math rock!

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explain define enlighten...

***1979*** (***1979***), Saturday, 7 December 2002 13:25 (twenty-three years ago)

i think this guy knows:

http://www.theoriginalsoundtrack.com/ile/mathrock.jpg

geeta (geeta), Saturday, 7 December 2002 13:55 (twenty-three years ago)

"a to the k" by cypress hill

dave k, Saturday, 7 December 2002 14:01 (twenty-three years ago)

isn't it to do with time signatures and being a structured form of music?

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 7 December 2002 15:37 (twenty-three years ago)

What, as opposed to other forms of music without structure?

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 7 December 2002 15:39 (twenty-three years ago)

being specifically against improvising guitar solos and all that! Not all music follows a routine structure.

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 7 December 2002 15:44 (twenty-three years ago)

you know it's all chug chug chug and intense, rather than chug, wah, zrooom, clash etc.

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 7 December 2002 15:46 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought Don Cab improvised a lot live. But I never got to see them so maybe I imagined that :(

I scored Celebrate the New Dark Age for a mere quid yesterday, yayayay. And a Plod album. And another copy of Insides' "Sweet Tip" because I think someone ran off with the copy I already had. And I got laughed at in the dance shop for only buying stuff from the bargain racks, I felt like saying, "LOOK, I have spent many many pounds on your stupidly overpriced PROPER 12"s before now, but it's not my fault that you haven't had any interesting new stock in the ambient section for months and no dnb has grabbed me much since a couple of tracks over the summer," but instead I just continued my attempt at a fluffy puppy-like "I am far too dim and naive to bother hating oo help me help me I am indie moron lost in complicated dance shop" look.

Rebecca (reb), Saturday, 7 December 2002 16:10 (twenty-three years ago)

I've never been in a dance music shop! My look has been described as university lecturer on his day off.

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 7 December 2002 17:02 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought the title said "math rocks!" and I was all "yeah!"

llamaskool, Saturday, 7 December 2002 18:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I felt like saying, [etc etc]

Becky, This = key to everything.

Graham (graham), Sunday, 8 December 2002 17:39 (twenty-three years ago)

(though you do do fluffy v.well)

Graham (graham), Sunday, 8 December 2002 17:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Is Sweet Tip any good? ISTR reading that it sounded nothing like Euphoria era Insides at all.

RickyT (RickyT), Sunday, 8 December 2002 18:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Unfortunately I've never heard Euphoria or Clear Skin; I think I'd like those a lot more. It's a bit bland and muzaky but pleasant enough in a Komeda-esque sort of way and I hadn't heard it for ages so I thought it was worth a quid, anyway. If the other copy turns up - I thought someone had borrowed it and not returned it but then I have no idea why he'd want it so I could be wrong or I might get it back anyway - you can have it.

But, hmm, well, it's not BAD but it's not particularly good either, in my opinion. I wouldn't recommend paying much for it but then I think my first copy was a two quid bargain-bin promo when it was pretty much new out so you probably wouldn't have to.

(I love liking stuff that makes record shop/stall staff think, "what the hell? we'll never sell this," even if it does make my heart bleed to see albums I already own and like in those sections. There was a Fizzarum cd in Avid for months and every time I was in there I felt like buying it even though I already had it just because it looked so lonely. I actually did re-buy Lackluster's "Container" earlier this year, too, but it was a buy-three-get-cheapest-free offer and I'd already got two more expensive cds from the same section and my existing copy was on vinyl which meant I hardly ever listened to it.)

(oh, um, er, mathrock... er, there's two Breadwinner live gigs for the grabbing up here if anyone's interested)

Rebecca (reb), Sunday, 8 December 2002 20:02 (twenty-three years ago)

A non-ILE friend bought this up out of nowhere on Saturday night. It was four in the morning, so this may not be accurate, but over to my friend Jack who is studying music at Goldsmiths and sometimes knows what he's talking about:

"mathamatical music, well you have to go into sequentialism"
"what's that?"
"You do know what an octave is?"
"[meekly] yes"
"Well the compositional structure means that you have to use every note from an octave within a bar"
[insert proper music theory about tertiary chords etc which I was in too much of a state to understand]
"... but the result is what we might call atonal, but I just think that it's because we don't understand the structure properly, not as common aural currency, so in years to come people will appreciate the real beauty there. Have you finsihed that spliff yet?"

Anna (Anna), Monday, 9 December 2002 11:33 (twenty-three years ago)

That would have been better if it had ended "pass the hydrator".

Maths rocks - I know that much. Is Three - The magic number Math Rock?

Pete (Pete), Monday, 9 December 2002 11:35 (twenty-three years ago)

It is now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 December 2002 13:50 (twenty-three years ago)

(Have you got fluffy on your CV yet?)

Graham (graham), Monday, 9 December 2002 14:16 (twenty-three years ago)

FLUFFING?????

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 9 December 2002 19:46 (twenty-three years ago)

hmmm anna I think you're friend might have been referring to just and mean temperaments. Mean temperaments are measured and defined based on equal divisions of sound, while just temperaments are mathematically derived from frequencies in order to adjust for a specific interval. His referrence to atonal: In Pythagorean tuning, an obviously mathematical theory, if you were to raise a note by a Pythagorean Perfect Fifth interval (I'll spare all of the technical shit) 12 times, theoretically you would arrive back at the same note (although higher) that you started with, but in Pythagorean tuning a wolf interval is had, resulting in much discordance.
Incidentally, to tune and find the cent value in Pythagorean tuning, use the logarithmic formula [1200(log2(a:b))] (a:b being the ratio of frequencies between 2 notes).

--, Monday, 9 December 2002 20:03 (twenty-three years ago)

My favorite math rock band is V for Vendetta.
They have an album called Math Rock is not a 4 letter word, it's 2 four letter words.
Brilliant.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 9 December 2002 20:40 (twenty-three years ago)

BAD BAD DANG! :( :( :(

I thought it sounded more like twelve-tone atonal composition and Schoenberg's dodecaphonic method than temperament and the circle of fifths but I don't know my music theory so I'm probably wrong and I won't attempt to explain. But if that is what is meant, math rock isn't twelve-tone (some of it might be but I don't think I know of any, but then I probably wouldn't notice apart from thinking "hm, bloody racket, I suppose I'm not clever enough"), it's just a loose description rather than a precise methodology.

Ulp, I'm posting about things I don't understand again...

Rebecca (reb), Monday, 9 December 2002 22:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Hexadecimal tuning rules! (except to listen to)

Actually, I prefer the aleatoric, but I suppose that's because I'm a mere !statistician! who can't keep up with the determinism of you number theory freaks.

B.Rad (Brad), Monday, 9 December 2002 22:55 (twenty-three years ago)

four years pass...

Golden!

How did I not know about this before?

No, actually I heard Summer in college and I thought it was good and sounded kind of like Zeppelin, but their s/t is so great! It's like the ideal Oxes were going for but never quite reached.

Hurting 2, Sunday, 3 June 2007 03:11 (nineteen years ago)

Oh wait, I meant to revive the ilm thread

Hurting 2, Sunday, 3 June 2007 03:21 (nineteen years ago)

I just wrote another song about maths. Does that count?

Masonic Boom, Sunday, 3 June 2007 10:10 (nineteen years ago)

Oxes fucking pwn.

g-kit, Sunday, 3 June 2007 10:52 (nineteen years ago)

SHOTMAKER

g®▲đұ, Sunday, 3 June 2007 11:09 (nineteen years ago)


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