Whatever happened to Whit Stillman?

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IMDB still lists no forthcoming films. Suzy or someone will know, surely?

N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 30 November 2002 14:17 (12 years ago) Permalink

Well you're right. I do know him and he's taken some time off to write and may even do so for me in an anthology I keep wanting to put together.

suzy (suzy), Saturday, 30 November 2002 17:55 (12 years ago) Permalink

isnt it obvious - he's starring in the new musical CHICAGO!

damn Mr Jamison, all i want to do is DAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNCEEEEE!!




doom-e, Saturday, 30 November 2002 17:57 (12 years ago) Permalink

Doomie check your inbox in five.

suzy (suzy), Saturday, 30 November 2002 18:18 (12 years ago) Permalink

nada, suzy!

doom-e, Saturday, 30 November 2002 18:25 (12 years ago) Permalink

Check it now, apologies, it took longer than it should because it's an advice thing.

suzy (suzy), Saturday, 30 November 2002 18:26 (12 years ago) Permalink

I interviewed him a long time ago and he said he wanted to do a historical drama in a manner drawn from his great admiration of Steven Spielberg. Is this still true, Suzy?

nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 30 November 2002 18:33 (12 years ago) Permalink

i sent a rambling rant back....i'm interested in how you see it.

doom-e, Saturday, 30 November 2002 18:34 (12 years ago) Permalink

basically suzy, i think you would have to have clear solid answers to the questions i provided before you could go further or otherwise it would be no worse or better than the other!

doom-e, Saturday, 30 November 2002 18:49 (12 years ago) Permalink

He took over Page Six for a week. He revealed that the 'J' in 'J Hoberman' stands for Jim. He did a novelization of The Last Days of Disco also.

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 30 November 2002 21:54 (12 years ago) Permalink

I hope his next film is better than Last Days.

I heard he had an upcoming project working with Noah Baumbach of Kicking and Screaming fame.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Saturday, 30 November 2002 22:01 (12 years ago) Permalink

Last Days Of Disco is brilliant, you silly man.

Whit Stillman is the world's most indie film maker.

DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 30 November 2002 22:48 (12 years ago) Permalink

I found Last Days Of Disco a bit of a disappointment after the first two. It seemed to be rather clunkily directed, or edited or something.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 1 December 2002 01:04 (12 years ago) Permalink

I found Last Days Of Disco a bit of a disappointment after the first two. It seemed to be rather clunkily directed, or edited or something.

Yeah. Me too.

I don't see why Whit Stillman is the world's most indie film maker.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Sunday, 1 December 2002 01:23 (12 years ago) Permalink

I didn't know he was. Is there an award?

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 1 December 2002 01:28 (12 years ago) Permalink

This thread reminded me that I need to use the put-down phrase "Bible-dancing goody-goody" more often.

Ernest P. (ernestp), Sunday, 1 December 2002 05:42 (12 years ago) Permalink

I don't see why Whit Stillman is the world's most indie film maker.

the characters in his films are very indie.

DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 1 December 2002 17:02 (12 years ago) Permalink

indie=preppie?

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 1 December 2002 22:58 (12 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...
Nabisco: I hear he wanted to make a film based on the same historical character that was the basis for Patriot with Mel Gibson, and was chagrined when that film preempted him.

Supposedly he's independent wealthy so has no need to work on films unless he really wants to.

I decided this coming weekend I will watch all of his films. I wonder if I'll like "Last Days of Disco" as much as when I first saw it...

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 3 July 2003 04:20 (11 years ago) Permalink

I used to like what's-it-called, his first movie a lot, at least up till the last act. Barcelona for its flaws I also thought had a lot of charm. But I thought Last Days of Disco was a real dud, poorly written, a wasted premise.

I heard he was making a reggae movie (!) next.

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 3 July 2003 05:02 (11 years ago) Permalink

World's most independently wealthy indie filmmaker, perhaps?

Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 3 July 2003 05:10 (11 years ago) Permalink

Whit Stillman

A writer/director whose light, urbane sensibility launched him to the forefront of the American independent filmmaking movement of the '90s, Whit Stillman was born in New York City in 1952. The son of a member of John F. Kennedy's Presidential administration and an impoverished debutante, he was raised in the upstate New York area of Cornwall, and later attended Harvard University, where he wrote humor pieces for the college daily. Upon graduating in 1973, Stillman relocated to Manhattan and began working as a journalist. While in Spain in 1980 for his wedding, he met a group of film producers and attempted to convince them that he could sell their movies to Spanish-language cable television stations in the U.S. The producers ultimately agreed, and Stillman spent the next several years as an international sales agent for Spanish filmmakers including Fernando Trueba and Fernando Colomo. He also occasionally appeared in motion pictures, including Trueba's 1982 work Sal Gorda and Colomo's 1984 effort La Linea del Cielo. Upon returning to the U.S. in 1984, Stillman began working at an illustration agency. Over the course of the next four years, he spent much of his free time agonizing over the screenplay of Metropolitan, his debut film as a director. To finance the film, Stillman sold his Manhattan apartment for 50,000 dollars, securing the other 175,000 dollars necessary to complete the project from friends and relatives.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 05:48 (11 years ago) Permalink

I went to high school with the guy who played the DA character in Last Days of Disco. Or assistant DA or whatever it was. He was a grade below me, but we shared a couple of classes. I didn't really care for that film though.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 3 July 2003 05:59 (11 years ago) Permalink

this guy's movies are like my all-time guilty pleasure.

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 3 July 2003 07:49 (11 years ago) Permalink

why guilty?

(i admit no guilt w/r/t movies.)

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 3 July 2003 07:52 (11 years ago) Permalink

well, they just cater to my every whim SO well. and they're really not that far removed from Friends (which I like also, though I've never developed crushes on any of the characters). total comfort food.

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 3 July 2003 07:58 (11 years ago) Permalink

i feel no guilt, i think his grasp of dialogue is so insanely rich and as much as you may dislike his characters in real life (which I'm thinking is what Blount is hinting at), you learn so much about them after hearing just precious few lines from them.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 14:07 (11 years ago) Permalink

yeah, I should have noted that insanely well written dialogue will hook me everytime (and I'm not quite sure what it says about me that I'd have no problem liking these characters in real life, except that if you're attractive and witty I'll let you get away with anything.)

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 3 July 2003 14:11 (11 years ago) Permalink

As much as I recall being charmed by the dude's movies, I find I really have very little re-collection of them beyond a couple of scenes. Especially Disco, which is the one I've seen most recently--I wish I could say I found it a little more memorable.

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 3 July 2003 14:41 (11 years ago) Permalink

Anyone remember that hatched job on Stillman and Hartley from Suck.com? That was the worst bit of film criticism I think I've ever read. Although Stillman is not nearly in Hartley's league as a filmmaker, that article made me prepared to defend him to the death.

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 3 July 2003 14:44 (11 years ago) Permalink

hatchet

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 3 July 2003 14:44 (11 years ago) Permalink

i assume the line above that said he's working with noah baumbach isn't based on much fact? if it is, that's so cool!

colette (a2lette), Thursday, 3 July 2003 14:54 (11 years ago) Permalink

I think Wes Anderson & Noah Baumbach are working together right now.

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 3 July 2003 14:56 (11 years ago) Permalink

Metropolitan has one of my favorite exchanges ever (thank you, IMDB):

Jane Clark: Why should we believe you over Rick? We know you're a hypocrite. We know your "Polly Perkins" story was a fabrication---
Nick Smith: A composite.
Jane Clark: ---that you're completely impossible and out of control, with some sort of drug problem and a fixation on what you consider Rick Von Sloneker's wickedness. You're a snob, a sexist, totally obnoxious and tiresome. And lately you've gotten just weird. Why should we believe anything you say?
Nick Smith: I'm not "tiresome."

Ernest P. (ernestp), Friday, 4 July 2003 06:14 (11 years ago) Permalink

Nick Smith is the best. Particularly fond of his 'why does everyone beat on the middle classes' and 'don't give me all that sensitive underneath crap, if a geniunely shy and sensitive guy wallked in you wouldn't give him the time of day' rants. Chris Eigeman's character in Barcelona has some even better lines. He's great.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 4 July 2003 07:06 (11 years ago) Permalink

Spanish Woman: You can't say Americans are not more violent than other people.
Fred: No.
Spanish Woman: All those people killed in shootings in America?
Fred: Oh, shootings, yes. But that doesn't mean Americans are more violent than other people. We're just better shots.


