― curious, Friday, 25 April 2003 12:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
[mod, please lock thread].
― RJG (RJG), Friday, 25 April 2003 12:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 25 April 2003 12:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 25 April 2003 12:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― kate, Friday, 25 April 2003 12:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Friday, 25 April 2003 13:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gareth (gareth), Friday, 25 April 2003 13:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― di smith (lucylurex), Friday, 25 April 2003 13:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 25 April 2003 13:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
― kate, Friday, 25 April 2003 13:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 25 April 2003 13:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nick A. (Nick A.), Friday, 25 April 2003 13:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
― kate, Friday, 25 April 2003 13:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 25 April 2003 13:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
(and why the fuck doesn't conversation about him stay on ILM?)
― Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 25 April 2003 13:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 25 April 2003 13:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
i agree
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 25 April 2003 13:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 25 April 2003 13:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 25 April 2003 13:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
http://www.remax.no/bilder/geir.karlstad.JPG
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 25 April 2003 13:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
― buttch (Oops), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
It's fairly obvious who the troll I am unable to avoid feeding is. I really don't know why I bother. I suppose because it's quite fun in a carcrash way to poke him and see the bizarre ways in which he will respond.
― kate, Friday, 25 April 2003 14:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
However, I am still quite perplexed on his "Kate is a sexist" paradox. He objectifies women, and it's offensive. I objectify men and it's somehow not. Why is that?
I can qualify why my "I got shagged so hard I couldn't walk" thread was not sexist - it was about consensual sex between two adults within the context of a good relationship as opposed to a bad one. That thread was all about context.
But what is the difference between my Julian's Ass threads and his threads that make me want to claw my own uterus out? I'm trying to confront my own attitudes and challenge my own preconceptions (which in his clumbsy way, I suppose, is what he thinks he's trying to do) but all I can come up with is the unshakable belief that somehow "It's funny when I do it, and offensive when he does it." Why is that?
― Kate, Friday, 25 April 2003 14:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
What I'm asking is, why is his sexism so bloody offensive, while mine is seen as OK, or even funny or charming?
I keep trying to justify myself, saying "Oh, but my rants about JC or whoever are actually knowing parodies of the typical sexist male gaze" but in truth, there's more to it than that. I really *am* a sexist.
― kate, Friday, 25 April 2003 14:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
The cult of Geir ..is so because he manages to position himself in a music corner that is totally out of connection with the diverse music population of ILM, it's not a few but most that disagree with him.
Therefore Geir has become a circus freak show open to ridicule. As Ned as noted before, Geir has been on the melodic music agenda on the web since mid 90s, he ain't going to change ...
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
and I don't see c4lum's as so bloody offensive.
― RJG (RJG), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
Maybe I'm misreading what happened, and I was being poked with a sharp stick in the way that I've been poking C*l*m, but I don't think so.
― kate, Friday, 25 April 2003 14:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
the statscock can't disprove my opinion : (
― RJG (RJG), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
http://www.costumes-4-halloween.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/21001PureEvilBS.jpg
― Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
He's incredibly ignorable. I don't read his posts, I read all the people responding to him instead!
Calum = idjit. Kate = rah! :-)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 25 April 2003 15:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nick A. (Nick A.), Friday, 25 April 2003 15:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 25 April 2003 17:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
― slutsky (slutsky), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan I., Friday, 25 April 2003 18:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
― slutsky (slutsky), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
― buttch (Oops), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
jess might do it with some elfin magick
It helps that he is every second or third posts on threads. And each one says the same thing.
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
― di smith (lucylurex), Saturday, 26 April 2003 01:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Chris V. (Chris V), Saturday, 26 April 2003 01:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― the pinefox, Saturday, 26 April 2003 10:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
I can't type properly today. This is encouraging.
RJG / you're the one for me.
― the pinefox, Saturday, 26 April 2003 10:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 26 April 2003 10:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
I thought about this, too, because I feel the same way- Kate's Julian stuff is endlessly entertaining to me, but C*lum makes me ashamed to own Blur records (yeah, yeah, like I needed yet another reason, etc) Apart from the reasons Martin noted, I also have to admit that it's a simple fact that wit goes a long long way- at first I thought that any ILX thread by a male centered around the dilemma of hating The Yeah Yeah yeah's music but loving Karen's ass would be offensive and repugnant to me, but then I thought, wait, what if it were a thread by Dan Perry?
