― fletrejet, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:50 (10 years ago) Permalink
We tried to revive it this year but the school we go to now has serious players who came and wanted to play w/ us and they were very anal about all the rules and also they actually had decks with, y'know, a strategy. Plus protection for all the cards and they wouldn't stop talking about rare cards and such- I'm a geek, but ya gotta draw the line somewhere. So now it's dud.
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:11 (10 years ago) Permalink
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:14 (10 years ago) Permalink
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:15 (10 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, Magic is a game that completely falls apart when people start to take it seriously. It quickly becomes that only certain cards in certain types of decks have a chance of winning, and often in very boring, cheepo, lucky-draw fashion.
Casual play is ok, but is still too expensive.
― fletrejet, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:19 (10 years ago) Permalink
― toraneko (toraneko), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 00:35 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Vinnie (vprabhu), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 06:14 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 07:34 (10 years ago) Permalink
if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules. you needn't bother playing if there are no limits placed on the composition of the deck. wizards of the coast probably still publishes its "restricted/banned" card list as well. check it out.
when i was about 15 to 16 i played in magic tournaments EVERY sunday, and played recreationally with friends most evenings. yes, you could say that it was a very signifigant part of that time in my very sad teenaged life. at one point in the remote northern alberta town of 35,000 i grew up in there were three comic shops that all pushed magic quite heavily and at least a couple more places where the cards were available. some people took it VERY seriously.
i won't argue that magic is a tremendous cash sucker, and ultimately it taught me nothing about anything (there is little about the game that transfers to other pursuits) but there is a tremendous beauty to the inner workings of the game. it's not just about how much money you spend on it. in tournament settings, i was able to consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs (engineers, systems analysts) simply by spending a lot of time evaluating how the cards in my deck worked together. quite often the answer is not an "expensive" card but four cheap, nasty ones.
― fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:20 (10 years ago) Permalink
― fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:21 (10 years ago) Permalink
if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules.
Why? I mean, in a tournament of course you do, but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:52 (10 years ago) Permalink
― fletrejet, Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:28 (10 years ago) Permalink
dude i was like fifteen ...
― fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:29 (10 years ago) Permalink
― A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:51 (10 years ago) Permalink
Haha, maybe that was a bit too nasty on my part, but still- why not play any way you bloody please (or was that "You MUST..." comment just the way you saw it when you were 15?)
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:32 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 23 January 2003 18:24 (10 years ago) Permalink
I'm going to be branded a geek now.. aren't I?
― Christopher (Christopher), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:41 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:44 (10 years ago) Permalink
― webber (webber), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:07 (10 years ago) Permalink
Let's count the ways we could parse that sentence, hmm?
― Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:41 (10 years ago) Permalink
A lot of Magic players are homophobic (in my experience) and in order to throw them off of their game, I would wear a shirt that symbolized gay pride.
What's really scary is that I'm thinking about playing in a sealed deck PTQ in a couple of weeks just to see if I can still compete after not playing for years.
― Christopher (Christopher), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:24 (10 years ago) Permalink
* (the one where you start with no cards in your card, draw one of your choice per turn, and no card can be played twice? It's kinda fun...)
― Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 18 April 2004 14:34 (9 years ago) Permalink
― stephen morris (stephen morris), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:35 (9 years ago) Permalink
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 18 April 2004 17:24 (9 years ago) Permalink
The "90-95% super homophobe" players mentioned above = DUD. If I was rich (xpost it's expensive xpost) I'd probably play Magic Online, and not have to see the fat guys with "horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voices" that unfortunately define the game.
― Richard K (Richard K), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 03:55 (8 years ago) Permalink
― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 04:06 (8 years ago) Permalink
i've been having a lot of "fun" playing with the old cards I rescued from my mom's house. i refuse to spend another cent on the game, however.
