)

their careers outside of peep show: that mitchell and webb look and the bobbins film magicians, david mitchell writes for the guardian and appears on panel shows, robert webb wrote for the telegraph, and wrote a memoir, appears on panel shows

Awful people?

their careers outside of peep show: that mitchell and webb look and the bobbins film magicians, david mitchell writes for the guardian and appears on panel shows, robert webb wrote for the telegraph, and wrote a memoir, appears on panel shows

Don't forget their ads for Barclays bank.

I recall some ridiculous "I bet they're fucking tories" talk upthread.

they'd both probably consider themselves sensible centrists; RW a confirmed blue labour blairite sort & I'd guess DM an old school liberal by inclination, but ofc in ilx discourse both of these = tory

"but ofc in ilx discourse both of these = tory"

I'd probably stop clicking on ILX if it didn't have any posters that didn't hate on these odious, unfunny smug-cunts. Yours, a barrel of laughter and self-confessed "comedy lover" and lover of laughing etc...

dm in real life is like mark corrigan minus the charisma

his recent memoir was featured on R4 last week, it sounded like some real trite and dull shit. And this wasn't coloured by my complete dislike of these 2. It was awful writing, honestly!

Whose memoir? I'm sure they've both written memoirs and, if not, will probably have dashed one off for the Christmas market by the end of this month. I suppose reading about their terrible struggles to make any sort of living from performing, acting, writing, journalism, appearing on panel shows etc might be insightful to some any person looking to follow them into the terribly tough dog-eat-dog world of the British media.

It was DM's, and he is dealing with his masculinity issues + his tough upbringing on the mean streets of Lincolnshire. It is very "edgy", well maybe shit is the right word!

You mean RW not DM. Sorry just saw an article about RW and masculinity being retweeted a lot recently.

er.. that'll be the one.

He is a terrible writer, so any plaudits he is getting for tackling "serious issues" in that book are seriously misguided imo.

Again with the "odious"

Thanking u all for coming into a thread dedicated to something you don't like and letting us all know that you don't like it. This is some hot content.

Actually I think the thread is primarily dedicated to something people do like

Yes, I do like Peep Show, I even quite liked That Mitchell and Webb Look, but these two, especially Mitchell, are only what's bleedin' wrong with this bleedin' country.

yeah I think Peep Show is incredible. I don't have much feeling about Webb but Mitchell is a fucking annoying bore.

I definitely find the "tellin' it like it is" rants annoying* but I've found enough of his soapbox videos interesting and funny. Totally disagreed with a few but I don't think they're all to be taken seriously.
Occasionally you find out something that seems uncharacteristic: he thinks people should fart in public without embarrassment and necrophilia doesn't really bother him.

*buy I hate anyone taking that tone regardless of what they're saying. Most people who've been given a weekly platform to rant are going to get on your nerves.

I liked Peep Show but it's depressing as fuck - comedy torture porn, almost.

I'll happily watch it in five-minute YouTube chunks, but I can't handle it as a binge show. The nihilism gets tedious.

To each their own, of course.

But it's interesting that M&W have such a cosy reputation based on this unredemptive and brutally sad show.

As their individual, mediocre BBC-panel-show dickishness, it's not my thing, but they don't really seem worth the energy of hate.

depends on whether you subscribe to a donaldonian view of finite hate energy or whether you find the occasional two minute hate energising

I come away from peep show feeling both indicted and better off--a bit like rubbing the knots out of your back, like I know I'm not as bad as these guys but I think everyone shares some traits w them, esp in the deception of self and others ... there's something so cleansing abt watching peep show, it's like seeing ppl for what they really are for half an hr

I don't know much about them beyond that except that the "are we the baddies?" Nazi skit is a classic and david mitchell's rant on bread on that quiz show made me laugh

Lads

I miss Super Hans.

I recall DM's op-eds being depressingly shit but PS is classic for sure, though it probably went on a series or two too long

overall peep show is uneven but ultra classic. I think david mitchell is watchable and can be funny in a one-note ranty way but there is something offputtingly complacent and defensive about him

dm in real life is like mark corrigan minus the charisma

this is kind of true, I think the writers saw him more clearly than he sees himself so there is strangely more awareness and fragility about mark than DM. equally I think RW doesn't get jez and as the show progressed and their antics got more outlandishly awful the lack of sympathy they both had for their characters made it more of a struggle imo

the idea of Jez being a centrist pundit is hysterical to me

Only met DM once but he was thoroughly likeable

ogmor that sounds extremely plausible re both of them xps

actually my other half worked with them and has only nice things to say about them. but yknow they're Oxbridge so obv the root of all evil.

xp Ogmor I'd agree re Jez. Mark and the vanity publishing didn't ring true either. Other than that I thought they'd drawn quite a clever line wrt his self-awareness/total cluelessness

this show is weak. should be happy it exists but it's meh at best so far

Love Mitchell's crazy laugh in the rare times you hear it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxjXAb9LQlc

Something I'd nearly forgotten from the first times I'd watched Peepshow was how astonished and distracted I was by Mitchell's eyes, how big and black they were. Like Bad Cooper but bigger.

this show is weak. should be happy it exists but it's meh at best so far

Objectively wrong

not sure if it's been mentioned but RW's book is the number 1 selling non fiction hardback book in the Uk.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJWN7jgX0AAoxRp.jpg

well, look at the fucking state of that lot. You can only read a finite amount of books in a lifetime, folks. Choose wisely!