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 26 April 2003 12:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 26 April 2003 12:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 26 April 2003 12:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
I think that says it all. And the talk of me being a misogynist made her laugh loudly.
― Calz (Calz), Sunday, 25 May 2003 14:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 25 May 2003 14:04 (twenty years ago) link
HAHAHAHAHA GO BLOW ONE FUCKNUTS.
― Calz (Calz), Sunday, 25 May 2003 14:07 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 25 May 2003 14:07 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 25 May 2003 14:12 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 25 May 2003 14:13 (twenty years ago) link
One day you will learn the art of winding people up, and why posts on a message forum do not equal or reflect the same person. Do you come out of a Cronenberg movie wanting to see him locked in prison as a danger to society?
― Calz (Calz), Sunday, 25 May 2003 14:15 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 25 May 2003 14:18 (twenty years ago) link
Calum most of us grew out of thinking of this as an "art" shortly after we turned twenty.
posts on a message forum do not equal or reflect the same person
keep telling yourself that.
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 25 May 2003 14:25 (twenty years ago) link
through the teeth she'd cracked when she "fell down some stairs" back when you guys were dating
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 25 May 2003 14:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Calz (Calz), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:57 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:58 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:59 (twenty years ago) link
Sock puppets are very cooperative that way.
― Nicole (Nicole), Sunday, 25 May 2003 16:49 (twenty years ago) link
back to your RealDoll now Calum, she's calling you
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 25 May 2003 17:17 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 25 May 2003 17:21 (twenty years ago) link
― ron (ron), Sunday, 25 May 2003 17:23 (twenty years ago) link
- sung by "Ruffus", music: Vaiko Eplik, lyrics: Vaiko Eplik
Thought you had it comingNow you really, really just don't knowIt seems you make a deal far too big outta thisYou thought that you'd done itYeah, you thought that you had heard it allBut the state of things is putting you down now just because
You know they say it's just the eighties coming backCan you feel it?It's the eighties coming backYeah, I know it's just the eighties comingEighties coming, eighties comingEighties coming back
You said "Let's do it""Let's take it out and dance all night"But those deep synthesizer sounds freak you outNow you wake up in the middle of the nightIn terror and all you do is cryCold sweat, a cup of tea, nothing seems to help you through the nightMy god!
Now it feels just like the eighties coming backCan you feel it?It's the eighties comingYeah, I know it's just the eighties comingEighties coming, eighties comingEighties coming back
Yeah, you thought you had it comingBut now it looks like you didn't know thisBut everybody's wearing their hair the way you did 15 years agoAnd it makes you wanna cry
Oh it feels just like the eighties coming backCan you feel it?It's the eighties comingYeah, I know it's just the eighties comingEighties coming, eighties comingEighties coming back
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 25 May 2003 18:37 (twenty years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:22 (twenty years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:23 (twenty years ago) link
Anyhow Pashmina tell me about this extension on the house if you feel like it, I am keen to hear
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 25 May 2003 20:17 (twenty years ago) link
Er ahem, jill's stepmum died and left us some money, so we decided to build this extension. Our house is a 2-bedroom end terrace, and the bathroom is a single-storey lean-to. Ever since we moved in, we thought about adding an extra room above this, and when we had adam, it was hard for jill to do any work (she is an artist, & needs space to work - i have my music stuff in thee attic, which is unsuitable for artwork) so anyway, we had this money, and we though abt moving elsewhere in our village, b/c having the builders in is obviously a hassle, and very messy, plus perhaps we could move somewhere w/a garden as well, but house prices are rising really quickly, so we couldn't afford it. When jill got the money through, it was a no-brainer really. Three things to be aware of:
1/ it will cost a *lot* more than you expect.
2/ the builder might claim that he will leave no mess. he is lying.