― ian, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:09 (5 years ago) Permalink
a couple years ago i went to a card & comix shop and built a decent blue-white deck for like $4.00, but all the newer card editions just had all these new retarded esoteric abilities that i had no idea about
― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:16 (5 years ago) Permalink
also, the art was all these, like, cyber dragons and BULLSHIT
― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:21 (5 years ago) Permalink
We should start an ILG thread where we play against each other using SCANNERS.
― nickalicious, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:25 (5 years ago) Permalink
i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.
― bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (5 years ago) Permalink
you should have been more intimidated by their allowances
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (5 years ago) Permalink
and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (5 years ago) Permalink
that is correct i am calling you bustas out
what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet
― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (5 years ago) Permalink
haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.
i think it's really fun now though.
― bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (5 years ago) Permalink
ok http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Andy/ProjectEBAY/MagicCards.html these prices are so retarded omg
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (5 years ago) Permalink
people should all be blown up
in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players
― max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (5 years ago) Permalink
i was obviously a magic player
green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering
― max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (5 years ago) Permalink
― deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (5 years ago) Permalink
if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things
― deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (5 years ago) Permalink
I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (5 years ago) Permalink
god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course
― brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (5 years ago) Permalink
my best nerd days are ahead of me still.
― bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (5 years ago) Permalink
mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (5 years ago) Permalink
i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50
― max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (5 years ago) Permalink
and my color selections were more noise
haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.
― burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (5 years ago) Permalink
fennel i used your civic saber deck as the basis for my block deck i went bigger and cut the saber package and instead focused on etb triggers and tempo
― Lamp, Friday, 17 May 2013 05:19 (6 days ago) Permalink
i decided to just throw together the varolz deck since i was only missing 1 card from it (varolz) and it seems to fit my criteria. will probably play it for the first time in the actual mocs event which is awkward but i honestly don't care too much about the mocs anyway
― ciderpress, Friday, 17 May 2013 13:06 (6 days ago) Permalink
this is pretty neat
― frogbs, Friday, 17 May 2013 13:25 (6 days ago) Permalink
fennel, that was GP Portland? Did you play against any cool brew-y decks?
― Vinnie, Friday, 17 May 2013 13:28 (6 days ago) Permalink
Also, I am very accustomed to the 6-3 GP :-/
― Vinnie, Friday, 17 May 2013 13:30 (6 days ago) Permalink
Woot! Went 3-0 in DGR draft at my LGS tonight. I made a vow to limit myself to 2 colors as much as possible and it paid off. My opponents had mana struggles while I managed to stay consistent.
Here's what I ran:
Rakdos cacklerMuggingElectrickerySyndic of tithesGore-house chainwalkerMartial gloryStreet spasmAzorius cluestoneAvenging arrowEmber beastViashino racketeerCourt street denizen2 Viashino firstbladeGift of orzhovaAssault griffinSmelt-ward gatekeepersSteeple rocNav squad commandosLavinia of the tenthFortress cyclopsBlaze commandoFoundry champion 7 plains7 mountains2 izzet guildgateRogue's passage
― Moodles, Saturday, 18 May 2013 05:24 (5 days ago) Permalink
really wanted this deck to do better than 1-2 :(
― beetlejuice mane (fennel cartwright), Sunday, 19 May 2013 19:35 (4 days ago) Permalink
well that didn't work. here's the url
― iatee, Sunday, 19 May 2013 22:55 (4 days ago) Permalink
been reading some of Matt Tabak's tumblr, which drops some interesting hints - one, there's apparently something in Theros that'll cause some older cards to get errata, and two, there is some upcoming mechanic that's something along the lines of Miracle/double-sided cards/split cards that sort of 'breaks' the existing rules.
