Tip Jar Conundrum

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So I'm in school and supporting myself with a coffee shop job and, without that tip jar income, it would be a real struggle for me to raise enough money to put bread on the table and still have enough left over to go out and get sloppy sloppy drunk on weekends.

And yet, as important as that tip jar is to the maintenance of my lifestyle, I find it's very existence repugnant. All I'm doing is pouring over-priced coffee. How dare I charge you two and a half bucks for a cup of steamed milk with caffeine and then demand that you shell out even MORE money to express your gratitude for this service? I'm not even a very pleasant counter person -- I despise most of our customers! I despise the ones who tip me because I think, "You smug rich moron, why are you tipping me?" And when they don't tip me I think, "You smug rich asshole, would fifty extra cents break your bank account??"

So I guess what I'm asking is, do you tip in coffee shops? And if so, how do you feel about it? And if not, why are you such an asshole?

jewelly (jewelly), Sunday, 13 April 2003 04:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't really tip often in coffee shops, which is pretty bad considering most of my income during college came from waiting tables/bartending. Though once in awhile I do, especially that coffee shop on 7th avenue in Park Slope, Brooklyn with the cute staff.

phil-two (phil-two), Sunday, 13 April 2003 04:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

I tip when I have change and enough money in my pocket so that having the change is unnecessary. See, I'm a student too, but I don't like carrying around much change. If I've got, say, maybe $5-$20 in my wallet, I'll drop the $0.17 you gave back to me into the jar. Or the $0.87 or the $0.50. I rarely tip in bills, because BILLS ARE USEFUL. Coins can suck an egg.

Guaranteed tip if you act like a reasonably decent human being; it's easy enough to tell if he/she means it when he/she says "Have a nice day." or "Can I help you?" Non-standard questions, replies, thoughts are also nice.

Cute girls too.

Ian Johnson (orion), Sunday, 13 April 2003 05:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

Do I get a USEFUL BILL for being cute? What if I'm cute but rude? What if I'm ass-wipe ugly but I REALLY MEAN IT when I say "Have a nice day?"

jewelly (jewelly), Sunday, 13 April 2003 05:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Cute but rude, no.

You get some coins for being cute.

Maybe a bill for being cute and sincere.

You get a bill if you're sincere and engaging in a very human way; if I can tell that you're a Good Person and not a Wasted Piece of Flesh that's even better.

Ugliness isn't a factor; only cuteness.

Cute != hot, really. Hot girls get nothing because they tend to be horrible people with rich jock boyfriends. (nice generalization there, but High School has taught me that it's True.)

Ian Johnson (orion), Sunday, 13 April 2003 05:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

that coffee shop on 7th avenue in Park Slope, Brooklyn with the cute staff.

Ozzie's?

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 05:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

What if I'm cute, rude, and naked?

jewelly (jewelly), Sunday, 13 April 2003 05:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have the problem with putting money in the tip jar where I know I suck either way, so I try to put money in when the person isn't looking, esp. when the steam is making the foam so it covers the noise of the coins falling in.

Bryan (Bryan), Sunday, 13 April 2003 06:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

5 years ago I lived at 4th and 12th (?) in Park Slope, Fond memories.

I don't know that I tip baristas mainly b/c I don't frequent coffee shops. ALSO b/c I assume baristas are making minimum wage. Waitresses and bartenders usually make 2-something an hour so absolutely need the tip to make their wage something resembling living. This would be the same reason I don't tip at Sonics.

However, when tipping is required, I do so well. Twenty -percent at restuarants, nearly a third at hair salons, dollar per drink at bars. Good karma comes back to you.

That Girl (thatgirl), Sunday, 13 April 2003 06:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Living in Britain is k-great for not having to tip. But then we do also pay people, like, a wage they can live on. Tipping in the states seems to be a good way of making cheap goods not cheap any more.

But I did start tipping in coffee shops when I was here in March, but only for good service. I am a good customer, I am friednly, patient, non-patronising (I hope), and I merit good service. It's a win-win situation!

Mark C (Mark C), Sunday, 13 April 2003 08:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Uh, when I was There in March. I'm here in Putney.

Mark C (Mark C), Sunday, 13 April 2003 08:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

addendum: I don't tip in Starbucks, after being gobsmacked to have to break into a SECOND ten dollar bill when buying a small coffee and a sandwich. Though I suppose in my astonishment I could have given the whole $8.65 or whatever.

Jewelly, do you tip coffee shop staff?

Mark C (Mark C), Sunday, 13 April 2003 08:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

The UK equivelent is saying "and one for yourself" to the barman, surely?

