I just finished book #10 of Robert Jordan's stupid series.

ah now

ryan i tried to webmail you but not sure it worked?

ok let's finish it up there foljs, i've got a few questions

such as?

i think the only thing that was bad in a way it didn't have to be was the illogical pseudo-philosophy of rands confrontation w/the dark one. feel like there was a lot of room for something just... better there, partic one that didnt seem to triviliaze the series own eschatology. also the book was too ambitious and too limited - introducing so many new or essentially new characters and concepts was a poor choice but it also was too narrowly focused on the battle itself - like i wanted the the entire sweep of the wheel or something in there, not just dudes killing trollocs over and over again.

mostly i just feel weird about the series being over

ryan i tried to webmail you but not sure it worked?

no I don't think it did!

Rand's visions during his fight with the Dark One were really corny

otm

I wanted a scrap with ba'alzamon as ishamael rendered him in the first few books, not a secondary school debate with a capslock.

Srsly, was that it for alivia? Smdh. That was rushed as well.

Smdh perrin/faile, again. Thought he was prophesised to die btw?

Smdh everyone surviving cept the obv two.

Ryan- gimme a mail at darraghmac @ gmail

He kinda bungled the few deaths there were too. Apart from the big one, which was the best moment in the book. If you're not paying attention you can easily miss stuff like the end of my bro Shaidar Haran

rand dreamed most of the deaths, it was p much chris tolkien shoehorning of scraps jordan had written, i guess

Yeah, major death the best moment by a distance, prob rivalled only by demandred in general, who was p. boss throughout.

lol moridin, nae'blis of the year now he's a cunt.

Presumably his soul gets recycled like everyone else's, no last wish for u bro

Well, I finished. 40+ hours of listening to interminable battle sequence after battle sequence. They sort of all blurred together by the end as I waited for things to happen. A little anti-climactic, and I agree some stuff was rushed and other stuff went on forever.

agreed there were a whole mess of problems with this but overall the balance of gangster shit to dumb shit was favorable.

a big part of what i love(d) about RJ was he seemed occasionally to think about what people would actually do with all this wacky magic. cf the end of lord of chaos. branderson sanderson, for all his stupid fucking mormon bullshit and shitty writing, thinks the same way.

are we going whole hog spoiler in this thread yet?

i havent been just yet

nailing him up on a cross was pretty lazy stuff imo

can someone summarize, in three paragraphs or less, what happened since "the lord of chaos"?
cuz i just don't have it in me. I read the few books after that one but i do not remember fuckall about 'em.

funny to see this --
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/rec.arts.sf.written.robert-jordan

when i was reading usenet & reading RJ this place had enough to keep me occupied for hours at a time

More unfulfilling thought's / questions
1. The numbers, where did all the Randland channelers disappear. The numbers do not add up!
2. The immense numbers of trollocs, how where they fed and breeded?
3. The lack of "new" shadowspawn, I always imagined the worms in the blight to be "morphed"
4. The lack of description of where Demandred's new sa'angreal (Sarkanen?) came from.
5. How Rand came to "resurrect" - I alway's imagined that Nynaeve somehow would do it. Snatching his soul 3 days gone - biblic reference again - ever since the foreshadowing: "She wouldn't be satisfied until she healed someone 3 days dead". Somehow I thought it fitting that he ended up in Moridin's body - given the strange interconnection the always had. However I had imagined that he would end up on a boat funeral pyre a'la Arthur Pendraegon.
6. The long wait of the Seanchan to rejoin the battle. That seemed too late.
7. Where were all the Seanchan grolms, torms, lopars in the beginning of the fight? They just joined the final assault. Why?
8. Why didn't the shadow strike the supply chain of the Light and their healing centre.
9. Why didn't the light try any traps of their own? Like the one Taim set for Rand?
10. Why didn't the light hit the dark's supply chain?
11. What happened with the all the steel failing initial theme? - My thoughts were - shit the dragons are screwed.
12. I would have expected at least one more gholam attack on the forces of the light's channelers
13. Logain's internal fight - it was a good idea/theme but poorly written

this shit sounds so loony and insane i kind of want to read it

i forgot all aboit logain! and moridin! and a bunch of other people!