3/ despite this it us well worth it
our extension work consisted ov underpinning the lean-to (it had no foundation) removing the original roof, stripping out everything, building the thing itself (breezeblock inner wall, stone outer wall - our house is stone, and obv it had to match) building the roof and then making the new room inside. We also had them re-roof one side of our main roof. It took abt 10 weeks, and cost 17k uk pounds. Without inheritance money we could NEVER have afforded it!
The mess was INCREDIBLE, i mean plaster dust and shit got EVERYWHERE, plus the house is over 100 yrs old, so there was all this long-accumulated horrible black grime, a little of which went a LONG way. At one point we just gave up cleaning up after them, b/c the net day, it would look like you hadn't bothered. Really, I can't exaggerate the sheer messiness of the process. Everything you own will get covered in muck, unless you actually move it eslewhere. The best bit, though, was when I got home after work one evening, and they'd reached the point where they'd built the new roof, and removed the old ceiling, so I got in, stepped into the hall, and it's like:
me: blimey, it's a bit cold in here!jill: look up.
So I look up, and there's this HUGE space above my head, like a hollowed-out 2-storey buiding, with the roof beams visible at the top. I went into the bathroom, which is on the ground floor, next to the front door, and i saw the walls, with no ceiling, and the outside wall of the house, that we'd got used to seeing, now inside. It was really disorienting, but in a good & fascinating way.
Having the builders in the house is intrusive, undoubtedly. Very much so, and b/c of this, your impressions of what kind of people they are are very important. You, and/or yr S.O. will have to semi-live w/these people for as long as the process takes. You like a lie in on certain days of the week? Be sure that on that day, a chippy and a couple of roofers WILL turn up for work early. You like walking round the house nekkid or partially clad? Not for the next couple of months you won't! And so it goes on. I dunno if yr part of m/f or m/m relationship, but if m/f, the way in ehich they relate to you vs yr s.o. can be kind of entertaining, once you get used to it. With jill, they were INCREDIBLY shy & self-effacing! Like:
jill: would you like some tea?builders: (staring at boots) barely audible mutter in affirrmative
still, it is intrusive, and you will get irritated, certainly.
It has been worth it for us, the builders did a really excellent job, and our new room looks not like an add-on, but like an original part of the house. It's really great haveing an extra room, if yer cramped. The minute we stood in our new room, after they'd finished, we knew that even tho' it had cost us loads, it was well worth it.
ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL is to a/get quotes from many, many builders. It isn't just about the quote, it's about sizing up the builders themselves (do not be suprised when some of them can't be bothered to actually give you a quote) and most of all b/seek out as many people as you possibly can who have had building work done. Who is good, who bad etc. ours had a really good rep, and tho he wasn't the cheapest, he did such a good job that we're really glad we went w/him.
Ask me whatever you want j d, and i'll try my best to answer it.
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 25 May 2003 20:54 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 25 May 2003 21:15 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 26 May 2003 00:24 (twenty years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 26 May 2003 00:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 26 May 2003 21:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 26 May 2003 23:14 (twenty years ago) link
― Frühlingsmute (Wintermute), Monday, 26 May 2003 23:18 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 May 2003 23:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 26 May 2003 23:23 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 May 2003 23:28 (twenty years ago) link
Though Poetic Artifice adheres to the conventions of a text that can be re-used by members of the academy, there are moments when Forrest-Thomson's skill as an experimental poet, along with her occasional wit, lift the writing and theory itself beyond the level of disinterested speculation, engaging the reader — should the reader be a poet — in what is serious shop-talk.
― Matt (Matt), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 00:26 (twenty years ago) link
C) I like Geir more than Dom.
-- Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 16 February 2006 01:24 (1 year ago) Bookmark Link
:-(
― Dom Passantino, Friday, 23 November 2007 21:37 (sixteen years ago) link
Sterling OTM.
― The Reverend, Friday, 23 November 2007 21:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Why ~did~ people get so excited abt heir?
― MONKEY had been BUMMED by the GHOST of the late prancing paedophile (darraghmac), Friday, 27 November 2015 00:23 (eight years ago) link
It's been sorted. Mods, lock thread.
― Treeship, Friday, 27 November 2015 00:25 (eight years ago) link