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 13 April 2003 08:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes, I guess so. Do you ever do that, Nick? Wouldn't it be like one drink for the price of two? Maybe I'm from a less thoughtful generation.

Mark C (Mark C), Sunday, 13 April 2003 09:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

A key difference is that I believe American staff in jobs where tipping is usual are taxed as if they get 8% (?) in tips on every bill. This means in effect that if you give them less than that, serving you has cost them money.

Here in the UK I tip about 10% (varied according to lots of factors) in restaurants, but rarely anywhere else. One restaurant I know has on the menu "A discretionary optional gratuity of 10% will be added to every bill." That double tautology, then the "will be added" is great.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 13 April 2003 10:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ah, the coffee shop tip jar. For me it depends on where I am and what I have for change. I very rarely tip at the major coffee shops like Starbucks (when I go there); Tim's doesn't have tip jars so that settles that. The smaller ones where there's a good atmosphere and nice staff, I try, so long as I have the change to do so, but if all they've done is poured me regular coffee and slam it down on the counter, I don't generally worry too much about it if I don't.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Sunday, 13 April 2003 12:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

I always tip at least $.50 at the coffeeshops I go to regularly, because I know the baristas & they make really, really, really good coffee. But if it's an airport Starbucks, I don't always bother.

lyra (lyra), Sunday, 13 April 2003 16:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mark C -- Yes, I tip when I patronize other coffee shops, ESPECIALLY when the service sucks. The more rude and careless and inattentive you are, the more you get, is my motto. ("Do unto others ..." and all that.)

jewelly (jewelly), Sunday, 13 April 2003 16:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

If it's *any* Starbucks, they don't make good coffee, surely? Or is it just the mochas that taste bitter and nasty?

Mark C (Mark C), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Their chai can be pretty good...

Chris P (Chris P), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Starbucks down at Union Station in Seattle's ID every once in a while turns up nice lattes. But yeah- generally, Starbucks drinks are terrible; they don't do the foam correctly. Usually it comes out too weak & watery & their milk generally tastes terrible, blech. Nice, creamy, small bubbles in the foam are best, but I've had a fair number of Starbucks lattes where there are a lot of large bubbles around the edges.

The coffee itself often has that stale/flat taste you get when the machines aren't cleaned enough. Tully's usually has similiar problems, so I don't think I've stopped at one in close to two years.

lyra (lyra), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

THe other thing to keep in mind is that Starbucks's coffee is bitter to begin with, they actually pick more acidic grinds because they put SO MUCH SHIT in the coffee that it's difficult to maintain the actual coffee flavor in drinks that also feature 3lbs of caramel, a tablespoon of cocoa power, a half cup of half-and-half, and a spritz of whipped cream. Plus the cinnamon sprinkle.

Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Anyone who's drinking coffee with that much crap in it deserves whatever plastic taste it comes with. ;-)

lyra (lyra), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh, I wholly agree. I mean, they've got ones now with Oreo crumbs in it! I mean, honestly, what the hell is that? I refuse to tip anyone who puts Oreo crumbs in my coffee.

Actually, seriously, what put me off of tipping anything more than like the pennies I get for change was two men in the Starbucks under my apartment:

1) One is creepy Charlie Manson type, who holds your coffee until you say "Thank you very much" - "thanks" is unacceptable, I've found.
2) The other consistently makes the wrong drink and then ARGUES WITH YOU when you say that's not what you wanted. "That's not what you goddamned said!" I'm like, ok, cowboy, if I meant "coconut latte whipped cream explosion", I'd have said that instead of "chai latte". I mean, they don't even sound similar.

Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

So I guess what I'm asking is, do you tip in coffee shops? And if so, how do you feel about it? And if not, why are you such an asshole?

Always. It's bad enough I waste my money on Starbucks when I do but I also feel compelled to tip for perpetuating this hideous abomination of cultural homogenization. In my guilt-ridden mind I am like the Oskar Schindler of Starbucks patrons viz:

Oskar Schindler: I could've tipped more. I could've tipped more if I just tried harder. I threw away so much money. You have no idea. If I just...
Barista: There is almost $1 in here as a result of what you did.
Oskar Schindler: I didn't do enough!
Barista: You did so much.
Oskar Schindler: This car. Why did I keep the car? Amon would've bought this car. 2000 tips right there. This magazine, 8 tips, This is gold! 8 tips he could've given me 8 people at least one. One tip. One tip I didn't make. One tip I could've made and I didn't!!

felicity (felicity), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thanks, I spit water all over my keyboard reading that!

Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

no problem

felicity (felicity), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

...don't forget to tip yr waitress?

Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm here all decade. Try the veal.

felicity (felicity), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

I tip well at restaurants/bars/coffee places I frequent. I guess because I want the staff to know I'm on their side. Whatever that means.
What I find really confusing is tipping people I know.
Any rules for that?
(does the E in ILE stand for Etiquette today?)

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

This thread has made me so glad I brew my coffee at home.

teeny (teeny), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's made me even gladder I just drink tea.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ned, you could move to Boston & drink at Tealuxe all the time, and fret over tipping the tea-baristas there.

lyra (lyra), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't know if this is a feasible answer.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Shut up and take the free money.

jm (jtm), Monday, 14 April 2003 03:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think it really bothers my girlfriend that I don't tip in coffee shops (which has made her think that I'm a bad tipper in general even though I'm quite generous in restaurants and bars). My main rational is that it's more retail than food service, they're making a decent hourly wage. I worked retail all through high school and didn't make tips, so it's out of jealousy/spite really.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 14 April 2003 05:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah 4real if you work in a locally owned non-chain restaurant you got it good enough already!! i only tip at popeyes and mcdonalds, like hey girl heres a whole lincoln for that shake

st (simon_tr), Monday, 14 April 2003 05:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dude, if I could afford to drink Starbucks coffee, I might begin to think about tipping but... Sorry. You have to have provided a service to get a tip. Like, actually bring stuff to my table. Standing behind a counter and making coffee is your JOB. Do I get a tip when I process my invoices? Fuck no. I fucking hate tipping. It's the nice thing about living in England is, it's not expected. Tipping is an added bonus when someone goes out of their way to do something extra and above and beyond for you. It is not a right. Grrrrrrrr. I'm cranky this morning.

kate, Monday, 14 April 2003 07:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

I always tip at independently owned coffee shops in the US. I've worked at many a coffee shop, and I can tell you that if you were known as someone who tipped regularly you would get preferential service. Like, maybe a size upgrade, or when seeing you in line, we would call out, 'the usual', wait for assenting head nod, and make it whilst preparing drinks of the people in front of them in the line.

marianna, Monday, 14 April 2003 09:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Having worked in a pub for five years, if a barman is good, pours a decent pint, is friendly and I'm not short for cash, then yeah, I'll buy them one too. Most barpeople will take a quid off you and either have themselves a half or pocket the cash - either way I'm not fussed; financially it's a shitty job and every quid counts.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 14 April 2003 09:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

I usually leave the change when I buy stuff at cafeĀ“s. I always tip 10-15% in restaurants in Australia. I only leave small tips in restaurants in Europe. In restaurants in South America I leave gigantic tips. It's all about relative economies, people.

Andrew (enneff), Monday, 14 April 2003 10:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

horace, about tipping people you know. this is where 'tipping karma' has instant results. at my college town i worked with and hung out with restaurant employees. when we had each other as servers, big big tips were standard(25-30%). the other key is that when someone gives you free food, figure out the tip as if the cost of that free food was included in the bill(this should probably go for anyone, even if you don't know the server well).

living in london now, i'm still confused about tipping. my friends have snatched money i left for bartenders, saying i leave too much.

and i don't drink coffee, so i don't really have a policy about tipping in coffee shops.

colette (a2lette), Monday, 14 April 2003 10:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

I never tip in Starbucks because I never drink in Starbucks.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

four years pass...

I just explained to a very old looking lady why I always buy a box of chocolates to give to the staff whenever I hit up my local 24/7 drugstore for random bullshit that I need at 2 in the AM or whatever:

"I see these people got a tip jar for servin' me some coffee in a paper cup from nine to five. y'all providin' me with who knows what all hours of the night and mornin' and no tip jar at all. so I figure I buy you some candy, everybody likes candy, least I can do, right?"

am I a bastard or just a dork?

El Tomboto, Saturday, 26 January 2008 08:51 (sixteen years ago) link

seriously though for like two years in this neighborhood, every time I go to the 24/7 CVS for anything beyond a pack of camels, I buy a box of chocolates and give it to the staff. and I still haven't figured out whether that's patronizing or nice or what. in fact, fuck our society right in the ear for making me have to think about that, but I might as well ask the question

El Tomboto, Saturday, 26 January 2008 08:54 (sixteen years ago) link

What kind of chocolates do you buy them?

Back when I worked in retail, you had to have a receipt attached to any item that you purchased for consumption in the store, so you might end up getting them in trouble.

But probably they think you're a good person. Folks appreciate having a regular who stands out and is nice to them.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Saturday, 26 January 2008 11:46 (sixteen years ago) link


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