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yeah it is amusing to look at the first four or so sets. because you think about Legends and Arabian Nights and you think about Library, Mana Drain, Nether Void, Tabernacle, Mirror Universe, all these insane Type 1 cards, then you look at the rest of the set and it's filled with stuff like this:

I remember going through the Arabian Nights spoiler list and realizing that there's really only ONE card in the entire set that they would print today, and it's Juzam Djinn.

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

guess that image didnt take. this is your typical Legends card:

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

there is something great about the innocence of it all

iatee, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

they didn't know the cards sucked! they really had no idea how badly the cards sucked

iatee, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

alpha has so many garbage rares but its practically a different game so it's sorta pointless to compare

Lamp, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

basalt monolith.

one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

o.g. magic >>>>>> numagic fuiud

one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

for sure

iatee, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

ian do you wanna play irl sometime? I have zero cards. but I sorta want to go to this: http://www.theawl.com/2012/02/midtowns-magic-gathering

iatee, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

what is "vigilance"?

one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

just a new name for the serra angel ability

iatee, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

i would go play in the magic midtown meetup or w/e. it seems okay. monday is a good day for me, at the moment, because i don't work late.
i have a few decks, we could share. there is a green/white and a black/blue and maybe a red/green as well..

one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

but but but that's what made the serra angel so special.

one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

all pretty much using cards from around revised/fourth edition/weatherlight era.

one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

sorri 'm not maing ayny sense.

one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

if i still have any dual lands not in decks i think i am going to trade them to the game store for Diplomacy or Settlers of Catan or something.

one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

that was the golden age for me too

wanna go next week?

iatee, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

o.g. magic >>>>>> numagic fuiud

i like the look of the cards and general vibe of really old magic esp like arabian nights - antiquities and a/b/u but i didnt play magic in 93 and i dont really have the money to spend on those cards so

Lamp people actually play block constructed where you live?

it was just a one-off as far as i know but my friends and i play strictly block cuz we all p much stared playing/playing again w/innistrad

Lamp, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

card art used to be better too..

one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

iatee, i will try for next week! i do not know what time? and i can't commit 100% because i'm starting a new part time gig that day and am not sure what time it finishes.

one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

that link doesn't say, it seems so informal that there might not be a set time? I get off at 5 in midtown but can hang around til whenever.

iatee, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Inspired by this thread/the equiv thread in the sandbox, I found some local bars here that have weekly drafts and went along to a couple of them after getting some practice in (also, reading about a decade's worth of Mark Rosewater columns on design, heh) - was pretty easy to slip back into (sets seem pretty draft-friendly), but quite a different game to when I stopped playing (Tempest-y?).
One of the nights they ran a "Chaos draft" using a couple of boosters from nearly every set back to The Dark & Homelands - they make Legends/Arabian Nights look pretty powerful, heh. Lot of people seem to play EDH/Commander, but I don't think I could easily rustle up a deck.

etc, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

chaos draft sounds rad, wouldn't that be super expensive tho

iatee, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

revised and later packs are actually p cheap because there are so many unplayable rares

Lamp, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

Don't think there's any equiv to the Stasis artwork these days. Used to love all the Tennyson/Shakespeare/Poe/etc quotes on Legends-era cards, too.

xpost It was 15 euro to enter IIRC (as opposed to 10 for the normal draft) - the guy who organises the weekly events has heaps of boosters lying around apparently and does something like this once a year; I don't think there was anything "valuable" like Alliances/Revised/Antiquities involved. They also had a few packs of Renaissance in Italian, which got confusing pretty fast.

etc, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 16:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

they didn't know the cards sucked! they really had no idea how badly the cards sucked

That's what makes them so entertaining to look at! Especially the legends, their abilities/mana cost/power and toughness wouldn't coorelate at all. It would all seem so random. There would be 2/3 creatures with First Strike, where it's like, what sense does it make to have a first striker with a higher toughness than power? Just things that made no mechanical sense at all. I agree that's there's something endearing about it all! (especially in the art)

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 17:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha 2/3 first strike is p rad

i want to build a vintage deck out of all the weird enchant land cards in white cuz they are my absolute favorite kind of cards but its funny how little most of them end up doing

frogs are you playing standard at all? what are you playing?

Lamp, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 17:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

One of the nights they ran a "Chaos draft" using a couple of boosters from nearly every set back to The Dark & Homelands - they make Legends/Arabian Nights look pretty powerful, heh

We tried this on Netdraft once with the first five expansions. Those sets were clearly NOT made to be drafted. I thought it would be a lot more fun than it wound up being.

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 17:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

frogs are you playing standard at all? what are you playing?

Yeah - my local store is running tournaments with a $1k prize pool which is getting people from all over the state. I wound up getting 3rd/4th with a Seance deck - it was one of the most mentally exhausting tournaments I've ever played. Basically the idea is to win with Lab Maniac, but you can also win with Sun Titan/Phantasmal Image. Now I'm working on an Undying/Proliferate/Culling Dias deck, but I'm not sure if I can get it to compete.

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 17:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha i saw that seance/lab maniac deck online and was... skeptical

i have a decent undying deck but its not really standard ready, G/r aggro seems p neat tho

Lamp, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 17:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

i got 2nd place at a ~60 man tournament last month w/ my birthing pod deck, i think i'm cool with that being the pinnacle of my competitive MTG career

there's a starcitygames open in providence next month that i wanted to play in but then i realized its the exact weekend the new set comes out so i'd have about 24 hours to get any important new cards to update my deck with

ciderpress, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 17:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp - Where'd you see it online? basically I've been trying to use Mirror-Mad Phantasm for a long time and Seance seemed like the perfect fit. I really had no idea what to put in the deck so I'd be interested to see other people's ideas for it. Feel like I got lucky with it though, lots of very close victories and I didn't have to mulligan all day.

