worst person to address both Houses of the United Kingdom Parliament

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so it looks like Trump is not going to get to do this now, but which of these is the worst person to have addressed a joint session of the UK parliament?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_have_addressed_both_Houses_of_the_United_Kingdom_Parliament#cite_note-notformal-5

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Ronald Reagan (President of the United States) (8 June 1982) 6
Barack Obama (President of the United States) (25 May 2011) 5
Nikita Khrushchev (First Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union) (24 April 1956) 4
Jan Christiaan Smuts (Prime Minister of South Africa) (21 October 1942) 3
Boris Yeltsin (President of Russia) (10 November 1992) 3
Giuseppe Saragat (President of Italy) (28 April 1969) 1
Benedict XVI (Pope) (17 September 2010) 1
Stephen Harper (Prime Minister of Canada) (13 June 2013) 1
Elizabeth II (Queen of the United Kingdom) (22 June 1965/4 May 1977/20 July 1988/6 May 1995/30 April 2002/20 March 2012)1
Charles de Gaulle (President of France) (7 April 1960) 1
Kofi Annan (Former Secretary-General of the United Nations) (8 May 2007) 1
Xi Jinping (President of China) (20 October 2015) 1
Shimon Peres (Prime Minister of Israel/President of Israel) (23 January 1986/19 November 2008) 1
Nicolas Sarkozy (President of France) (26 March 2008) 0
Felipe Calderón (President of Mexico) (1 April 2009) 0
Bertie Ahern (Taoiseach of Ireland) (15 May 2007) 0
John Howard (Prime Minister of Australia) (6 July 2000) 0
Aung San Suu Kyi (Burmese Opposition Leader) (21 June 2012) 0
Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono (President of Indonesia) (1 November 2012) 0
Narendra Modi (Prime Minister of India) (12 November 2015) 0
Enrique Peña Nieto (President of Mexico) (3 March 2015) 0
Tony Tan Keng Yam (President of Singapore) (21 October 2014) 0
Michael D. Higgins (President of Ireland) (8 April 2014) 0
Angela Merkel (Chancellor of Germany) (27 February 2014 0
Park Geun-hye (President of South Korea) (5 November 2013) 0
Joyce Banda (President of Malawi) (20 March 2013) 0
Sabah Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah (Emir of Kuwait) (29 November 2012) 0
Carlos Menem (President of Argentina) (29 October 1998) 0
Tenzin Gyatso (Dalai Lama) (16 July 1996) 0
Jacques Chirac (President of France) (15 May 1996) 0
Willy Brandt (Chancellor of West Germany) (3 March 1970) 0
Albert Lebrun (President of France) (23 March 1939) 0
Alexei Kosygin (Premier of the Soviet Union) (9 February 1967) 0
U Thant (Secretary-General of the United Nations) (28 April 1966) 0
Nikolai Bulganin (Premier of the Soviet Union) (24 April 1956) 0
Haile Selassie (Emperor of Ethiopia) (22 October 1954) 0
Vincent Auriol (President of France) (9 March 1950) 0
George VI (King of the United Kingdom) (17 May 1945/21 August 1945/26 October 1950) 0
Valéry Giscard d'Estaing (President of France) (23 June 1976) 0
François Mitterrand (President of France) (24 October 1984) 0
Bill Clinton (President of the United States) (29 November 1995) 0
Nelson Mandela (Nobel Peace Prize winner/President of South Africa) (5 May 1993/11 July 1996) 0
Mário Soares (President of Portugal) (28 April 1993) 0
Francesco Cossiga (President of Italy) (24 October 1990) 0
Daniel Ortega (President of Nicaragua) (8 May 1989) 0
Richard von Weizsäcker (President of West Germany) (2 July 1986) 0
Juan Carlos I (King of Spain) (28 April 1986) 0
Mikhail Gorbachev (Foreign delegate of the USSR/Former General Secretary of the CPSU) (18 December 1984/7 December 1993)0
Mackenzie King (Prime Minister of Canada) (11 May 1944) 0


soref, Monday, 6 February 2017 18:25 (seven years ago) link

harper

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Monday, 6 February 2017 18:27 (seven years ago) link

the queen

Οὖτις, Monday, 6 February 2017 18:27 (seven years ago) link

NB for the addresses by Smuts, Bulganin, Khrushchev, Ortega, Soares, the 14th Dalai Lama, Menem, Banda, the first of Peres and Mandela's two addresses and for both of Gorbachev's "members of both Houses were present at the meeting but this was not a formal presentation to both Houses".

