Bloomberg: What the hell is his problem?

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So I'm watching the news and see this one ad, the anti-smoking ad, for the millionth time. It's got all these cute bubbly waitresses going around, talking about how they promise they won't fuck up your order if you don't smoke in their restaurant and you agree with the smoking ban. A referendum which is not up for popular vote, I add.

This ad has been bookended by stories about the MTA strike (non-NYers: our public transit is all threatening to go on strike starting this weekend if they don't get raises) and a story about how they're going to shut down firehouses in the city because there is no money.

That ad is paid for by the government. As is all the tourism ads that seem to be exclusively shown in NY state.

So we have money for that but not for firehouses and public transit? What the hell?

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 03:39 (11 years ago) Permalink

what do you expect for electing a greedy rich boy to office.

Mike Hanle y (mike), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 03:44 (11 years ago) Permalink

I didn't vote for him! He's obviously insane!

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 03:50 (11 years ago) Permalink

From what I have read about Bloomberg, smoking seems like his personal vendetta. He's an ex-smoker, and they are usually the ones who get so annoyingly evangelistic about the evils of smoking. He should do it on his own dime if he's that obsessed with it.

Still, they can't be as repulsive and off-putting as "The Truth" ads -- they usually make me want to take up smoking for a minute or so, if those are the kind of self-righteous assholes who are that upset by smoking.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 04:03 (11 years ago) Permalink

WHat was the deal with Gulianni anyways? Was he good? I heard he reduced crime, and of course he was sainted during the post 9-11 days, but what else did he do? I dont say that criticizingly, I really dont know much about his term.

Mike Hanle y (mike), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 04:20 (11 years ago) Permalink

He wore women's clothing.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 04:34 (11 years ago) Permalink

Did he hang around in bars?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 04:47 (11 years ago) Permalink

He stood next to Joe Torre

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 04:51 (11 years ago) Permalink

They just passed a smoking ban in Florida this election. All restaurants and bars except for 'stand up only, no food bars' are required to remove their smoking sections. I understand the reasoning behind it, but doesn't it seem a bit overbearing? I mean, it's anyone's choice to smoke, right? And then you get the "I have asthma and smoking in restaurants is bad for my lungs" commercials...well no shit...go to another restaurant..i mean I'm sorry you can't breathe and everything, but go somewhere else....if you don't liek it here, nobody's keeping you here...just like nobody's telling me I have to smoke...

B, Tuesday, 10 December 2002 04:59 (11 years ago) Permalink

Oh god, I had completely forgotten about Giuliani in drag.

rosemary (rosemary), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 05:01 (11 years ago) Permalink

b - staff can't really go elsewhere.

minna (minna), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 05:25 (11 years ago) Permalink

Why not? The Union say they have to work there?

B, Tuesday, 10 December 2002 05:27 (11 years ago) Permalink

finding a new job is much harder than going outside for a cigarette!

minna (minna), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 05:53 (11 years ago) Permalink

I hate non-smokers. Anybody who's that anal about wanting to increase their life expectancy is just being narcissistic.

dave q, Tuesday, 10 December 2002 06:54 (11 years ago) Permalink

kick that bum Bloomberg out NOW!

Paul (scifisoul), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 17:11 (11 years ago) Permalink

Listen, I personally don't have issue with banning smoking in restaurants (it seems most already have anyhow?) and even those dodgy bar/restaurants you see so much in the city (and at Red Lobster) - but a regular no holds barred bar or club? Surely when you apply for a job there you no what you're getting into? It's like being an AA member in recovery and then becoming a bartender and being pissed at serving alcohol.

For what it's worth, most barmaids I know don't support the potential bars-included ban in NYC, because more customers nipping outside for a smoke = less customers inside tipping the barmaids.

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 06:26 (11 years ago) Permalink

I must say, I really really really don't like smoking (I've never done it myself for a reason) but, uh, isn't that why bars were invented? So you could go out and smoke and drink and be bad until 9 in the morning? Hello!

