Amazing money-saving strategies! I have none!

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Man, times they are a changing. It's amazing to go from upper middle class to flat broke in a 2 year period!

Does anyone have some sort of investment advice or credit/consolidation advice.

I need some way to roll all my debt up into a little ball and somehow get rid of it completely in a 3-5 year period by paying almost nothing per month.

I'm guessing there must be some alternative out there like "holy crap, he's going to declare bankruptcy! Let's help him out here!"

Scaredy Cat, Thursday, 20 March 2003 13:36 (twenty-three years ago)

www.frugalliving.about.com

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 20 March 2003 13:39 (twenty-three years ago)

I worry that this is my fate too, Scaredy Cat. Any advice on how to avoid the inevitable?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 20 March 2003 13:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't Drink
Don't Smoke
Don't go out
Don't own a car
Eat Pasta and Noodles.

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Thursday, 20 March 2003 13:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Are those Minor Threat lyrics?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 20 March 2003 13:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, you wanna hear the chorus?

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Thursday, 20 March 2003 13:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't Drink
Don't Smoke

What DO you do?

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 March 2003 13:51 (twenty-three years ago)

He has a PS2, I'll wager.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 20 March 2003 13:52 (twenty-three years ago)

I've already sold half my stuff. As far as video games, I have a friend down the street who practically has one of every game console in his little gaming room, but I personally have nothing of the sort. I have a shareware version of Bubble Bobble that only goes to level 7, though!

Scaredy Cat, Thursday, 20 March 2003 14:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm working on saving money, in the sense that I'm trying to combat some of my debt so I'll be slightly less in the negative. Here's my plan of attack:
* pay off smaller credit cards and cancel them as I pay them off
* only have one credit card left (the one with the lowest interest rate)
* pay that one down, but keep it in case I really need it (ie: to reserve tickets or a hotel room or whatever)
* After those steps have been taken, I can focus more on making sure I make my student loan payments on time every month.
* Uh, pay those off (one of them is $11000, but maybe I can pay off the $2000 one sooner than later)
* Save money. Buy a house.
THE END

Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 20 March 2003 14:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Get a MAME - I play Double Dragon and R Type all the time, I blew all my cash on a powerbook just to play retro video games. duh. I want to be able to play Vice City or The Getaway.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 20 March 2003 14:03 (twenty-three years ago)

BTW, my only advice would be that if you find yourself holding a pink slip, make a fake resume and work at a burger joint or something while you send out resumes to real employers. When you get an interview, tell the interviewer that you're self-employed but seeking to be part of a team because it gets a bit lonely never leaving your apartment.

Scaredy Cat, Thursday, 20 March 2003 14:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Try to get a loan/mortgage in a currency you're pretty sure is going to TANK [us dollar?]. My friends parents did that before the Thai Baht collapsed overnite in 1999 ['99, was it?] and cut their debt by about 2/3rds.

phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 20 March 2003 14:08 (twenty-three years ago)

er, but its sort of, uh, risky.

phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 20 March 2003 14:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I have a weird thing about MAMES. They make me paranoid due to their illegality, so I'll go download a game for MacMAME for like a day, but then I dump it off my computer when I'm through playing it. Supposedly it's "okay" if you get rid of them within 24 hours, but I have my doubts about that, too. Anyway, it's not like the FBI is going to beat down my door (most likely), but it still has me paranoid. I don't like illegal software at all on my machine and I definitely wouldn't want to get busted for some stupid fucking video game after paying $1,000s through the nose for Adobe and Macromedia studio boxes! That would be too friggin' ironic.

Scaredy Cat, Thursday, 20 March 2003 14:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh man, your login name is totally OTM... I guess scratch the idea about foreign currencies then

phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 20 March 2003 14:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, I am fairly paranoid at all times. I realize it's a problem, though, and knowing is half the battle.

