Dave Eggers Throwdown

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Eggers has been challenged as the voice of his generation by this guy. Wow.

JD (JND), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 20:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh Jesus Christ.

Could someone please tell all of these people that "voice of a generation" awards are not decided upon until you're nearing 60? That anyone making a press-heavy bid during his or her 20s is necessarily disqualified? That this book just sounds like the Eggers one only more unpleasant? That "fiction" as a concept is actually meant to be largely distinct from exaggerated autobiography?

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 20:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Or how about, can we please chuck the idiotic notion of a "generation" in the first place?

Man, I swear I thought that article had to be some kind of Onion-like parody until I was about half-way through it...

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 20:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Mr. Frey likes to think of himself as coming from the old Norman Mailer 'I Can Kick Your Ass' school of writers."

I sure he does.

JD (JND), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 20:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, it isn't a Nan book...

OH PLEASE no more rich kids with their 'I Went Through Treatment And All I Got Was This Mid-List Book Deal'.

I say this because it's a trend, I've been sent a post-Hazeleden book by someone called Emily Carter, and the publisher's blurb about her mainly says 'EC is the daughter of Anne Roiphe and the sister of Katie Roiphe'.

If I were her and that's all my publisher could think of to tell reviewers etc, HOW fast would I fall off the wagon? Probably why she had to climb on in the first place.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 20:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

My favorite detail is that before he became this tough-as-nails writer, he wrote the screenplay for "Kissing a Fool," starring David Schwimmer.

JD (JND), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 21:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

At first I thought this was totally a joke... cuz it's sort of written in Eggers' style. "Look I can do it too! I'm the best writer of my generation!!" Now THAT would've been funny.

But it turns out whoever wrote this review is just kind of crappy and gives too many stupid details.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 21:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Aaron, it's an NY Observer piece. They're going to tell us all about who brokered the deal, then the editor's going to hype, then we get to hear about the guy's clothes and accessories, including for the purposes of this article, his wife, and there might be a few words about the book if you're lucky.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 21:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Because observing minds want to know.

JD (JND), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 21:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm not sure about voice of a generation (which I agree isn't something that can be decided until much, much later) but I really liked Eggers' book.

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 21:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Here's to America's taste in literature being dictated by the same poseur idiots who edited your high school's literary magazine.

I must admit that I agree with this guy on one point - Eggers' book just pissed me off and made me want to write something 'better' (until I realized that nobody who enjoyed that shit to such a high degree would ever like my prose style at all).

That tattoo is the dumbest possible tattoo idea anyone has ever had. Imagine explaining that for the rest of your life.

Millar (Millar), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 21:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Writing's been dead for at least 50 years, kids.

Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 29 January 2003 21:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

how different is eggers to someone like leroy. are they the same kind of thing for different audiences ? Also Evlyn Lau started this nonesense, complete with perhaps the worst poetry ever written by a gger.

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 21:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Here's to America's taste in literature being dictated by the same poseur idiots who edited your high school's literary magazine.

Trust me, the people dictating literature trends ARE NOT those idiots, they're other idiots.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 21:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

I heart you, Suzy.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 21:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Idiots who refer to this Frey character as "authentic."

JD (JND), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 21:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

I really liked Eggers' first. Funny and moving, if wearing in places. I guess I'm out of the loop enough (and out of America) that I hadn't seen him positioned as The Writer Of His Generation, or I might have had a different reaction. I'd read a couple of positive reviews, was all.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 21:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

I liked the Eggers book, too, especially the first half. I think a lot of people were reacting against the hype or the author's public persona rather than the actual work. The book was overrated, maybe, but that doesn't make it bad.

JD (JND), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 22:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

I would just like to defend the NY Observer because they continue to publish the Edgy Enthusiast aka Ron Rosenbaum, America's Greatest Living Journalist.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 22:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think part of my disgust for authors like Eggers and this vile fame whore is that they don't write about anything that speaks to me at all. Which is biased. But none of these people, frankly, have any sense of irony and fail to be humorous on any level that is apparent to me, at all, whatsoever. I'll take Carl Hiaasen pulp any day.

Millar (Millar), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 22:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

I second the approbation for Ron Rosenbaum! I was prejudiced against that column at first because of the title, but once I started reading it I realized that he's actually using the word "edgy" correctly, not to mean "cutting edge."

I'm really looking forward to reading his book on Shakespeare scholarship controversies.

JD (JND), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 22:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

I kind of liked how Eggers didn't want his newest book to come out under his own name and made it hard to get when it was released (insuring it wouldn't wind up on the NYT Best Sellers list).

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 22:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

And whatever you think of Eggers's prose, his 826 Valencia project, which tutors "underprivileged" kids in writing, is a very worthwhile use of his literary lucre.