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 06:37 (11 years ago) Permalink

also, Bloomberg is a fucking scumbag for his recycling-suspension alone; for this he oughta be flogged (and I'm anti-smoking!)

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 06:37 (11 years ago) Permalink

What about farting in restaurants? Its about time something was done. or "loudtalking".

Mike Hanle y (mike), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 06:39 (11 years ago) Permalink

I don't smoke either, and i don't particularly liek being around it, but a government ban as opposed to an individual restaurant decision is too impeding in my opinion.

B, Wednesday, 11 December 2002 06:43 (11 years ago) Permalink

local governments can most definitely regulate (or ban outright) cigarette smoking ... it's a longstanding constitutional law doctrine that states and municipalities are free to regulate for the "health, safety, and welfare" of those under their jurisdiction unless such regulation violates some fundamental right. and i don't think anyone would get very far in any court by claiming that banning cigarette smoking in restaurants is an unconstitutional violation of a fundamental right.

(not saying that i like this regulation myself ... since i smoke like a chimney ... but it's probably constitutional)

Tadeusz Dershowitz, Esq. (llamasfur), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 06:51 (11 years ago) Permalink

i should have said "regulate (or ban outright) cigarette smoking in public places and probably restaurants."

but hey, i was too stupid to go to Columbia Law or Harvard Law, so cut me some slack ;-p

Tad (llamasfur), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 06:54 (11 years ago) Permalink

I think that because a restaurant is a private institution esentially, it does violate a fundamental right of that establishment by regulating it's policies within. A police officer can't declare fault, or even respond in some cases, to an accident on private property....why should another function of that same government be able to regulatethe practices onthat same property?

B, Wednesday, 11 December 2002 06:56 (11 years ago) Permalink

states and municipalities already do regulate policies within restaurants and other private institutions -- through fire codes, environmental codes, health and safety violations, etc. and there are different legal standards governing how the police can constitutionally enter one's private property and how health and safety inspectors can enter one's private property (even in this Rehnquist Court world).

Tad (llamasfur), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 07:03 (11 years ago) Permalink

Oh Iknow, but where do they draw the line? Regulating building and fire codes ensures the safety of those around, which is just as well...but smoking only concerns those inside, which I believe is over the line...if we allow smoking to fall under the same categories as fire and building codes, then it could also be regulated in a personal dwelling...

B, Wednesday, 11 December 2002 07:23 (11 years ago) Permalink

(Giuliani getting credit for lowering crime rates is suspect: The city was in a serious economic boom, thus lots of jobs = no crime, fewer homeless, etc., etc. Obviously post 9-11 he was breathtaking... This will sound corny, but I felt much calmer after watching his press conferences in that wood-paneled room... But overall he's still a suckah!)

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 16:21 (11 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but he was a suckah with a personality, which gets you a long way. Bloomberg has no personality besides strangely paperesque. And obv. insane.

I mean obviously being a song and dance fancy boy like Giuliani doesn't mean you're going to be a good mayor at all but it certainly is more entertaining.

i got the flu.

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 20:22 (11 years ago) Permalink

Bloomberg is also 5'2" or something. I've met him twice (when I say met I mean he shook my hand for whatever reason) and he is astonishingly short. Who knows how many Manhattan phonebooks he's standing on behind those podiums.

Most uncomfortable Bloomie moment: When the NFL had the season kickoff party in Times Square and Bloomie went out to the drunk crowd, who had just been grooving to Bon Jovi, to rile them up more. He was stiffer than [penis joke] in a [penis joke]!

(I'm sick too. My girlfriend's got it way bad, though.)

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 20:26 (11 years ago) Permalink

don't you all go and forget "Sensation" that stank.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 20:28 (11 years ago) Permalink

Giuliani had an extremely confrontational and dictatorial style that works well with people in the Police Dept but doesn't work so well in the spaghetti of city agencies and constituencies that any NY mayor has to placate and deal with on a weekly basis. He refused to play ball unless there was something in it for him (i.e. demonstrable votes or other more immediate civic powers). He would just announce things, bypassing consultations with groups that traditionally were included in policy discussions.

