Cornwall

the eden proj does weddings in their jungle biome iirc. might be a bit rum but at least you'd definitely avoid the miserable pissy rain

lots of the other famous gardens in the area probably do weddings too, though personally i don't think you should necessarily rule out plain old cavorting naked on the moors

Cavorting's an option. I'll suggest it to the in-laws - would probably work out quite cost effective.

Please do not encourage any fucken hippies to do any bleddy handfasting ceremonies at Men An Tol. Please. They're a nuisance, they frighten the livestock.

Thanks for the suggestions.

cornwall circa 1913

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Think there was a recent ep of 'don't tell the bride' where they got married at the Eden project.

oh my, those photos are fantastic!

this record sounds interesting:
http://thequietus.com/articles/16179-robert-curgenven-sirne-review

feel like i wanna start a landscape/memory/music thread on ilm but i don't really know how to frame it exactly

That record sounds amazing. And NickB, go for it with your thread!

nickb what sort of thing did you have in mind/were inspired by?

well, um, music that evokes particular landscapes (whether that's urban or rural, and specific, real places or perhaps imaginary ones too) and explores the human stories that have left their mark there, or again perhaps those traces have been erased entirely and can only exist in the present by us projecting them back on the landscape if only in our imagination? and i suppose that's what a lot of folk music does, but also there's quite a bit of contemporary stuff from i dunno, from field recordings like chris watson's in st. cuthbert's time through people associated with psychogeography like jem finer and andrew kötting, to the clattering shire books indie of way through or some of the folk on the outer church compilation who are maybe at more of the occult/hauntological end of things. maybe more high profile stuff like burial or these new puritans are somehow connected too, and i wish i could think of non-british stuff off the top of my head but uh... i dunno, thoughts all half-baked & messy

that's a great batch of material & there should definitely be a thread to collect this stuff together & muse although I can't think of a title

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/sep/14/cornwall-and-south-devon-originally-belonged-to-europe

“This is a completely new way of thinking about how Britain was formed,” said Dijkstra. “It has always been presumed that the border of Avalonia and Armorica was beneath what would seem to be the natural boundary of the English Channel. But our findings suggest that although there is no physical line on the surface, there is a clear geological boundary that separates Cornwall and south Devon from the rest of the UK.”

The findings, go some way to explain why Cornwall and Devon have an abundance of tin and tungsten, metals found in Brittany and other areas of mainland Europe. “These minerals come from deep in the crust,” Dijkstra said.

i've never been to cornwall, but that's changing in a couple of weeks. my aged parents are coming for a visit and we're all going out there. 6 of us! we're going to what i'm told is called the north coast. from london. and... we have no car.

any advice? how to get out there and get back? what to see? (we'll be near tintagel)

I went for the first time this year too! We were based in Penzance and Fowey, on the South coast, but we made it to St Ives which was lovely and on the north coast, and to Lanhydrock which is on the edge of Bodmin Moor. Both highly recommended. Oh and the Eden Project is a must!

The train journey from London is great but expensive (about £100+ return). Takes four hours; sit at a window on the left for the views. But it won't get you very near Tintagel: Bodmin probably is the nearest station.

North coast is mainly beaches and scenery, so weather is a factor, but Tintagel, Padstow, St Ives are all worth a visit. Eden Project if it's raining.

I have *seen* buses in N. Cornwall...

The sleeper train from Paddington is worth considering if feasible as you effectively get a night's accommodation plus the journey, and it's really good fun with its own bar and breakfast (of the bacon roll variety) served in the morning.

the beach and cave underneath tintagel are sublime. slate cliff face and green coppery water. my cousin works at the eden project but i've never been. apparently they have lots of ppl on zero hours contracts.

Bodmin Dungeon is well worth a visit and I love Newquay - even though it is probably considered tacky by ILX, 3 or 4 of my fave beaches in England there.