JD (JND), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 22:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yay for the Edgy Alliance! He's been off the boil recently, but Rosenbaum's doorstop-sized selected articles 'The Secret Parts of Fortune' was the best Xmas present I bought myself in 2002. For a taster try this this or this.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 22:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

I bought a copy of "The Secret Parts of Fortune" at Housing Works, and discovered when I came home that it was signed by the great man himself. The article on "Nuke Porn" is especially good. I'm only halfway through it, though.

JD (JND), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 22:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Okay, so I liked that "Generation X" book, but couldn't identify with any of the characters (same for most of Coupland's other works, too, though I do like them), and I enjoyed "Heartbreaking Work," but I didn't get all of the pop-culture references, and from the sounds of this new book, I won't identify with it, either. Basically, I seem to have no connection to any of the hip people born around the same time as myself. In fact, I probably identify most with the hippies about 1970. So am I destined toexist only on the fringes of society?

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 23:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, it's LITERATURE. You don't necessarily have to identify with the writer or protagonist to get anything out of a novel (although sometimes it's nice).

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 23:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

But Aaron, why congratulate Eggers for making a piece of literary fiction unavailable to a public that barely reads literary fiction as it is?

Coupland is significantly older than Eggers, I'd think, though anyone's free to start drawing lines between the two of them and McInerny and others besides: people who get a lucky break of media or resonance around a first novel tend not to fare well, which is funny because so few of the people getting early breaks seem to notice that. Eggers did, and since then we've basically had to watch him cope, very publically, with that fact; I'd have found this interesting if I'd had any sense that he was actually a good writer and not just a guy with good front-matter aesthetics who'd happened to write an interesting one-off novel about some experiences he had. Zadie Smith did well and immediately threw herself into the highbrow, down to a new highbrow look, and I think she's good enough to weather her way through a few potentially rough novels until she's really terrific and taken as seriously as she evidently wants to be.

But the mid-list bruiser showing off tatoos in a big for more press ...

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 30 January 2003 00:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sorry, "big" = "bid" and the Eggers was not a novel but a bit of memoir, though it functioned a bit as both.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 30 January 2003 00:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

suzy, it wasn't so much that I didn't identify with the characters as that I didn't identify with anything in the books - and didn't get the references, either (which was more disturbing than not getting the characters thing). Made me feel a bit distanced from my peers, if the books were supposed to be accurate representatives of those of my own age.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Thursday, 30 January 2003 00:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

he’s a recovering crackhead, glue-sniffer, gas-huffer and alcoholic whose forthcoming memoir begins with the writer having fallen, well, flat on his fucking face—in this case, off a fire escape. After a two-week crack bender (the culmination of a three-year addiction), Mr. Frey is scraped off the pavement by some friends and sent by plane to his clueless parents, who then deliver the ravaged carcass of their son to the famous Minnesota rehab clinic, Hazelden.

National Enquirer top shelf material *yawn*

brg30 (brg30), Thursday, 30 January 2003 00:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

I liked AHBWOSG quite a lot (second half got boring though), but, like Martin, I'm out of the loop and out of America enough to have just picked it up on spec without any attendant hype. I know almost nothing about Eggers apart from what was contained in that book. My mate James picked up his journal thing (McSweeney's?) when he was in the US in 2001, and I had a look and thought it was indulgent shite.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 30 January 2003 08:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

RR != good. (Hey Jerry!)

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 30 January 2003 09:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've never even seen a McSweeney's, personally.

Nabisco and I are not going to agree here: as well as liking Eggers, I found White Teeth unreadable. I got sick of having to reread sentences and having to recast them in my mind into something that made sense and flowed, so stopped after 30-50 pages. I don't give up on books often, and it was lent to me by my girlfriend at the time, which was another reason to finish it.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 30 January 2003 13:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Did anyone else read the newer Eggers, "You Shall Know Our Velocity"? I thought it was lame-o. He should stick to semiautobiography.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Thursday, 30 January 2003 14:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

The first few McSweeneys were quite good, actually; his whole front-matter wankery was still pretty amusing at that point, he ran what's still my favorite George Saunders piece, he had Haruki Murakami and possible pseudonymous David Foster Wallace, and whatshisface's histories of failed revolutionary ideas.

I don't dislike Eggers! Heartbreaking etc. was a good read and worthwhile. But judging by the new one and the general Eggers history since the beginning, I don't think he's a particularly good writer -- in fact, from what I can tell, he's figured that out too, and is focusing on what he's good at: being a literary figure and public persona.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 30 January 2003 15:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

A page a day. Anything less is unacceptable you punk-ass-bitch-motherfucker. Anything less is unacceptable.

nitsuh writes 25 pages a day in his sleep you punk-ass bitch motherfucker!

anyway - are we absolutely sure this isn't an onion-style parody? if mcsweeney's was half as satirical and on-point as it once was they would've created this guy

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 30 January 2003 16:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

six years pass...

http://timetoreadsomeeggers.ytmnd.com/

fuck you chelios (jeff), Saturday, 25 April 2009 02:54 (fifteen years ago) link


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