can anyone give me details about the feud b/w bea arthur and betty white

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more details the better.

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 5 July 2003 22:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

it all started with this

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 5 July 2003 23:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

from the golden girls faq:

Q: Is there really a rivalry between Betty White and Bea Arthur?

Answer: Not exactly. Bea just never really appealed to Betty. There has never been a such thing as an all out 'feud' between the two.

from e! online gossip q&a:

From beckhansen: Okay, I know your editor's gonna hate me for asking this, but I read your reply from several weeks back about Bea Arthur and Betty White. Any more news on this "Golden" feud?

Yes, last night I had dinner with the best friend of one of the Golden Girls--don't tell my short, gruff boss Lew--and even though I was sworn to secrecy, I can tell you that the animosity between Betty and Bea was not the only animosity on the set, and that was due partly to Betty being such a Goody Two-shoes.


from alt.gossip.celebrities:

Subject: Re: Betty White vs. Bea Arthur?
Date: 1999/08/23

The master of all I see recently wrote:

>Okay. I just read a post that Betty White and Bea Arthur can't stand each
>other. This is news to me. Does anyone have any information on this alleged
>feud? How did it start, and have either of them ever said anything publicly
>about the other?

All I've heard was that Betty is accused of being a
goody-two-shoes, though that hardly seems like enough
to create a feud over.

But the hatred is real. At one point Bea allegedly went into
Betty's dressing room---and shat in the middle of her floor.

response:
I read the same story, in Billy Master's gossip column which was carried in several gay magazines before he went online (he's the Filth2go guy).

someone else said that Ted Casablanca from E! online also hinted at this story.

from A&U Magazine:

[Asked her feelings on Betty White] Bea leans forward, eyes me directly, smiles wide, which I think is going to break into a laugh, and so I begin to laugh. Instead, her eyes moisten, she turns her body completely away from me, then puts her hand up and with a quiver in her voice says, "Next." She is stricken momentarily with emotion. I pause."

hope this helps, AE!


chaki (chaki), Saturday, 5 July 2003 23:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

Is Betty Blanche, then or the cranky (really) old (short) one?

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 5 July 2003 23:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

Betty White is probably best recognized for her role on the hit comedy series, "The Golden Girls" (1985-1992), in which she portrayed the character of Rose Nylund, a lovable, but naive farm girl. Betty's portrayal of the innocent Scandanavian nit-wit garnered much acclaim. She was nominated for six Emmy awards for Outstanding Lead Actress in a Comedy Series (winning in 1986), and three Golden Globe Awards.

Name: Rose Lindstrom Nylund

Hometown: St. Olaf, Minnesota. St. Olaf is a small, rural, farming town with Scandananavian origins where cows, pigs and chickens rule (literally--a horse was once accidenally elected town water commissioner for a brief period of time). Everything in St. Olaf is backwards from what one would normally expect. For example, a circus starring herring (coincidentally, most traditional St. Olafian dishes revolve around herring).
Now Resides in: Miami, Florida in a one-story contemporary home shared by three other women, Blanche Devereaux (the owner of the house), the resident man-trap (or is that tramp?), Dorothy Zborkak, a tall, divorced, substitute teacher, and Dorothy's quick-witted, Sicilian, 80-plus-year-old mother, Sophia Petrillo.

Occupation: Grief Counselor. Rose has also worked for television consumer protection reporter, Enrique Maas, by testing out products. Come to think of it, she has also worked as a production assistant (?) for a local Miami television show. Is it just me, or is anyone else confused by when Rose does what job? There doesn't seem to be any defining start or finish to any of them.

Marital Status: Widowed. Her beloved husband, Charile, had a heart attack and died while he and Rose were making love (coincidentally, the same thing happens in episode #15, "In a Bed of Rose's"). Throughout most of the show's seven-year run, Rose had a steady relationship with a somewhat nerdy university professor (no kidding), Miles.

Rose Is Best Known for: Her long, drawn-out St. Olaf stories (or as Dorothy refers to them--"Damn St.Olaf Stories"), which almost always begin with "Back in St. Olaf..." and never fail to garner sighs, rolling eyes, and here-we-go-agains from her fellow housemates. Most stories involve herring, cows, pigs, chickens and/or butter churns.

chaki (chaki), Saturday, 5 July 2003 23:37 (10 years ago) Permalink

At one point Bea allegedly went into
Betty's dressing room---and shat in the middle of her floor.