From what I hear Bloomberg's not nearly as confrontational and abrasive but he's actually worse about including people - poss due to his experience as CEO, where you don't generally poll the janitors or whatever before making a big change. At least with Giuliani you knew where you stood - in the rain, usually, getting beaten by cops.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 21:02 (11 years ago) Permalink

Manon Lescault has got the flu!

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 21:31 (11 years ago) Permalink

Pardon me, that's "Lescaut."

des grieux (nabisco), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 21:33 (11 years ago) Permalink

Other Giuliani achievements: fining clubs for allowing patrons to dance and promising to prosecute people who set off firecrackers on Chinese New Year

I think it's safe to say that the man hates fun

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 21:35 (11 years ago) Permalink

Giuliani had an extremely confrontational and dictatorial style that works well with people in the Police Dept but doesn't work so well in the spaghetti of city agencies and constituencies that any NY mayor has to placate and deal with on a weekly basis. He refused to play ball unless there was something in it for him (i.e. demonstrable votes or other more immediate civic powers). He would just announce things, bypassing consultations with groups that traditionally were included in policy discussions.

= GREATEST MAYOR EVER IN HISTORY! I never thought of him that way but that's exactly how I'd do things to, I'd be all like, fuck you all, I don't care what you gotta say, I pity the fool who thinks I care what you gotta say, then I'd be all doing things.

Except I wouldn't ban dancing, that's silly. The man can't hate fun though - the drag!

Manon Lescaut is officially a book for assholes, stop talking about it.

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 23:10 (11 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
I'm a fan of Bloomberg. Why? 311 was a good idea. He's Laissez Faire. And I support the banning of car alarms and the ticketing for noisy dogs.

Ghostface Threadkillah (calstars), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 02:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

if ally were mayor, she'd be a female giuliani. would she dress up as a dude on saturday night live, though?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 02:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

I would immediately enact a law against me doing or saying anything while having the flu.

Allyzay, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 02:41 (10 years ago) Permalink

made-up quotes attributed to john stuart mill (shit, throw in david hume too!) would be carved onto city hall's walls.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 02:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

I was half-expecting this revive to be courtesy of the Pinefox.

Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 05:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

there's something about bloomberg i actually like. perhaps his lack of "folksiness"--a disease that seems to plague all politicians these days, whether they come to it naturally or at the urgings of consultants.

what is manon lescaut?

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 05:33 (10 years ago) Permalink

A reference to Ally's email address. It is also a novel and an opera.

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 11:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

I 'm with amateur!st -- I sorta like that Bloomberg doesn't mind taking a few shots to get what he wants to do done. Whether you like his smoking ban, recycling cutbacks (restored), tax increases (rolled back), etc. or not, at least he's had the political will to see them through. He's had a tough act to follow, picking up where the deified Giuliani left off, and I think he's been smart not to try to fill those shoes.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 13:19 (10 years ago) Permalink

311 was a good idea.

yeah, altho he didn't think of it. Chicago had a 311 line at least 2 years before NYC.

Bloomberg sucks because he hates ice cream and puppies.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 13:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

4 years pass...

\\\\\\\\YES//////// (ice crӕm), Tuesday, 30 September 2008 18:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

Mackro Mackro, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 19:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

velko, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 19:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

not saying i'll vote for him (not saying i won't either), but term limits suck

gabbneb, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 20:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

yah theyre completely undemocratic

\\\\\\\\YES//////// (ice crӕm), Tuesday, 30 September 2008 20:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

if i didn't think so, i might have more of a problem with his making a push as a sitting mayor in a 'crisis' context

gabbneb, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 20:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

would i feel the same if we still had giuliani? uhhh.

gabbneb, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 20:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

so awesome, fuck you Granny Mike

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 13:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