― frogbs, Sunday, 19 May 2013 23:37 (4 days ago) Permalink
yeah i feel like there's been a lot of little hints dropped over the past year that theros has one of those game-changer mechanics in it
― ciderpress, Monday, 20 May 2013 02:13 (3 days ago) Permalink
gonna keep posting my 3-0 draft decks just so everyone can see how unimportant it is to actually have a good or cohesive deck:
― ciderpress, Monday, 20 May 2013 03:05 (3 days ago) Permalink
thats a p sweet deck
― Lamp, Monday, 20 May 2013 03:07 (3 days ago) Permalink
'you too can easily 3-0 with tajic and a bunch of aggressive 2 and 3 drops plus some removal'
thanks for the encouragement there cider, will keep that one in mind next time a draft goes sour
― Lamp, Monday, 20 May 2013 03:08 (3 days ago) Permalink
I'm watching my friend stream 4p sealed and he's won 3 games w/ guild feud (I suggested adding it)
― iatee, Monday, 20 May 2013 03:08 (3 days ago) Permalink
haha i guess its not that bad i just felt really gross about it when i ended up with only a few 2-drops and had to play a gatekeeper with 2 gates
2-drops seem barely existent in this format, no matter how high i move them up my pick order
― ciderpress, Monday, 20 May 2013 03:12 (3 days ago) Permalink
i went 2-2 at fnm with two two drops in my otherwise fine deck, i lost to a bunch of 3/1 haste guys. i realized that i really need to prioritize two drops in this format regardless of how slow or controlling i think my deck is - i had mostly been staying p clean but that deck was a true three color mess. i was happy to start 2-0 with it but then mad to lose two in a row, even if it was a bad deck
― Lamp, Monday, 20 May 2013 03:25 (3 days ago) Permalink
biggest mistake was passing up a fifth pick tithe drinker pack one and not moving in on orzhov, ended up passing lots of really good white and black and i should've recognized that as a clear signal.
― Lamp, Monday, 20 May 2013 03:26 (3 days ago) Permalink
figuring out where to take the gates is the big one for me right now. because I'll wind up with like 9-10 good cards in DGM but they will almost all be gold ones, then try to pick up gates in the other two packs but straight up not seeing any or having to pick a bomby rare/uncommon over them. and then inevitably you'll lose at least one match to mana screw.
seems like BUG is really working for me. Drown in Filth is like this set's Death's Approach in that I always end up with 2-3 of them and they work very well. i'm still waiting for the time I use it and mill four good cards and whiff, then draw nothing but lands the rest of the way. It's interesting because you never quite know who to mill. The Golgari cards all want you to mill yourself but if you're using Drown, Grislies, the GTC mill effects, and now Pilfered Plans on yourself you can really get decked kinda easily.
― frogbs, Monday, 20 May 2013 03:39 (3 days ago) Permalink
There aren't a lot of gates in RTR and GTC comparatively, right? Kind of taunting to have to pick up Gatekeepers and most of your gates in the first pack.
I actually drafted BUG today in my very first draft of this format, top 8 of a GPT for Providence. I was reasonably happy with how it went - even though there were no bombs, I got good fixing, a few removal spells, good attackers like Rakdos Drake and Beetleform Mage. But my round 1 opponent had Teysa, Trostani, and Vitu-Ghazi Guildmage, so that was that.
― Vinnie, Monday, 20 May 2013 03:54 (3 days ago) Permalink
yeah I agree about drown in filth. it's also kinda fun cause it adds a gambly element to your play.
― iatee, Monday, 20 May 2013 04:18 (3 days ago) Permalink
I had a sweet jund deck tonight w/ deadbridge chant, desecration demon, 2 augers, putrefy etc etc. deadbridge is pretty fun to land.