I really, really didn't need to know this.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 6 July 2003 00:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

Really? I was just wondering how I'd ever got by without knowing this.

Matt (Matt), Sunday, 6 July 2003 01:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

OMG i love betty white!! bea arthur is a fucking BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if i were betty i would have kicked that horse-faced slut in her skanky dried up old crotch!!!!!!!!!! go betty!!!!!!!!!

jewelly (jewelly), Sunday, 6 July 2003 01:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

:mad:

Mike Hanle y (mike), Sunday, 6 July 2003 04:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

jewelly, I'm surprised. Bea just seems like she's so much more your speed. See, Betty White wouldn't think it is at all funny that you don't have a clitoris and you shit when you come. Bea Arthur would appreciate it, though. And yes, she's a bitch. But at least she's not a goody-two-shoes.

Rufus Wainwright tells about meeting Bea Arthur, and telling her that in one of his songs, he fantasized about her being his gramma. Her response: "I'm not your fucking grandmother." And walk away.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 6 July 2003 04:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

i want more nasty bea arthur stories, i love her.

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 6 July 2003 05:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

This is hillarious. My step-grandmother is a lot like Bea Arthur in appearance and attitude - she's one tough cookie and I adore her. I didn't know that Bea Arthur was such a - well - bitch before. I think I love her even more. I always wanted to strange that Minnesotan character - though as for the actress, well, I don't know anything Betty White, except that she does come across as being annoyingly cute.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Sunday, 6 July 2003 05:48 (10 years ago) Permalink

more Bea Arthur bitch stories please!

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 6 July 2003 07:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

Betty White rocked on "Match Game" and "The Mary Tyler Moore Show".

:)

Innocent Dreamer (Dee the Lurker), Sunday, 6 July 2003 07:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

I loved her in 'The Mary Tyler Moore Show'. She was evil.

estela (estela), Sunday, 6 July 2003 07:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

She was a seductress, not at all like the Rose Nylund character she's best known for. She was sorta like the antithesis to the wholesome innocence of Mary Richards.

Innocent Dreamer (Dee the Lurker), Sunday, 6 July 2003 07:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

I love it when people are nasty to Rufus Wainwright! Go Bea!

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 6 July 2003 07:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

I heard that Bea Arthur shat in one of Betty's shoes.

Also Bea is quoted as saying of her co-stars "X was fabulous, Y was divine and Z was a complete fucking cunt".

Z was Betty.

I love Bea.

j0e (j0e), Sunday, 6 July 2003 10:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

These Bea Arthur/Betty White shenadgians are amusing. I think the show could have done with a bit of this nastiness - I thought the Golden Girls was really boring when I was younger and would wish when it was on Channel 4 that they would show more weirdo Russian/Czech/East German animation in its place. Actually, the Golden Girls done in a "Worker And Parasite" style would be amazing. LIKE SO:

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[EVERYTHING IS DRAWN IN A SCRATCHY WHITE-ON-BLACK STYLE. BETTY WHITE IS COOKING POTATOES, AND IS A GIANT ANTHROPOMORPHIC HEN. BETTY TAKES ONE POTATO AND CRACKS IT OPEN LIKE AN EGG. CLOSE UP OF WEEPING FACES SLIDING OUT OF IT INTO A FRYING PAN. CUT TO BEA ARTHUR COMING THROUGH THE KITCHEN DOOR. SHE IS BALD AND HOLDS A SMALL COCKROACH-MAN IN HER HANDS, WHICH IS GAGGED AND IS TRYING TO BREATHE]

BEA: Oh my hen wife, will you ever buy me creamed rice?
BETTY: Creamed rice is a tool of Western propaganda. Shut up and eat your boiled potato.
BEA: Gahhhhhhhhhhh!

[CUT TO BEA'S HEAD ROLLING OFF HER NECK AND THUMPING ON THE FLOOR. BETTY SCREAMS. JUMP CUT TO BETTY IDLY CLUCKING A HAPPY SONG AS SHE WASHES PLATES. BEA HAS HER HEAD BACK ON, AND IS SQUEEZING THE COCKRAOCH-MAN. FADE OUT, AND BACK INTO SUBTITLE: "WHY MUST WE ALL DIE?"]