G/R aggro definitely is good - Strangleroot Geist and Huntsmaster are so ridiculously powerful. Along with Geralf's Messenger that's three insane "2 for 1" (or more!) creatures that can't be dealt with efficiently at all. Sadly I never pulled a Huntsmaster so G/R is off limits for me. Also they're all insane with Birthing Pod. Pod seems like such an insane card now that "Sacrifice a creature" instead means "put a +1/+1 counter on a creature"

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 17:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

there should be a thread on it on mtgsalvation i think he was using snapcasters and armored skaabs in addition to i think 2xlab maniac and 2xmirror-mad

haha i pulled total garbage from innistrad packs but i got three huntmasters (and a sorin) in the dka packs ive opened and traded two cages and a drogs reaver i pulled for the last garruck i needed so i have a p expensive deck for the cost of like half a box? predator ooze is a p insane card too and the combo of undying + blasphemous act is really powerful esp if you have some flayers out and i did really well in the block tournament but i dont think it has enough power for standard...

Lamp, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 17:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

frogbs i was testing a 4-color seance/unburial deck last month, i'll find the list when i get home from work. it was pretty sweet, though maybe a turn too slow to be really competetive

ciderpress, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 17:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah post the list - mine was just blue/white with some black for Unburial. also Lamp I don't know why you'd want more than one Mirror-Mad - that kills off a lot of the combo potential. you also only need one Lab Maniac. Noxious Revival is a really good card if you're aggressively milling yourself.

the creatures I used were 4 Phantasmal Images, 4 Armored Skaabs, 3 Merfolk Looters, 2 Sun Titans, and 2 Sphinx of Uthuun (really, really, really good in this deck), in addition to the 1 Lab Man and Mirror-Mad. Images and Skaabs really help stall vs. aggro. Ultimately, I lost the way I figured I would - game 3 of the match to go to the finals and I get Nihil Spellbombed 3 times. Not much you can do about that...

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

undying + blasphemous act is really powerful esp if you have some flayers out

exactly! I am not sure but I think 2 Flayers + 1 Act = 20 damage, b/c each trigger twice? I don't know, but I really like the Flayer anyway.

the keys to that deck (at least the ones I've built) are Culling Dias and Phantasmal Image. Dias turns Young Wolf into a one-mana 2/2 that draws a card. Geist into a 3/2 for GG that draws. It's insane. Image + Undying is also super abusable.

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 17:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

no i was just misremembering - it was also an attempt at a block deck: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=404870

yeah the flayers trigger each other and you can choose the order in which they come back - you can also pump them with kessig before damage resolves apparently but im kinda shaky on some of the rules so have never attempted it

Lamp, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 17:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Well, that implies you "only" get 15 damage, since that would be one trigger, then two. I don't really know. The whole deck is a rules nightmare. But it's damn fun!

I haven't really thought about block Seance - I mean Sphinx/Looter/Image were so vital to what I had, I would think you'd have to do something else. However, not having to play against Nihil Spellbomb and Surgical Extraction seem like a massive plus!!

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

uh, i will giant growth my tundra wolves for four, your go.

one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha

Lamp, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

pretty sure you'll get 20 damage because they both see each other upon entry simultaneously. it's kind of like in the valakut decks last year where if you were at 4 mountains and then fetched up 2 with your titan, valakut triggered for both of them

ciderpress, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

ahh, good. Flayer seems like a really underappreciated card in general. I don't know why the 5-color Unburial Rites decks don't pack a couple.

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

inferno titan's 3 damage divided is just better in the current format, plus you get it again every turn if they dont deal w/ it. flayer kills hero of bladehold but other than that has no great advantage

flayer's def a card to watch for post-rotation but right now the other 6s just blow it out of the water

ciderpress, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

though i did try to make a modern deck that milled/dredged itself then cast Pyrrhic Revival to 1-shot the opponent with Flayers and friends. it wasn't very good.

ciderpress, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

the advantage of flayer is that it's better vs. decks with lots of spot removal, which Rites can struggle with. but you're right, that is the reason why. really, the problem with Standard now is that the Titans are all so good that other 6-7 mana creatures are nearly unplayable. I really hope they don't come back this year.

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha yeah titans are a big part of the reason that the avancyn is so unplayable, really, theyre the benchmark atm

i dont mind though since it keeps really good creatures cheap - a playset of flayers cost me $4 - and i have no real desire to play standard competitively

Lamp, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 18:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, now more than ever there seem to be a LOT of quality rares in the $1-3 range. instead of ranging from $3-$20 as they did in the pre-mythic days, now everything is either $1-3, $7-8, or $30+. I picked up four Skinshifters from M12 for four bucks, which is nuts because that card seems very, very good. Just don't know how to use him yet.

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

skinshifter was actually awesome against cawblade, i spent the last couple months between m12 and innistrad rotation beating people up with them. not sure if there's ever gonna be an aggro deck that wants it over strangleroot geist now though

ciderpress, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 19:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

there's a starcitygames open in providence next month that i wanted to play in

going to one of these seems like a nightmare

Lamp, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 20:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

From what I've heard the prize support is awful, so it's probably not worth it. I don't know much about the pro scene but it seems like with the metagame shifting so rapidly due to the internet and the wide breadth of viable decks in Standard, you can't place high without a good deal of luck. Most Standard formats I remember only had two or three real "Tier 1" decks which meant it was easy to build something specialized to compete.

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 20:50 (2 years ago) Permalink


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