― iatee, Monday, 20 May 2013 04:21 (3 days ago) Permalink
I curved spike jester, dreg mangler, desecration demon one game
― iatee, Monday, 20 May 2013 04:22 (3 days ago) Permalink
lamp, it's encouraging to hear you've continued to roll with that american shell. i think i might dip back into block constructed as a precursor to finally learning standard. gonna try and go for it.
i always thought the big problem with that deck was the 2-drop, and i'm wondering if electromancer might be the card there, just to speed things up a turn. shaving a turn off verdict is probably huge against those burning tree zoo decks that seem to be dominating. i was hoping it would reduce the turn/burn cost to 1UR but even at 2UR it's still pretty good. also considering running warleader's helix against zoo, too.
so i think i might add:
- skymark roc (which on second thought after looking at the tourney winner lists seems kinda dodgy... i need a 4-drop bad)- turn/burn- electromancer- lavinia- hellraiser goblin SB- essence backlash SB
and take out:
- skyjek- judge's- hypersonic- a bunch of charms
hopefully i'll get a chance to test that out this week... it's a toss up whether i get time or not. i'm working outside for the summer so i think about magic a fair bit during my toiling job, with precious little time to actually play
― beetlejuice mane (fennel cartwright), Monday, 20 May 2013 05:50 (3 days ago) Permalink
pretty disappointed that thundermaw hellkite isn't in m14, was banking on that one getting the two-time treatment that titans and baneslayer angel got
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 16:48 (2 days ago) Permalink
is that for sure? i checked the name/# crunch on mtgsalvation and theres space for it. a little disappointed cuz i still held onto a playset of that card
― Lamp, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 23:05 (2 days ago) Permalink
well there's another mythic dragon spoiled already, so unless there's 3 red mythics of which 2 are dragons then it's not in. i guess its possible
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 23:21 (2 days ago) Permalink
ok yeah i didnt see those four new cards :(. was hoping for a 3XX mythic cycle with thundermaw and the black and white cards already spoiled.
― Lamp, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 23:25 (2 days ago) Permalink
the angel is pretty insane and might show up in melira pod in modern even
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 02:32 (Yesterday) Permalink
another fun america deck tonight
2 nivix cyclops2 stealer of secretsdaring skyjeknivix guildmageazorius justiciar cinder elemental deputy of acquittalsjelenn sphinxbloodfray giantripscale predator2 dramatic rescueact of treasontraitorous instinctpit fightwarleader's helixswift justiceinaction injunctionlast thoughtsboros/azorius/izzet gates, 2 cluestones, sacred foundry
best two wins involved: swift justicing an opponent's voidwielder to kill the 6/2 I stole, nivix guildmaging dramatic rescue then doubling act of treason next turn to win against collective blessing, would have had an even better deck if the other america - who I met in the finals - didn't take two nivix cyclops too.
― iatee, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 02:46 (Yesterday) Permalink
you're way higher on the cyclops than anyone here i know. i'd like to be but i have yet to get them in the same deck as actual playable instants/sorceries despite trying several times already
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 03:02 (Yesterday) Permalink
that deck is straight fire though, i like it a lot
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 03:03 (Yesterday) Permalink
you sorta gotta force spells hard as soon as you realize it's there. and take act of treason / traitorous instinct / pit fight over basically anything, because having a combination of those and nivix allows you to blowout the early game / regularly swing for 18.
― iatee, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 03:14 (Yesterday) Permalink
oh yeah pit fight is clever there, i usually glaze over it if i'm not in green.
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 03:31 (Yesterday) Permalink
yeah act + pit fight is pretty fun trick on its own, did it all the time in gtc, in this build all 5 of those cards work well together
― iatee, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 03:35 (Yesterday) Permalink
tho swift justice was actually the mvp of the deck, the lifelink was v. relevant
― iatee, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 03:37 (Yesterday) Permalink
young pyromancer is the m14 card for me so far. was thinking if standard storm could be a thing and yep. add it to this list and i think you can pretty much go off
― beetlejuice mane (fennel cartwright), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 14:19 (Yesterday) Permalink
that deck already existed and was pretty good pre-gatecrash, the guys over at goodgamery designed it originally. it couldn't race fast aggro though so blitz and better mono-red kind of killed it, not sure just how much the pyromancer will help there but it's possible.