"If you look at how menus have changed, whether it be in fast food or family dining, you are seeing more and more healthy options," Cashion says. "Not because of legislative mandates or regulatory mandates, but because of consumer demand. Our industry has always been one to respond to the marketplace."

iatee, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 18:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

time to start shaming instead I guess

No, not sinister (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 15 March 2013 16:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

ugh just learned about this, fuck this earth

k3vin k., Saturday, 16 March 2013 17:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

Deal reached on paid sick leave over opposition of Mayor Whineberg, after Mayor-in-Waiting Pantsuit caves:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/29/nyregion/deal-reached-on-paid-sick-leave-in-new-york-city.html

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 March 2013 13:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

WOMEN VOTERS FOR CHANGE
nyc

BLOOMBERG: YOUR IDEA STINKS!

I live in a tiny NYC apartment with no room for even a garbage can. I am a senior citizen, and can hardly make it to my garbage room, no less get out of bed with my tired joints.

Now you want me to recycle my scraps of food?

How dare you impose your idea on the sick, dying, and elderly.

ARE YOU GOING TO FINE THOSE WHO ARE TOO OLD SND FEEBLE TO SORT EVEN MORE OF THEIR GARBAGE WHEN THEY HARDLY CAN REMEMBER TO TAKE THEIR MEDS!

SHAME ON YOU BLOOMBERG!

iatee, Monday, 17 June 2013 02:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

god that nyt article is stupidly framed

max, Monday, 17 June 2013 10:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

El Bloombito will now try some monetized blackmail on the City Council:

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/01/mayor_bloomberg_decides_to_spend_some_money_to_save_stop_and_frisk/

playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Monday, 1 July 2013 14:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

60 Clarkson was notorious when I lived in Flatbush. It was def regarded as a "problem building" on that block.

chinavision!, Monday, 12 August 2013 15:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

he knows that to the extent there are any busts they're gonna be for weed, right

"Dave Barlow" is the name Lou uses on sabermetrics baseball sites (s.clover), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 22:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

link above is new video of fran lebowitz as part of the nyt thing--very classic as always on miguelito

Iago Galdston, Sunday, 18 August 2013 20:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

Bloomberg is not actually trying to defend the constitutionality of his NYPD’s tactics, because it’s clear that he doesn’t actually care about constitutional policing. He’d have fired Ray Kelly after the RNC if he did. His point is to argue that it’s not racial profiling, because blacks really do commit more crimes, and that racial profiling is necessary, because blacks commit more crimes. See, “it’s not racial profiling” is the thing you say to make white liberals more comfortable with your actual pitch, which is, “we all know racial profiling works.”

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/19/new_york_citys_frisking_twins_meet_the_press/

Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 August 2013 14:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

Now Bloomberg is defending himself with that same logic in a Washington Post guest editorial too:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/michael-bloomberg-stop-and-frisk-keeps-new-york-safe/2013/08/18/8d4cd8c4-06cf-11e3-9259-e2aafe5a5f84_story_1.html

curmudgeon, Monday, 19 August 2013 15:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

saw that and thought "Morbius" immediately

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 16:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

coming to a town near you!

spread to fuck the fruit (Eisbaer), Sunday, 15 December 2013 17:45 (10 months ago) Permalink

I think I will always remember this quote as the quintessential Bloomberg phrasing:

“But look, graffiti does ruin people’s property and it’s a sign of decay and loss of control. Art is art and nobody’s a bigger supporter of the arts than I am. I just think there are some places for art and there are some places [not for] art. And you running up to somebody’s property or public property and defacing it is not my definition of art. Or it may be art, but it should not be permitted. And I think that’s exactly what the law says.

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Sunday, 15 December 2013 18:36 (10 months ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

“I am telling you if there is a God, when I get to heaven I’m not stopping to be interviewed. I am heading straight in. I have earned my place in heaven. It’s not even close.”

goole, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 15:58 (6 months ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

it's amazing what they were able to keep in the closet about Bloomberg's personal life...he wasn't going to Bermuda every weekend to play golf, if you know what I mean...