Fred: They're calling us pigs. That's meant to hurt!


Montserrat: I think you are too sensitive.
Fred: Oh great, now we're too sensitive.
Fred: I think it's well-known that anti-Americanism has its roots in sexual impotence, at least in Europe.


Fred: Maybe you can clarify something for me. Since I've been, you know, waiting for the fleet to show up, I've read a lot, and -
Ted: Really?
Fred: And one of the things that keeps popping up is this about "subtext." Plays, novels, songs - they all have a "subtext," which I take to mean a hidden message or import of some kind. So subtext we know. But what do you call the message or meaning that's right there on the surface, completely open and obvious? They never talk about that. What do you call what's above the subtext?
Ted: The text.
Fred: OK, that's right, but they never talk about that.


Seeing Barcelona again is suddenly urgent and in a very real sense, key.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 4 July 2003 07:17 (11 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...
Just watched Barcelona and Metropolitan in the last week or so, and I don't really get all the ambivalence on here. Thought both were fantastic, particularly Barcelona, with some hilarious dialogue and evocative character relationships. I'm curious to see Last Days of Disco in the near future.

NA (Nick A.), Sunday, 15 February 2004 17:36 (10 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...
Metropolitan has been re-issued on DVD in the US by Criterion. But I want Barcelona!

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

i know for a fact that my brother-in-law andy has been reading the various drafts of the screenplay that whit has been working on. i have to remember to ask him what it is about. andy edited the last days of disco. he also edited the last movie by lodge kerrigan, another odd bird with 3 films to his name.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:38 (8 years ago) Permalink

Is it the Jane Austen one?

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:42 (8 years ago) Permalink

I'll have to ask him! He has mentioned that Whit has been sending the screenplay to him in various drafts, but I always forget to ask him what it is all about.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:46 (8 years ago) Permalink

I referenced Metropolitan and Stillman last week in conversation - seeing this thread now, I realize that I do talk about his films at least a few times a year - am spurred to mention them sort of out of the blue it seems. But I always forget his name and sometimes even the names of his films as well as their, er, plot, yet I don't forget their tone, pacing, characters or particular images.

This probably means I should see all the films again, and kind of want to, but I recall them kind of depressing me while watching, and they seem too long because of that, which makes me always reject the idea. It's a conundrum. Maybe if he just made 25 minute shorts? A specialty-channel tv show? Dear Whit, that would be good.

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:47 (8 years ago) Permalink

Anyway - this is good news. Thanks, scott.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:48 (8 years ago) Permalink

haha - "Anyway" ...
I also think it's good to have this news, yes.

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

Metropolitan is the Jane Austen one! Loosely based on Mansfield Park, including discussion of it between Audrey and Tom (who prefers literary criticism to novels.)

I feel kind of guilty for how much I enjoy Stillman movies, too, but I think Metropolitan is genuinely good.

horsehoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:10 (8 years ago) Permalink

I tried to watch Barcelona over the summer and totally dead-ended. Maybe Stillman isn't as good when seen alone? Maybe I have the attention span of a squirrel?

Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:11 (8 years ago) Permalink

Metropolitan is wonderful, inept camerawork and all. It's one of the few instances wherein a filmmaker creats a credible alternate universe on an improbably low budget.

And Chris Eigmann [sic] is awesome in anything: "I thought the surealists were just a bunch of social climbers."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

Laurel, Barcelona is my least favorite Stillman. I hate to put it this way, but it is also the least, um, girl-identified of his movies. I enjoy it, but mostly because Chris Eigemann=my boyfriend. (His character in Barcelona is classic.)

horsehoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:14 (8 years ago) Permalink

Uh oh, I fell asleep the last time I tried to watch Metropolitan. Part of the problem is that I have a lot of trouble sticking with stories in which I don't LIKE anyone, and I NEVER like anyone in Stillman flicks. I love Chris Eigeman, though!