Scaredy Cat, Thursday, 20 March 2003 14:15 (twenty-three years ago)

i was gonna suggest foreign currency too - i (an nzer) buy american dollars - but i don't think that's an option for you, scaredy cat. this need for $$ - does it link into the registered mail letter you were worried about collecting?

Clare (not entirely unhappy), Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Clare, it just links into my need for money. The mail was actually a job offer. I'm not actually expecting any problems with anything, but you know how it's supposed to be a good idea to have money saved up for an emergency? Well, I have none of that.

Scaredy Cat, Friday, 21 March 2003 02:59 (twenty-three years ago)

i would look into selling pot

ron (ron), Friday, 21 March 2003 03:13 (twenty-three years ago)

This is a terrible time to sell pot! Margins are razor thin, and there are standing shoot-on-sight orders for all beanie wearing agents of terrorism.

jonas lefrel (jonas lefrel), Friday, 21 March 2003 03:17 (twenty-three years ago)

encyclopedias then

ron (ron), Friday, 21 March 2003 03:19 (twenty-three years ago)

the internet killed the encyclopaedia

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 21 March 2003 03:20 (twenty-three years ago)

It got to the point were I was unable to pay any of my debt (under-employed, unemployed, etc.) Eventually my creditors gave up, wrote me off as bad debt, and leave me alone know. This will take about as long to clean off my credit record as bankruptcy but less out of pocket expense!

That Girl (thatgirl), Friday, 21 March 2003 03:23 (twenty-three years ago)

prostitution then

ron (ron), Friday, 21 March 2003 03:32 (twenty-three years ago)

now yer talkin'

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 21 March 2003 03:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Walk or bike everywhere. Buy used CDs & books, then sell them when you don't read/listen to them anymore-- I get back at least $200/year by re-selling the books that I've bought when I'm done reading them. Don't own a TV, so you won't have to pay cable bills.

Also, don't buy TV dinners or other processed food-- you save a lot of money by buying fresh vegtables & fruits & pasta/rice, and fish from a local fish market. Then cook up side dishes/lunches over the weekend, invest in a lot of tupperware, and eat the leftovers during the week. Grow some vegtables & herbs on a sunny window sill-- lettuce & rosemary & chives are impossible to kill. Use your phone landline for local calls only, and get a cheap cellphone plan with long distance. Get your furniture from Ikea or outlets or second hand.

I have a pretty good job, but I'm still way into saving money-- I've supported myself since I was 18, so those starting years of having no money at all made me ridiculously cheap about stuff. There's also a good book on the basics of financial stuff: "Get a Financial Life" by Beth Kobliner. Not on practical stuff like "buy second hand" but about buying a house the first time, how to save money, etc.

lyra (lyra), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Good advice, lyra!

jonas lefrel (jonas lefrel), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:31 (twenty-three years ago)

lyra's a hippie!

That Girl (thatgirl), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Haha, that's what everyone says when they find out that I have no TV & grow vegtables. ;-) Really, I swear, I'm fine with my internet connection & the radio!

lyra (lyra), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:50 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...
I need money saving tips!

My plan of attack upthread was nice in theory, but I ended up using my credit cards alot anyway. NOOO!!! Now I've maxed out my main one and the other one is pretty high. I have loads of student loan debts. My bf helped me out by paying for things this past weekend, but he can't support me.

I'm already NOT SPENDING, but my previous commitments (power bill, car bill, all the loan/credit card minimums) require a few hundred dollars more than I make each paycheck. I just don't know what to do at this point. :-(

I really need to buy groceries, but I can't. And I know there's food at home - if I want to eat canned beans for a few weeks. I need to lower my standards, but it's so hard!

ILX, tell me what to do.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Other than NEVER EVER USING A CREDIT CARD, I don't know but,

I have a shareware version of Bubble Bobble that only goes to level 7, though!

.. is the biggest cry for help I've ever seen, someone help this poor guy!

Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry Sarah, I think you have to ride the bean train.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I know. I was financially irresponsible and now I'm not using my credit cards, just trying to pay them off. But by not using them, it's even more obvious how much I was relying on them just to pay for every day things.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

When you pay off a credit card, don't cancel it. You want to keep its existence (and low/zero balance) on the records and your credit report. If you cancel a card, that makes the percentage of balances carried vs. available credit higher and lowers your credit rating, which means higher interest rates. Just cut the card up and pretend it doesn't exist.

I've been doing really well paying down my debts then last week get the brilliant idea that I should try to learn guitar again and Guitar Center has a 15-month no interest plan and... so it goes. But I'm not overly concerned, I don't see a future where I'm going to have the money to buy a house or the desire to have a family anyway. Might as well live it up now and fake my death in a few years.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Sarah, can you try switching your student loans (or consolidating them if you haven't already before the July rate increase) to an income-contingent payment plan? Or maybe applying for a forbearance on them? I know far more about student loans than credit card debt, so I'm assuming you've got a little more leeway by trying to reduce or suspend those payments until you can get the credit cards paid off...?

sgs (sgs), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Also Sarah : can you get yourself an extra part time job (an evening or two a week doing waitressing or bar work?)

C J (C J), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Here's some painful advice, Sarah: any chance you could find a few odd night and weekend jobs to supplement your income? If you can find things that'll let you work from home -- say, bullshit Craigslist one-time typing jobs, things like that -- it'll definitely help: instead of sitting at home eating beans and feeling terrible, you'll be sitting at home eating beans and doing random tasks and thinking "Aha, this brings me one step closer to paying everything off." Alternately, do like Momus and charge people for songs on the Fake Fictions song-portrait album! I would pay up to $75 for that, if I had $75.

And yeah, if you haven't exhausted forbearance periods on federal loans, this'd be what they're made for. Consolidating should bring your payments down, too, as well as making the whole thing slightly easier to manage.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Start getting wedding gigs for the FFs and you'll be straight, for real.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Firstly, milozauckerman, that's interesting you should say that. Both my mom and my sister were like, "OH! Cancel those credit card accounts as soon as you pay them off!" but what you're saying makes more sense.

Secondly, I've called up my student loan companies in the past and taken them up on any delays/forebearances that I could. I've actually come very close to consolidating them several times, but kept backing out at the last minute fearing my overall payment would be huge (due to interest and the lower monthly payments). But I guess in the end, it doesn't matter if I'm unable to pay the current amounts anyway! Also, I've been getting quite a few consolidation offers lately, but I never know how seriously to take the urgency in them. They always say Consolidate now or else!!! But, sgs, you sure sound like you know what you're talking about. Does it matter who I consolidate with? Salle Mae really wants me.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Sallie may start with that booty call, but she's the kind of girl who needs commitment.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

>Just cut the card up and pretend it doesn't exist.<

And keep paying an annual fee?

I keep meaning to save a ton o' money by learning to cook.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Annual fees would be a different ballgame. I won't even think about applying for anything that carries an annual fee, participation fee, etc.. Such a rip-off for the most part.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe you should look into debt counseling?

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Have you ever tried it? I'm always scared of free financial advisor meetings because I assume they just want to rope me into buying something or that they just want to discuss investments.

My mom is in horrible debt. She's gone bankrupt at least twice. She just had to move out of her tiny apartment to rent a room from someone. I don't want my life to be like that when I'm in my mid-fifties.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Start busking on your off-hours?

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.consolidatedcredit.org/

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha I just emailed Sarah a link to the same place (I think).

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

The big explosion of debt-management stuff these days probably makes it a lot harder to tell which are looking to help and which are looking to make money off of you, but there have always been plenty of non-profit debt-counseling agencies that are in it almost as a form of public service. Plenty of them don't even offer consolidation or loans on their own -- just actual counseling, with pointers toward other helpful services. My mother used to do a little of this, actually, though it was more general social-service life-management stuff. But so yeah, look around carefully, and you should be able to find a non-profit that's not looking to get anything out of you.