Never been there either, seems like a nightmare to get to.

it's very slow going when you get past Plymouth on the train, but some lovely scenery if want to pack a few tinnies

Plymouth itself is worth a visit, though it is of course in Devon, I enjoyed the hoe very much

oh hi

we are going to Cornwall next week! my wife has always wanted to go there and I haven't been since I was 13... which was 30 years ago

I'm driving, which is a bit daunting, but we're stopping in Poole the first day which is just over halfway there, so at least I only have to do 3-4 hours a day.

then we're going to stay in Boscastle (visiting Tintagel), Newquay, Hayle (St Ives), Penzance, Falmouth, St Austell and Polperro for a day or 2 in each place. will try to visit some other places (Bodmin, Truro, Looe, Land's End, St Michael's Mount etc) but a lot of that depends on how wiped out my wife is from chemo. She has been prescribed more steroids this week which might help a bit with that, but I think the first week at least she's not going to be up to doing much. the 2nd week she doesn't have chemo so should feel a bit better hopefully

Newquay is in geologic history a part of France, hence the tin and beautiful Cornish granite and it often doesn't feel like England at all to me (even when it is pissing it down) in some mysterious way - but they voted for brexit in big numbers.

Newquay Cornwall I meant obv

I think I want to train it most of the way then rent a car. Where should I do that? Exeter? Truro? Bodmin?

Hire a car in Exeter or Plymouth.

I went to Plymouth for the first time in ages a few months back* and I didn't mind it at all, I've grown to like the kind of paper-thin sub-Scando/Festival architecture of the post-war City Centre, though the place does appear to be very largely on its arse at present. The Hoe is OK, the Barbican is pretty good. The new shopping centre at the top of town is a vision of awfulness replacing the old brutalist shopping centre of which I have fond memories.

If I couldn't drive I think I'd probably get the train down to Bodmin then try to work out local buses, not least (as Neil says) for the train ride between Exeter and Plymouth, which is world-class. I think I probably wouldn't stop off in Plymouth, not least because getting from the station to the Hoe (in particular) is a bit of a slog.

*not counting trips there for the football, during which I don't really have the chance to look around, the point is to get into and out of the place as quickly as possible

The chain ferry at (I think) Torpoint is a funny way to get your motor over the Tamar, though it's slower than the bridge, and the bridge gives you a good view of Brunel's amazing rail bridge IIRC.

Random thing I really enjoyed on the same trip that took in Plymouth: we skirted into the eastern bit of Cornwall Xmas to take a look at Trethevy Quoit: https://www.cornwalls.co.uk/history/sites/trethevy_quoit.htm - it's in a field right next to some houses but is surprisingly atmospheric and with very convenient parking if you don't mind driving up a tiny country road to get there. The parking was helpful as we had my mum with us who isn't really in the market for long walks these days.

A few minutes' drive away there's an avenue and circle of small stones: https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/visit/places/hurlers-stone-circles/ this one is effectively open country, is picturesque in that slightly bleak Cornish way (mind we went on New Year's eve for added bleakness)but there's a car park right there

Advantage of hiring a car in Exeter: probably end up being quicker for where you're going if speed is important, you could take the A38 over the north of Dartmoor rather than going the long way round on the bigger road to the south. I've never hired a car there but I think there's a hire place right by Exeter St David's station. Exeter easier to get out of by car than Plymouth.

Advantage of hiring a car in Plymouth: less driving miles in total, excellent train journey as noted along the Exe estuary and down along by Dawlish.

I can recommend a car hire firm if you want Tracer, we got very good service from them when picking up a car at St Austell station.

Thanks for the offer Neil. We're going to go through Exeter though. A kink in my plan has already reared up - all the car hire places next to the train station appear to close up around noon on Saturdays - and we get there at 1:30?! I'll call around tomorrow - surely I can work something out?

So far: Boscastle is beautiful. Hayle Travelodge less so, although I did get to see 6 policemen arresting someone at midnight, not sure what for. We probably should've just stayed in Penzance for an extra day, but we wanted to go to the wildlife park there, which was fun tbh. Miserable pissy rain has been an issue but mostly on the way here, it was pretty frightening driving down the M27 past Portsmouth and Southampton in the most torrential downpour I'd ever driven in and also the first time I'd ever driven on a motorway. This hotel in Penzance has worked out great though, the restaurant is fantastic and it's on a hill so got a view of the bay, St Michael's Mount etc.