Will wait for life to settle down and try again in a different mood, since everyone I love loves Whit Stillman.

Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:37 (8 years ago) Permalink

I quite liked Last Days of Disco. I barely remember Metropolitan, but that's because I saw it when I was like 14 and most of it sailed over my head. I never saw Barcelona, but I suppose I should.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:41 (8 years ago) Permalink

Good job there, guy

https://twitter.com/WhitStillman/status/472040503522127872

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 May 2014 16:15 (6 months ago) Permalink

A$AP Chris L ‏@brittonlowe 10m

“@WhitStillman: Death to Hip-hop” Aw c'mon, Stillmatic.

That's So (Eazy), Thursday, 29 May 2014 16:31 (6 months ago) Permalink

404

axe douche for men (silby), Saturday, 31 May 2014 00:53 (6 months ago) Permalink

yeah whatever that was it's gone now. ned, care to fill us in?

display name changed. (amateurist), Saturday, 31 May 2014 06:17 (6 months ago) Permalink

Stillman tweeted "Death To Hip Hop", and several ilxors hard sonned him (kudos to JBR for "The Notorious U.H.B.")

Damnit Janet Weiss & The Riot Grrriel (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 31 May 2014 06:26 (6 months ago) Permalink

For some reason I can still see the tweet minus the responses on my phone.

Damnit Janet Weiss & The Riot Grrriel (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 31 May 2014 06:28 (6 months ago) Permalink

Twit Stillman

display name changed. (amateurist), Saturday, 31 May 2014 06:28 (6 months ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

omg

horseshoe, Wednesday, 13 August 2014 14:10 (4 months ago) Permalink

IKR! Psyched!

ambient yacht god (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 13 August 2014 14:12 (4 months ago) Permalink

Whoa!!!

DERE is no DERE DERE (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 13 August 2014 15:03 (4 months ago) Permalink

!!!!

Mordy, Wednesday, 13 August 2014 17:58 (4 months ago) Permalink

oh of fucking course whit stillman's too aspirational for netflix

(!!!)

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 13 August 2014 18:25 (4 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

It's live! It's free! Everyone go watch it!!!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MR9WT7Y

Gay Fire Beautiful Dong (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 28 August 2014 14:40 (3 months ago) Permalink

did anyone watch it

lag∞n, Thursday, 28 August 2014 14:43 (3 months ago) Permalink

So even a free first episode can't be watched in Europe? Fuck that.

ambient yacht god (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 28 August 2014 14:51 (3 months ago) Permalink

Milksops, pipsqueaks, oh this is the stuff. <3

So even a free first episode can't be watched in Europe? Fuck that.

Free version of VPNReactor gave me the 30 mins of US proxy time I needed.

Alba, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:28 (3 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Finally remembered to watch "The Cosmopolitans" pilot. Liked it alot and sent positive feedback. Nice to hear Stillman loading the soundtrack with Uptown Soul. He's kind of underrated as a soundtrack director.

You and Dad's Army? (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 14 September 2014 04:44 (3 months ago) Permalink

I love this man very much, thats all

Master of Treacle, Sunday, 14 September 2014 05:24 (3 months ago) Permalink

i loved the pilot. i will watch this show faithfully.

Mordy, Monday, 15 September 2014 15:52 (3 months ago) Permalink

Trying to imagine what a Stillman-authored ep of Sanford & Son would look like.

You and Dad's Army? (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 15 September 2014 18:43 (3 months ago) Permalink

It’s a problem, of course, because I think racism is not acceptable, but having class prejudice, people can pat themselves on the back for. It’s reverse class prejudice. Millions of people have been killed for being bourgeois. Should there be consciousness about that? How much of the hatred of anti-Semitism was a class thing, because the Jews of Germany were successful economically? Categorizing people economically and hating them because you think they’re this way is a prejudice.