NB: I am the absolute last person who should be giving advice on a debt and/or credit thread.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

is it ever a good idea to consolidate credit cards? sam's link has me interested. I could cut my credit card payments by like $150! right now I'm paying the interest every month + $100 on top of each payment and it's killing me. usually around $400.

Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

student loan consolidation is a bit different. sort of depends on the type of loan i think.

balance transfers won't affect your credit. getting a new card will, but as long as this isn't something you do every 6 or 12 months when the 0% goes away, it's not a huge deal. please please please cut up any card you plan to use for this balance transfer thingy. most of these 0% deals have extremely nasty fine print. i mean, you miss a payment, your rate is suddenly 22%. that's quite common actually. and often using the card gets you in weird limbo. your balance transfers may be at a low rate, but then you find out that your purchases on that card are at 17% or something... the 0% thing is the biggest racket. they know people fuck up so they offer you a relatively tiny carrot and hope you slip.

your original plan that you were trying sounds like the best advice i could wrangle up. tackle your smallest debt paying minimums on everything else. you absolutely cannot use any of these cards if you want this to work quickly. student loans are less of a big deal because they tend to be at really low, fixed rates. but the credit cards... holy evil.

one of the best things you can do for your credit is just make sure you get them money on time.

other ideas:
-don't have cable
-don't have both a phone and a cell
-use cheap/free internet access
-the second job idears are totally OTM, especially if you're single without kids... aka you have free time...
-cooking at home
-if i want a cd, i sell at least one cd. (this may not work for everybody, but i know i'm not the only ilxer with probably a few too many cds.)
-in that same vein, start using the library as much as possible
-try to cut back on booze and smoking if you enjoy either
-consider moving in a cheaper location and/or town

you can still definitely enjoy yourself, but it takes time. that's where i'm at. i'm paying my dues. i actually fucked my credit and am riding that out. i didn't declare bankrupcy, but it's all the same. i tried to buy a car and the only lender i could get was a cut my heart out rate. but that's where i've been at. we'll be out of credit card debt at the end of this year... hopefully sometime in 2006 or 2007 we'll actually be able to try to buy.

m.

msp (mspa), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

another consideration is selling your car and getting something cheaper without a payment. if you owe more than your car is worth, this is of course, a bad idea... but if you've crossed that threshold, you could sell, then buy a used car outright. you'd have no car payment then.

i didn't do that one... but it's a way to save. (well, as long as you can buy a used car that's not going to be a pile of junk.)
m.

msp (mspa), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

to chime in, if what you said upthread is true about your basic monthly expenses being more than your income than a second job should probably be top priority.

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, movingwise: the market's surely changed a bit since I left Chicago, but I'd guess you could still move just a couple blocks over the other side of Western and save hundreds of dollars a month. That'd be a pretty drastic step, obviously, but really -- if you don't mind making your own coziness in a mildly-creaky spot, you can get a whole half a house over there for like $500/month.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Someone told me that having credit cards you don't use is bad, because the credit rating calculates based on the amount of debt you COULD go into. According to milozauckerman and others above, this is not true. Who to believe??

I have several credit cards I don't use and my credit is horrible due to having missed payments for all of them at some point.

Richard K (Richard K), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:45 (twenty-one years ago)

richard k... yeah, i was under a very similar understanding about having credit cards around. i saw milo's post and was so baffled i didn't try to refute it. ??

hmm. google, can you help us out here?
m.

msp (mspa), Thursday, 2 June 2005 04:11 (twenty-one years ago)

So, I made a budget yesterday and, conveniently enough, it was June 1st, so I am starting on it right away. I'm sure I'll have to make a lot of adjustments to it, but at least I have a loose idea of how much money I'm spending in certain areas for now. Plus, after that I let myself buy just a few groceries so I could have some fresh fruits and vegetables. :-D

My next step is to research a new credit card with 0% interest.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 2 June 2005 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Good luck with it sarah, i hope you stick to it!

Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 2 June 2005 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

you can do it! if i can, a reformed shopaholic, i think just about anybody can.

m.

msp (mspa), Thursday, 2 June 2005 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, I read this in Newsweek last night, it's short so I'll type it out (brackets are me paraphrasing):

Coming soon to a credit card near you: bigger monthly bills. Two years ago federal regulators told banks to start raising required minimum payments but gave them tome to comply. Now [it's going to happen]. The rules are aimed at protecting consumers by ensuring that minimum payments will at least cover the monthly interest charged to the account. Typically, that will double current minimums. If your already stretching, ask your lender to lower your interest rate, or find a lower-rate card at cardtrak.com. you can also switch to a non-bank credit card, like one issued by a credit union or auto company, that isn't required to follow the rules.

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 2 June 2005 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks, teeny!

Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Ok, so I got a letter from Discover in the mail that I was denied a card for multiple reasons, one of which being that I've opened too many credit card accounts recently and another being that one is maxed out. Then I opened another bill and found out that I started putting things on a new credit card by accident! I got this Master Card in the mail which I thought was a replacement for one that is expiring soon, but it turns out it was through a different lender/bank?? So I ended up (pre-budget) putting $250 on yet ANOTHER card. ARgh.

I have yet to call my current credit card companies and beg.

Also, I think I'm going to do some apartment hunting soon. It makes me really sad to think of moving out of my current apartment. I love it so much. But I know I need to at least try to get out there and see what I could get for a couple hundred dollars less a month.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 13 June 2005 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

About credit card consolidation upthread - I have looked into this, and a friend told me it isn't a good idea because after 2-3 years of making your monthly payments, they start lowering your monthly payment so inevitably it takes FOREVER to pay off your debt securing your $25 membership fee to the consolidation company for a good 10 years.

Instead I am looking into getting a loan on my car (which I got, but paid for already) and using that to pay off credit cards. Lower interest rate (5.8% or someething as opposed to like the 20% interest I have on my visa). Also, if you pay off your credit cards DO NOT CLOSE THEM as your credit score is based on a debt-to-credit ratio (according to Suze whats-her-name, whom I watched on television yesterday morning).

I also am starting to send off $100 a month to this life insurance policy I have that kind of acts as a savings account but I can't access it easily - because I've found I dump large amounts of money into my savings only to withdraw it weeks later when I'm in a bind.

I'm ALSO sending the two credit cards I have to my mom for her to keep. She's good at being the voice of reason so if I need to use them I have to make a big case to her first.

I'm ALSO starting to write down every little penny I spend in a check register.

I NEED TO GET MY LIFE IN ORDER!

Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Monday, 13 June 2005 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...
So, I only have 2 days left in June and I'm still staying within my budget! BOO YA! After that, I get to use this $25 Target gift certificate my mom sent me as an incentive. :-D

Some things continue to be icky. I found out I do indeed have to pay a $350 hospital fee I thought I could avoid, but things are looking up!

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

Question of the day: Does debt consolidation hurt your credit rating?

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

me, in approx. 3-4 months:

http://www.urban75.org/photos/london/images/lon377.jpg

mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

sarah, there is a good article on credit scores and what you can do to improve them in this month's consumer reports--check it out at the library! unfortunately it doesn't answer your question.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

Mark is moving to London? Hurrah!

Edgware General (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

total aside, but i am seriously thinking about moving in the new year, yeah.

mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

to beg.

mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

Oh, sorry if I accidentally let the cat out of the bag. Still, new year! Hooray! Shame you'll miss me.