(© 1972 StateFilm Animation Studio)

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But anyway. I remember a spoof of the show on Naked Video back in around about 1989 which amused me at the time - Helen Lederer was the cranky grandmother one, some bloke playted Bea Arthur. The fact that it was a bloke playing Bea was the whole point of the sketch, and everyone tried to get him to own up to the fact he was a man. Eventually after they'd all given up, Helen Lederer casually goes "So, how high can you pee against a wall?" "Oh, about 6 foot on a good day... SHIT!"

Chriddof (Chriddof), Sunday, 6 July 2003 13:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

Betty White was also that cantankerous (one of my all-time favorite words, it sounds so much like its meaning) old bat who kept getting in everybody's way in 'Hard Rain'.

Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Sunday, 6 July 2003 13:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

jewelly, I'm surprised. Bea just seems like she's so much more your speed.

Yeah, Kenan, but Betty is HAWT.

jewelly (jewelly), Sunday, 6 July 2003 13:45 (10 years ago) Permalink

Okay - I need to look at some more of Betty White's roles, it's plainly clear to see that I am missing out on a lot.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Sunday, 6 July 2003 16:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

go to Mary Tyler Moore, Match Game PM, and St. Elsewhere for good stuff

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 6 July 2003 21:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

Thank you, James - I'd forgotten about Mary Tyler Moore - the others are new to me, though.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Sunday, 6 July 2003 22:22 (10 years ago) Permalink

Did Betty White ever sing Brecht/Weill songs?

rosemary (rosemary), Sunday, 6 July 2003 22:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

bea arthur is gawd.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 6 July 2003 23:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

Not as far as I know Rosemary, not that I'm any kind of authority on the matter, and neither did her recently late cousin Barry.

You may have been confusing Betty with one of the names in Brecht & Weill's 'Mack The Knife':

Pearly White.

Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Sunday, 6 July 2003 23:02 (10 years ago) Permalink

Well Bea Arthur was DEFINITELY in "The Threepenny Opera" so therefore, BA > BW.

rosemary (rosemary), Sunday, 6 July 2003 23:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

Not to mention the Star Wars Xmas Special...

Nicole (Nicole), Sunday, 6 July 2003 23:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, and Betty White never sang with Rock Hudson a song about drugs.

rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 7 July 2003 01:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'm slightly disturbed by the level of knowledge of trivia being displayed on this thread. I'm more disturbed that I'm enjoying it.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Monday, 7 July 2003 03:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

There's no Betty White equivalent for the phrase "I wouldn't fuck her with Bea Arthur's dick."

rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 7 July 2003 03:41 (10 years ago) Permalink

*choke* Wow. Thanks. That's a delightfully vivid image. But I would have preferred somethe more pleasant to go to sleep listening to, I think.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Monday, 7 July 2003 03:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

Betty White never did the Urkel.

Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 7 July 2003 20:05 (10 years ago) Permalink

At least, not live on national television.

Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 7 July 2003 20:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

Are you certain?

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Monday, 7 July 2003 20:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

I love it when people are nasty to Rufus Wainwright!

It's a fine and good thing, it is.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 July 2003 21:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

Betty White is also occasionally on That 70s Show as Mrs Foreman's mother, and she plays a bitch there too.

nickn (nickn), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 00:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

Bea Arthur rocked presenting that award with that sea lion...or was it an ourang-utang? this was the Oscars i think

Betty White had a cameo in The Simpsons not so long ago that was amusing ("if you're watching this channel without donating you're nothing but thieves")

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 08:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

6 years pass...

Your Favorite Saturday Night Thing (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 00:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

See, Betty White wouldn't think it is at all funny that you don't have a clitoris and you shit when you come. Bea Arthur would appreciate it, though.

Dear lord what does this mean?

we are normal and we want our freedom (Abbott), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 05:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

A friend of mine made me watch "Lake Placid" last week because, in it, Betty White feeds cattle to a giant CGI alligator. This is about 0.4% of the film time.

we are normal and we want our freedom (Abbott), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 05:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

I kind of get what K meant, which I think worries me.

hulk would smash (Trayce), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 09:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

Derelict, Sunday, 4 April 2010 19:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

FWIW, Bea Arthur nude 'shops outnumber Betty 'shops by about 5:1.

Derelict, Sunday, 4 April 2010 19:21 (4 years ago) Permalink


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