soref, Monday, 6 February 2017 18:27 (seven years ago) link

Aung San Suu Kyi is coming up fast on the rails.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 6 February 2017 18:30 (seven years ago) link

A lot of shitbags here, Modi maybe?

devvvine, Monday, 6 February 2017 18:35 (seven years ago) link

reagan

Mordy, Monday, 6 February 2017 18:36 (seven years ago) link

Modi is terrible and obv. the Chinese leader. Menem is a weird one, how did that get past the Daily Mail and the Sun?

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 6 February 2017 18:38 (seven years ago) link

i was a bit disappointed with the prevention of trump speaking to the houses. really they should say 'of course of course sir' and then lead him to like a university dining hall or something and all the students will be there in their gowns and he will address parliament

I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Monday, 6 February 2017 18:58 (seven years ago) link

objectively this is probably Jan Smuts but i'll probably vote Reagan anyway

sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:03 (seven years ago) link

I don't know much about Smuts, but he has to be pretty bad, right? (he apparently came to support black enfranchisement in the late 1940s, but more on the basis of him realising that white minority rule was unsustainable than anything particularly noble?)

also candidates: Ortega, Modi, Reagan, Khrushchev, all of the French presidents

soref, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:04 (seven years ago) link

xp

soref, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:04 (seven years ago) link

ooh, Howard tho, he's like a pissant Reagan

sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:04 (seven years ago) link

Jan smuts definitely the worst person to have addressed both houses of parliament and to have a statue in parliament square.

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/DX8DXJ/jan-christian-smuts-statue-in-parliament-square-london-england-united-DX8DXJ.jpg

brekekekexit collapse collapse (ledge), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:10 (seven years ago) link

correction, never supported black enfranchisement, did support some relaxation of segregation, apparently?

xxxp to myself

soref, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:11 (seven years ago) link

how is that statue still standing lol

I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:12 (seven years ago) link

I guess, pull down that, you gotta pull down them all

I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:12 (seven years ago) link

except the salvation army guy

I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:13 (seven years ago) link

(maybe)

I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:13 (seven years ago) link

Cromwell is perched right in front of the House of Commons, thank you very much.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:15 (seven years ago) link

Sure, he killed a king but he had so many bad points.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:17 (seven years ago) link

park geun-hye is an interesting person

lettered and hapful (symsymsym), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:18 (seven years ago) link

don't know if Yeltsin was a fount of evil or a passed-out puppet tbh

sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:22 (seven years ago) link

Khrushchev was a very bad fucker who earned his party stripes for his ruthless part in the Holodomor and other deadly actions in Ukraine, easily up there with the worst.

calzino, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:25 (seven years ago) link

First, Mr. Khrushchev played a very significant role in the man-made famine in Ukraine in the period of 1930-33. On the basis of performances in that famine he was promoted in 1934 to a full-fledged member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.

Second, he was engaged in extensive purges in Ukraine actually to make way for himself to become eventually the first secretary of the Communist Party in Ukraine.

In these purges he directly engaged in the murder of people like Kossior and others. Countless others met death as a result of Khrushchev's perpetration of these extensive purges. Yet, quite cynically, in 1956 at the 20th party congress he posthumously rehabilitated the very people whom he had directly murdered. The purges continued during the period of the thirties to wipe out well over 400,000 Ukrainians.

Third, as the first secretary of the Communist Party of Ukraine, he was involved in the heinous massacre of about 9,500 Ukrainians in Vynnytsia.

Fourth, during the war, as a security general in the NKVD, he exploited the Communist partisans primarily to provoke German occupying forces into augmenting their repressions and persecutions of the Ukrainian populace. Much of the populace was in favor, for a time, of German liberation. Seeing one alien totalitarianism supplanted by another, they soon fought against both Berlin and Moscow. Fifth, in 1944-46, Khrushchev was responsible for the liquidation of the Ukrainian Catholic Church and continued the suppression of the Ukrainian Orthodox Autocephalic Church. He has continued to keep both institutions in extinction - no posthumous rehabilitation on this score.