Edgware General (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

i'll always miss you, adam

mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

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Edgware General (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

This thread is of great interest to me, in that like zillions of others my wife and I have some pretty big credit card bills that we have been paying only the minimum on for way too long. In an effort to resolve this, one thing that has worked to our advantage is balance transfers. While I understand that "too many" balance transfers can damage your credit rating, we managed to do a transfer at a rate of 4% for the life of the balance on a card that my wife has had for many years but doesn't use because the APR (for purchases) is extremely high (23%). But they sent us the offer, and after thoroughly checking it out, did it. Now a $150 minimum payment will have $125 of it going to the principal as opposed to the old card, in which only $75 out of a $150 min. payment was actually paying down the balance.

Also calling your CC companies and asking for a lower APR really does work. Again I got a balance down from 13% to 9% just by calling them up, after months of rejecting the idea as foolish. It doesn't cost anything to ask.

Sparkle Motion's Rising Force, Wednesday, 29 June 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Sparkle, calling up one of my credit card companies worked for me too. I was like, "Hi, Can I have a lower rate?" And they were like, "Sure, just a moment."

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

Sarah-
It's a good feeling tinged with regret about how much money I was throwing away. In fact it's the only thing (aside from regrets about what got me into trouble to begin with) that's been a downer regarding getting the CC situation under control.

Another thing that works occasionally is, in the event that you are late by a day or so with your payment (I do online payments, but scheduling them is sometimes a hassle)- asking the CC company for a break on the late fee. Apparently most companies give their representatives the option to waive fees and such at least once a year.
Courtesy and begging can pay off, as well as harrassement and cajoling, come to think of it...

Sparkle Motion's Rising Force, Wednesday, 29 June 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

Three of my coworkers all clicked off (all in heels) to Old Navy for a tank top sale. They invited me to come along, but I said, "NO!" and punched them all in the face. The audacity!

Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 7 July 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)

Also, they're getting their lunches at Wh0le foods! The Bastards!

Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 7 July 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

Don't Drink
Don't Smoke

What DO you do?

Swim and eat tuna, mostly.

Matt (Matt), Friday, 8 July 2005 05:43 (twenty years ago)

Ok, so, you all probably already know this, but anyway... I sent an email to my bank asking them why I keep getting a million different $1 "ATM" charges when I only ever use their ATMs, which are supposed to be free.

They said (and maybe this applies to you):
"The $1.00 charges are from you using your PIN number at the store. When you go to the store you have to tell them credit swipe the card and sign for the purchase. Any time you put your PIN number at a non North Community ATM you will be charged $1.00."

Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)

north community bank blows! you should open an account elsewhere. seriously that bank will squeeze you as much as they can. fuck 'em.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

I know they're small, but I sure wish they would update their online system more regularly. I deposited just enough money Friday to cover (ie: with $1 left in my account) an online bill pay that's supposed to go out today. So today I check the site and it says I'm $20 short, but the account history isn't updated so I don't know what's going on. So I call their customer service line and it's only for the online system. They have no further info. So I ask them to transfer me to someone with the bank and they say the bank is closed, sorry. Meanwhile, my bill pay has already begun processing so they can't stop it. THE DUMBEST!!!

Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)

get a free account with *gulp* bank of america or somebody like that. fuck north community bank.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:34 (twenty years ago)

I'm a big fan of credit unions.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)

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USAABOT, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 14:06 (twenty years ago)

yeah usaa works quite well tho no atms. weirdly enough my ex-roomie, an argentinian citizen and us resident with no ties to the us military, is an usaa member.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

sounds like you may have been hit with a minimum balance charge. if so, such bullshit charges can really hurt when trying to balance bill paying with a budget. it's especially harsh when you also get charged a late fee by whomever you need to pay. you can be down $40-60 before you even know what's happening. it's tenuous as hell and can create a spiral that's hard to get away from. saying no to old navy is a good start. it seems you may need to rein in spending for a couple weeks (ie. literally buy nothing other than food from a grocery store), build up an self-defined untouchable reserve. at least that way you can avoid such crappy charges.