jesus i thought moiraine was deead when did she come back

no fuckin way man do your own donkeywork

i don't think i can.
i'm scared.

i guess we don't have to worry about spoilers anymore

http://www.wotsummary.com/

srsly ian read them if time allows- the last three in particular you'd fly through

tho idk maybe you'd need to start all over again to remember everything

tho again that said most of em are kinda just forgotten about rly, come the last battle

i think if i started with path of daggers or crown of swords or whatever i would be okay.
but i don't own 'em anymore. or i do, but they're in a box in my dad's attic.

ebookssssss

this was sold out everywhere when I tried to buy it on coming back from thailand, so had to wait a week.

I enjoyed it heaps even though every criticism so far is OTM.

Making Egwene such an unimpeachable hero was a great bitchslap to all her internet haters (though presumably rj had planned that plot point a long time) - I heartily approve.

p sure the last one of these I read was book 9, should I read this new thingy and just see how it all ends

does it end with Rand taking a bath with his three girlfriends

basically

Just shows what jesus could have gotten up to if he hadnt lived with his mum

I skipped and picked through bits again from the last few chapters. Not great stuff. Last battle essentially turned into an ashaman i couldnt gaf about playing benny hill with gateways and cannon. The last chapters are really garbled. Nothing ever feels like it is in the balance. Nothing has since rand came down from dragonmount, maybe. Lamp v otm.

Don't want to reread any of it lest I form the same opinion.

Most disappointingly lightweight plot line was the treatment of the Aiel storyline, which was fine in substance - generally speaking the idea was a nice meld of the prior prophecies, their general narrative arc esp. in books 4 - 6, and the out-of-nowhere stuff from Aviendha's visions - but so glossed over and pat-seeming in execution that it may as well not have been there; it felt like a false resolution.

There's so much of that, tho. Logain's ten minute faux-struggle, cut. Perrin loses er outdoors again for ten mins, cut. Elayne definitely gonna be killed this time lol not really, cut. Cmon folks we're meant to be trimming this shit down.

actually, rand goes and talks to a dark one in a cave, decides not to surrender, cut.

some dude with a sword attacks Demandred. Repeat.

RIPeat

For real tho i'm srsly pissed we didnt get a demandred book he was awes

There definitely was a lot of obvious signposting going on in this but with all of the buildup with near misses and getting Healed from the brink of death, I totally did not see Gawyn's death coming; after he died though I figured it was a matter of time before Egwene bit it as well.

I'd love to read a postlude about how Pevara changes the outlook and purpose of the Red Ajah in the aftermath of this book, actually

Yeah, the unwritten ps's here would have been much more interesting (and fitting) than the 75% pointless samey battle we got.

Aiel, white/black towers, seanchan, all of it v deliberately left hanging

lol I've already forgotten who was railroaded into becoming Amyrlin at the end

> For real tho i'm srsly pissed we didnt get a demandred book he was awes

well there is a demandred in shara short story coming in, i think, april

more thots on book later, just, well, not re-read but skimmed it thru it again today while stuck in various waiting rooms

Yeah i picked out the ten or twelve passages that werent ppl easily killing fades and trollocs and just flipped through them again

Kinda fitting that while on some objective level too much attention was devoted Pevara/Androl in this book I actually thought this was some of the strongest stuff... excepting the fact that they mindread in SMS.

yeah, i quite liked their scenes. Maybe Saunderson felt he could cut loose a bit more with minor characters

not sure why i'm apparently unable to type Sanderson

I think the first thing that needed to happen to make this truly work would have been to turn it into two books, the first book ending with:

(a) everyone realising the four commanders are trying to destroy the armies; and
(b) Rand touching the black bubble and falling unconscious.

Pevara androl were sanderson characters and didnt need to be all over the book. Regardless of how strong or not the stuff was (and tbh i was meh-ish) they did not earn 10% attention in a finale that was already struggling for space

No that's right, my point was that b/c he devoted too much attention to them I actually felt their scenes read better than the more compressed-feeling big plot developments.

Agreed on that, yeah

I think the first thing that needed to happen to make this truly work would have been to turn it into two books

signed, Tim Foherty