Iago Galdston, Friday, 27 June 2014 14:45 (3 months ago) Permalink

he was going to his soda mansion to chug soda

iatee, Friday, 27 June 2014 15:02 (3 months ago) Permalink

de Blasio backed the ban btw, tsk tsk

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 June 2014 15:24 (3 months ago) Permalink

iatee, Friday, 27 June 2014 15:33 (3 months ago) Permalink

Still don't get what about the soda ban turned everybody into a libertarian

, Friday, 27 June 2014 15:35 (3 months ago) Permalink

Too arbitrary.

Suppose a convenience store started a promotion: "Buy a 31 oz. soda and get a free 1 oz. soda with it!" If they put them into two cups, would that violate the ban? Anything that could be so publically ridiculed and circumvented is not ever going to make a good law. It was either empty posturing, or a total failure to foresee its unenforceability.

Aimless, Friday, 27 June 2014 17:02 (3 months ago) Permalink

the point is to make it marginally more difficult to sell massive amounts of soda, not impossible. stores wouldn't give people 1 oz cups of soda because that would look make the store and the consumer look ridiculous, and nobody would actually miss that 1 oz of soda anyway, which is the bigger point.

iatee, Friday, 27 June 2014 17:11 (3 months ago) Permalink

people just want 'the biggest' and tend to finish what they order they don't have some innate desire to consume 32 oz of something

iatee, Friday, 27 June 2014 17:12 (3 months ago) Permalink

Wait, what's he doing in Bermuda?

how's life, Friday, 27 June 2014 17:13 (3 months ago) Permalink

he has dedicated the rest of his life and his entire fortune to studying the bermuda triangle mystery

iatee, Friday, 27 June 2014 17:13 (3 months ago) Permalink

the point is to make it marginally more difficult to sell massive amounts of soda, not impossible.

bingo! there can't be a compelling state interest to reduce soda consumption, if that interest can be satisfied by a regulation that can't be shown to accomplish anything.

Aimless, Friday, 27 June 2014 17:21 (3 months ago) Permalink

what. this is like arguing against gun regulations because you can kill people with knives. changing peoples behavior by making things marginally more difficult to do is not accomplishing nothing.

iatee, Friday, 27 June 2014 17:27 (3 months ago) Permalink

this is like arguing against gun regulations because you can kill people with knives.

No. This is like arguing against a regulation on soda because the proposed regulation doesn't actually regulate soda.

changing peoples behavior by making things marginally more difficult to do is not accomplishing nothing.

But there is no requirement here that people change their behavior, only an inference that they might. so, the regulation cannot be shown to accomplish anything. One may infer that it might possibly accomplish something, which is different.

Aimless, Friday, 27 June 2014 17:51 (3 months ago) Permalink

okay I am done talking to you

iatee, Friday, 27 June 2014 17:56 (3 months ago) Permalink

thinking that there are plenty of stupid laws and that the soda law was one of them doesn't make you a libertarian. the soda law struck me as arbitrary and dumb in the same way you can't buy alcohol on sundays in some states

marcos, Friday, 27 June 2014 17:57 (3 months ago) Permalink

Wait, what's he doing in Bermuda?

― how's life, Friday, June 27, 2014 1:13 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's amazing what they were able to keep in the closet about Bloomberg's personal life...he wasn't going to Bermuda every weekend to play golf, if you know what I mean...

― Iago Galdston, Friday, June 27, 2014 10:45 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Iago Galdston, Friday, 27 June 2014 18:44 (3 months ago) Permalink

I think we all know what it means not to play golf.

Aimless, Friday, 27 June 2014 18:55 (3 months ago) Permalink

ive heard all those whispers, but his gf never seemed like the beardo type

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 June 2014 23:29 (3 months ago) Permalink


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