(xpost)
in theory i like credit unions. in practise i like convenience.

teh Nü and Impröved john n chicago (frankE), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

Seriously, find out if you can become a USAA member. You get

1. The best insurance in the country for safe drivers (I get money back from them occasionally, because of the way their insurance works)
2. Up to $15.00 a month rebate on ATM surcharge fees (since they have no USAA ATMs, that comes out to about 8-10 withdrawals a month though which is plenty and was damn handy when I was doing DC NYC 4x/mo.
3. .005% rebate on every purchase we make with the ATM mastercard thing
4. Rated investments and good credit offers
5. No late fees and no minimum balance fees on anything, ever, in my experience. + free online bill paying. I automated my rent through them, my landlord gets a cashier's check in the mail right on the 1st at no additional charge to me. So Hot.

I could go on and on but anyway hstencil's anecdote confirms what I've been hearing for a while, they're not being so strict with the membership thing as they used to at all.

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)


Why why why is everyone saying you should supplicate these chiseling credit card companies? I don't understand why you would get a second job to pour more money into their coffers. Why on earth would you not declare bankruptcy?

carbon (carbon), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:25 (twenty years ago)

because it ruins your credit; because some people think they should pay what they owe; because soon declaring bankruptcy will still mean you have to pay anyway...

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

But why would you want credit? The only people who aren't themselves ruined by credit are wealthy in the first place.

carbon (carbon), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

maybe people need to buy cars to get to and from work?

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

also, I don't believe you can declare bankruptcy just because it's inconvenient to pay your bills at the moment.

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

But why would you want credit? The only people who aren't themselves ruined by credit are wealthy in the first place.
At this point, it's not a matter of whether you want it or not, but whether you want good or bad credit. Because if you have none, good luck getting an apartment, house, car, or anything that costs more than $200. If you have bad credit, same.
Credit blows, but it's necessary. You want to opt out, then smoke signal me after the apocalypse from your yurt and we'll get together and trade.

Sparkle Motion's Rising Force, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 20:21 (twenty years ago)

Speaking of good or bad credit and getting an apartment, house, or car...how bad is it to pay credit bills a few days late? I did this a few times, and wasn't the representative didn't waive it for me, I guess because it wasn't my first time. Am I screwed? A friend in the credit card business made a big deal saying it really hurts down the line and get it reversed at any cost, which scared me...

Richard K (Richard K), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

Whatever happened to getting a roommate? If I had a roommate, I'm sure I'd be taking annual trips to Europe, what with Chicago's rents and all.

I paid off the credit cards a while ago, so it's been a while since I've had to deal with those people (save one company that sold my billing address to one of those "people search" places), but I considered that debt a necessary "investment" because I stocked my personal library with most of that money. It ended up being cheaper than grad school.

VM 9001 (dymaxia), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

despite the bizarre encomium to tithing that currently sits on the front page here, my roommate has a subscription to this newsletter and it's actually very good. (for british readers, imagine it as an extended "top tips" section meant to be taken seriously!) - http://www.cheapskatemonthly.com

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

...how bad is it to pay credit bills a few days late?

In my experience it's been mixed. As always, the most important thing to do is read the fine print. Some credit cards will give you a grace period of a day or so.
More typically, many credit cards have terms that allow them to jack up your APR when you make even one late payment. With others that only happens when you make a number of consecutive late payments. The times that I have been late, nothing has happened to my APR, but I did get late fees($25-$40) and the minimum payment was doubled the following month.
So I would say, "don't make it a habit".

Sparkle Motion's Rising Force, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

ten months pass...
http://www.hillbillyhousewife.com/index.htm

really good tips/menus to help slash that food budget.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 19:11 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

The leather tonneau cover for my truck is getting old and drawing up -- it gets harder and harder to snap back on whenever I need to take it off to haul tall stuff. Decided to do the fuel-savings math, and near as I can figure it's saved me about $950-1000 in gas over the last 8.5 years. (It cost $175.)

Hervé Grillechaise (WmC), Tuesday, 9 March 2010 21:08 (sixteen years ago)


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