:/ :\

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Monday, 15 September 2014 18:55 (3 months ago) Permalink

Millions of people have been killed for being bourgeois.

if Whit's keeping score he seems to have missed a salient point here

Daphnis Celesta, Monday, 15 September 2014 20:45 (3 months ago) Permalink

“They’re not embarrassed about being prejudiced if they’re being prejudiced upward,” Stillman said. “You should be embarrassed if you’re bigoted, no matter which way the bigotry runs.”

lol this guy

Οὖτις, Monday, 15 September 2014 20:58 (3 months ago) Permalink

How much of the hatred of anti-Semitism was a class thing, because the Jews of Germany were successful economically?

and this man I can't even

Οὖτις, Monday, 15 September 2014 20:59 (3 months ago) Permalink

Daphnis Celesta, Monday, 15 September 2014 21:00 (3 months ago) Permalink

I've only seen one of his movies

I am completely unsurprised by that pullquote

, Monday, 15 September 2014 21:04 (3 months ago) Permalink

i love his films and the dialogue of his characters

i don't have a lot invested in either his political or historical opinions

Mordy, Monday, 15 September 2014 21:06 (3 months ago) Permalink

I like the movies I've seen (Metropolitan and the Last Days of Disco) okay, he does write funny dialogue

but yeah this is totally unsurprising

Οὖτις, Monday, 15 September 2014 21:17 (3 months ago) Permalink

He's always been a relatively conservative guy fighting for the rights of the rich. That's what Metropolitan is all about! It mourns the tragic passing of American aristocracy. Doesn't mean I don't love it, though.

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 03:02 (3 months ago) Permalink

Although it's not the point he's making necessarily, I do think that the wealthy have a perspective and stories to tell etc..., and that a film or show or whatnot is not intrinsically bad because it's about the problems of people of the upper class.

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 03:03 (3 months ago) Permalink

The Surrealists were just a buncha social climbers.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 03:04 (3 months ago) Permalink

I think he had a point when he was talking about people just lazily assuming the characters are "aimless" because they're shown in a single day of leisure.

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 03:06 (3 months ago) Permalink

for a "smart" guy whit stillman is awfully dumb

I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 03:12 (3 months ago) Permalink

unless he's aspiring to lars van trier-like levels of trolling

I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 03:13 (3 months ago) Permalink

I do think that the wealthy have a perspective and stories to tell etc..., and that a film or show or whatnot is not intrinsically bad because it's about the problems of people of the upper class.

yes, sure, absolutely. the interview is silly because the aristocracy shd never whine.

Daphnis Celesta, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 06:11 (3 months ago) Permalink

still witless

socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 18:21 (3 months ago) Permalink

all whit, no wit

I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 19 September 2014 05:43 (3 months ago) Permalink

TBF I enjoyed Metropolitan (which is what I watched) but on the whole it was like a John Hughes movie with less humor and slapstick

, Friday, 19 September 2014 11:44 (3 months ago) Permalink

whoa

imago, Friday, 19 September 2014 11:47 (3 months ago) Permalink

anyway this episode is basically redolent of john irving losing it at the rich being discriminated against. good artists can say dumb things when fighting perceived inverse discrimination

imago, Friday, 19 September 2014 11:48 (3 months ago) Permalink

anyone who's ever paid attention to his movies can not possibly be surprised by this

socki (s1ocki), Friday, 19 September 2014 14:03 (3 months ago) Permalink

his movies, tbf, while set in bourgie milieux, are more imo about universals of fellowship & empathy, and espouse what is often a subversively surreal methodology

imago, Friday, 19 September 2014 14:18 (3 months ago) Permalink

this is coming from someone with a hair-trigger response to unexamined bourgie presumptuousness

imago, Friday, 19 September 2014 14:20 (3 months ago) Permalink

for reasons of lamentable overexposure obv before u all start zinging

imago, Friday, 19 September 2014 14:20 (3 months ago) Permalink

*doesn't comment*

socki (s1ocki), Friday, 19 September 2014 16:36 (3 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

I've made it deeper into Cosmopolitans than I did Metropolitan, but I think that might just be that I like Chloe Sevigny and the guy from the OC.
Still kind of awful.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 10 October 2014 23:35 (2 months ago) Permalink

Just saw Taylor Nichols on an ep of Newsradio playing the representative from Rocket Fuel Malt Liquor.

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 13 October 2014 02:37 (2 months ago) Permalink


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