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 14:32 (Yesterday) Permalink
hey there's a standard deck I can build without having to buy anything (except for past in flames)
I played a similar deck with some Scars-era cards (like the sac and artifact to make 3 Goblins thing). Basically you needed to Miracle a Reforge or else you'd get crushed early. But the addition of blue looks interesting...
― frogbs, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 14:34 (Yesterday) Permalink
yeah i played burn at the stake combo deck in a couple of dailies after rtr came out but even then it wasn't great, but it was a lot of fun
― Lamp, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 14:35 (Yesterday) Permalink
it got great opponent reactions from people who hadn't seen it, especially when you actually went off storm-style with past in flames/reforge/etc
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 14:37 (Yesterday) Permalink
big rules change just announced for M14 - the legend rule and planeswalker uniqueness rule now apply separately to each player's side of the board.
plus a few smaller things
― ciderpress, Thursday, 23 May 2013 04:18 (8 hours ago) Permalink
realllllly not a fan of these changes, not sure if im developing the serious magic players sheer dislike of change or if this seems like a really stupid change but either way
― Lamp, Thursday, 23 May 2013 05:22 (7 hours ago) Permalink
i'm in favor of sacrificing flavor for better gameplay which i believe is what this essentially is. the initial awkwardness will wear off especially as future sets are designed more towards it
― ciderpress, Thursday, 23 May 2013 05:42 (7 hours ago) Permalink
i dont care about the flavor - im not sure how much flavor the current rule has tbrr. and it opens up some interesting play space particularly with planeswalkers but i think it limits what they can do w/legends - really i'd be fine with them changing the planeswalker rule but keeping the legends one. i feel like initially it really fucks over non-standard formats?
i dont really but that the current rule was a problem, or that being able to use a copy of a legend as a terror was that unfun or limiting versus having an additional out to powerful or hard to deal with legends.
― Lamp, Thursday, 23 May 2013 05:51 (6 hours ago) Permalink
also iatee as the resident nivix cyclops expert is furious resistance a real card in a deck w/two of them?
― Lamp, Thursday, 23 May 2013 05:53 (6 hours ago) Permalink
i think it's more fun to be able to play your cool cards than not. wizards seems to be pushing the complex, cluttered boardstate and i like it. the game gets so much more challenging when you have to consider both board and hand.
― beetlejuice mane (fennel cartwright), Thursday, 23 May 2013 05:55 (6 hours ago) Permalink
I'm definitely a fan of having your JTMS replace your JAOS when he comes down, rather than engage in some sort of mutual suicide pact; that just feels more sensible to me, and I guess this rule is necessary otherwise you could replace your opponent's Legends which would be super brutal.
I'm glad they waited until Geist went away though.
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Thursday, 23 May 2013 10:03 (2 hours ago) Permalink
I mean I use nivix as an aggro card so it wouldn't be ideal in the spell-heavy build because you want the option to play your hand and surprise swing with a 10/4.
if your deck is slower otoh it's just like adding a smite. but it already kinda was. so I guess the answer is 'depends on how the rest of your deck looks'
― iatee, Thursday, 23 May 2013 12:09 (40 minutes ago) Permalink
I will say that using Phantasmal Image as a 2-mana kill spell for Hexproof dudes like Geist and Thrun felt a little odd. If nothing else they at least got that weird bit out of the system. Also I imagine this needs we will get more legendary lands because the #1 downside (randomly turning cards into Strip Mines) is now gone. Also if I'm not mistaken this makes Mox Opal a little better. I'm primarily a Limited player though so I doubt this'll mean much to me - but I can only imagine how outraged some of the more serious players must be (first...you came for MY SLIVERS...and now...)
BTW total thumbs up on the sideboarding rule. I always wondered why you couldn't do that.
― frogbs, Thursday, 23 May 2013 12:28 (21 minutes ago) Permalink