Sixth, during the war and after, when he was dispatched again by Stalin to take control and wipe out the "bourgeois" nationalist forces in Ukraine, Khrushchev was heavily engaged in the liquidation of many individuals and groups connected with the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA). He also inflicted damages, physical and personal, upon the populace which supported contingents of this army.

Seventh, in 1954-55, with his so-called virgin land policy, he precipitated a forcible resettlement of countless Ukrainian youth, male and female, to Kazakhstan. This, too, was really an act of genocide, a nation-destroying type of deportation under cover of economic resettlement.

Eighth, he was also, in 1954-55 responsible for the barbarous suppression of strikes by Ukrainian political prisoners at Vorkuta, Mordovia and Karaganda.

nice little summary of Khrushchev's charge sheet here.

calzino, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:20 (seven years ago) link

I was going to vote for Smuts or Modi but that's probably swung it.

Matt DC, Monday, 6 February 2017 21:05 (seven years ago) link

What was Khrushchev doing addressing Anthony Eden's Parliament at a time when no US president had done so, despite Britain being effectively propped up the Americans at the time?

Matt DC, Monday, 6 February 2017 21:18 (seven years ago) link

Cromwell is perched right in front of the House of Commons, thank you very much.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, February 6, 2017 7:15 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Sure, he killed a king but he had so many bad points.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, February 6, 2017 7:17 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You mean he wasn't

https://pictures.abebooks.com/isbn/9780413573902-uk.jpg

brekekekexit collapse collapse (ledge), Monday, 6 February 2017 21:29 (seven years ago) link

xp

The famous "James Bond" inspiration MI6 agent Lionel Crabb was apparently offed by the KGB during his visit as well.

calzino, Monday, 6 February 2017 21:43 (seven years ago) link

xi jinping obv

the man in charge of imposing more restrictions on internet and freedom of speech

doc no 9 also nagl

F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 6 February 2017 21:59 (seven years ago) link

hate to say it but the queen is probably the least bad person here

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 6 February 2017 22:00 (seven years ago) link

What, with Willy Brandt and Mandela on the list? She's one of the worst.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 6 February 2017 22:10 (seven years ago) link

Add up millions of excess deaths, the most precipitous decline in life expectancy and quality of life any industrialised country has experienced in peacetime, amoral arms dealing fuelling some of the worst conflicts of the last thirty years, the flattening of Grozny and the complete sellout of a nascent democracy and Yeltsin is in with a shout.

Bubba H.O.T.A.P.E (ShariVari), Monday, 6 February 2017 22:42 (seven years ago) link

oops, i missed mandela was on the list. not that i hold any brief for the queen or anything but it's hard to rank her w/ ppl like khrushchev.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 6 February 2017 22:51 (seven years ago) link

Well, she's a monarch, so she's reprehensible in a very specific way, no matter what she's like as a human being.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 6 February 2017 23:03 (seven years ago) link

Only not voting for Boris Yeltsin because Nikita Khrushchev is in the list.

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Monday, 6 February 2017 23:07 (seven years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Friday, 10 February 2017 00:01 (seven years ago) link

Too many names I know nothing about. Who did the most damage in the least amount of time (in their most powerful role)?

nashwan, Friday, 10 February 2017 11:41 (seven years ago) link

Pope Joey Rats really getting overlooked here, gang.

evol j, Friday, 10 February 2017 14:47 (seven years ago) link

Reagan's probably had the worst long term effect on the world of any of these (so far).

chap, Friday, 10 February 2017 15:08 (seven years ago) link

Yeltsin's had pretty awful long term effect.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Friday, 10 February 2017 15:15 (seven years ago) link

Well yes we'll see how that plays out.

chap, Friday, 10 February 2017 15:16 (seven years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Saturday, 11 February 2017 00:01 (seven years ago) link

Barack Obama worse than Kruschev everybody

Οὖτις, Saturday, 11 February 2017 00:02 (seven years ago) link

what was wrong with Giuseppe Saragat? I don't really know anything about him besides the information contained in this fairly brief wiki artilce:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Saragat

soref, Saturday, 11 February 2017 00:06 (seven years ago) link

David Hockney does Jim Callaghan!

Mark G, Saturday, 11 February 2017 22:16 (seven years ago) link


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