On a less positive note my laptop screen is fucked, I've never really taken this laptop anywhere before and it turns out it doesn't like to be moved. Which is a bit of a bummer because I bought Untitled Goose Game just before we left

What did you get up to in Boscastle? My parents are going to be with the kids on their own without a car for a few days so I'd be grateful for any advice.

By the way I sorted the rental car. Turns out websites aren't that useful for getting things done in Cornwall.

There's not much there, just went walking round the hills round the harbour, great views. We went to the witchcraft museum which is cute but small. We had planned to go to Tintagel castle which is a short drive but my wife wasn't up to it so we skipped it

they voted for brexit in big numbers.

I'd always say head for West Penwith. If your wife is OK with a bit of tramping through fields, take a look at the Modern Antiquarian forums: there are so many astonishing ancient prehistoric sites just lying about the place and you'll be practically the only people there.

In terms of beaches, Sennen Cove and Gwynver (just next door; you can walk across generally, depending on high tide) are amazing and the walk to Land's End from Sennen is gorgeous (just don't go too close: Land's End is the most disappointing theme park in the world).

The Old Success in Sennen Cove has rooms. If it's warm you can have a pint on the roof garden. You're practically in the sea.

Go to Chysauster! Amazingly preserved 1st-century village: https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/visit/places/chysauster-ancient-village/
You can stand on the headland there and look across to the sea where the trading ships would arrive at Mousehole and Newlyn. The view hasn't changed in 2000 years.

I'll shush now. God, Cornwall.

Next step independence

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Cornish indie, fuxxors

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That’s good stuff

See what you mean about lands end. Would've gone to Chysauster but walking is a problem. We went to Marazion and I got the wheelchair out and wheeled my wife along the sea path and we watched the tide come in over the causeway to St Michael's Mount, the sun's out today so it was nice. Found a nice little pub in Penzance to have a pint before dinner

I totally skimmed the thread so apologies for the inappropriate 'tramping across fields' response. You're doing a great thing - glad the weather is good for you.

No worries at all, your suggestions looked great and I'm not the only ilxor in Cornwall this week so might be useful to others

There are both Devon and Cornwall threads but not a combined one, so I've revived this one BUT I'm really interested in both. My wife and I are doing a Devon/Dartmoor/Cornwall holiday in late July/early August. We've already done a fair amount of research, but I'm open to suggestions! We're planning to do some moor hikes, of course, but would take recommendations on specific ones. Interested in (in no particular order) pre-Christian sites, Arthurian mystique, Du Maurier sites, natural wonders, pastys, pubs, historical oddities, etc. We'll be staying a few days in St. Ives, with a night at Jamaica Inn, one outside Sidmouth, one night in Exeter, a few nights unplanned so far.

We've timed the trip to culminate with seeing Steeleye Span play in Sidmouth, ahead of the Sidmouth Folk Fest.

if you pass thru plymouth let me know!

There's a good chance we will! We were talking about staying a night there, but I'm not sure the current itinerary (my wife is more the planner).

I loved my visits to Bodmin Jail, it is a common-as-muck tourist attraction but the building is historically interesting and has a creepy aura that no amount of lottery funding spent on it could make it more or less creepier.

I really love the coast between Zennor and Penzance - particularly St Just and Sennen Cove round to Logan Rock. There are loads of archaeological sites in West Penwith; many you can access just by driving around that area and looking for brown signs.

Julian Cope's site is great for sniffing this stuff out: https://www.themodernantiquarian.com/site/412/cornwall.html

Carn Euny is great and you have to go to Chysauster if you can: https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/visit/places/chysauster-ancient-village/

I started to learn a tiny bit of the zombie language Cornish but didn't want to mention lest Tom D mock me.

Not at all, that's a proper language.