Circa - yeah I was wrong. This has grown on me

I generally have an instant annoyance of animal-related storylines in sitcoms. (Same with Mummy the dog in Peep Show). So I'd rather it did without that, or maybe I'm just dead inside.

I loved the Mummy plot.

https://i.imgur.com/6ECdo6p.png

"back" is pretty enjoyable so far

that was the last one, wasn't it? (the cancer test one).

This is pretty brutal https://t.co/e0SFKXAQol pic.twitter.com/2whBIrMgZG

— Tom Gara (@tomgara) March 7, 2022

I wonder how much of this is just bluster and how much reflects how people would actually act in that situation, it reminded me the Peep Show episode where Mark and Jez talk about whether they would have joined the resistance had they been in nazi-occupied France

Mark: I dunno, Jeremy. It would have been a terribly difficult time, but I would probably have kept my head down.
Jeremy: You're kidding! I totally would have joined up.
Mark: That's very easy to say, Jeremy, but you would have risked death not just for yourself but for your family.
Jeremy: I'd probably have just got on a train to Berlin and taken Hitler down. Boof, the whole thing's over.
Mark: Well, I guess we'll never know for sure.
Jeremy: Oh, I know. I definitely know. No question about it.
Mark: Well, congratulations. You would have been a brave, brave man.
Jeremy: I can't believe you wouldn't be in the Resistance with me. I'm really disappointed in you.

obviously Jeremy is not any braver than Mark, he's just has a more conceited, less realistic self-image - but maybe the person with the deluded self-image is more likely to actually do the heroic thing when the moment comes because they've rhetorically backed themselves into a corner, whereas the self-critical person is more likely to not do the heroic thing because they're already prepared to do that, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy? Being constantly self-critical can make you a bad person because you have a ready made explanation/excuse whenever you do bad things?

(I guess the difference is that joining the resistance would have been unarguably the morally right thing to do, but whether staying to fight for the US would be the right thing to do is more ambiguous?)

jeremy would, of course, have run like hell and/or become an informer

relaxing video of los dude bros coming to life:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnshhIWdEfk

It's so weird, my first reaction was, huh, Peep Show is still on? Then my second reaction was to look up when it stopped airing. Then my third reaction was to try and determine if we've seen every season, and ... I don't know! It's been so long I can't remember if we ever finished it, but reading the episode descriptions is no help at all. Maybe we did? Maybe we didn't? Were there really *9* seasons? No idea! I could have sworn we stopped at 5, which for some reason I thought was the end, but scanning the summaries I think we went past there, but no idea how far. Might have to start over. Or maybe just pretend we finished and thought it was all very funny.

I feel like the 'Mark and Jez eat a dog' season is where a lot of people understandably jumped off the train but it's worth hopping back on because it did quickly and admirably redeem that epic misstep imo.

It's solidly funny all the way to the end imo

There’s a lot of great episodes from the later seasons, like when Mark finally publishes Business Secrets of the Pharaohs—a rare example where Jez is the (relatively) sane one and Mark is unhinged. Or "Chairman Mark", which has a great election speech from Mark as he tries to become chairman of the freehold committee (tho as an American, I’m not really sure what that means… like being on a condo board, maybe?)

It's a shame people remember the dog eating episode mainly for the dog eating, this scene from the same episode has one of the series greatest ever lines

"Unfilled?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkjeorS12F0

good timing, I decided to watch Back this week. it starts off really badly imo. was really jarring to see them basically playing the same characters in what starts off as quite a lame trad sitcom with trad sitcom jokes. it gets better after about 3 episodes, but apparently because it got cancelled they never resolve anything, but am going to finish it anyway

re Peep Show, I did have the impression it started sucking after about series 5 but I rewatched it last week before watching Back and it's actually still quite funny most of the time and some of the episodes I don't like are in the early seasons - I think my least favourite one is the one in the gym where they accuse that guy of shitting in the pool and touching up Mark.

I looked up the guy that wrote Back when I was hating it and he also wrote the Peep Show episode where Mark gets raped which was another low point.

What I did notice was both Peep Show and Back have the same bullshit nonsense about tracking people's IP addresses which just isn't how this works but strangely the Back guy didn't write that episode.