how many friends/family members have you stopped speaking to because of Donald Trump

i got rid of all those motherfuckers in the bush years

lol most of my Dubya friends peaced out for diff reasons in the late 2000s (and I dunno how many woulda liked this dude anyway).

My Livejournal from the Dubya era is still up - easy to forget how angry I was bout him every day back then

one family that our family has been friends with since before I was born, their daughter will not speak to her father or her brother anymore over it cos they voted for the polyp-pantsed Orange Julius

I wasn't curating a Facebook feed in the Bush years, so there's no comparison.

I've made an effort not to ditch all my Trump-fan friends because a) some are friends IRL and b) I need some unmediated intelligence about the mental universe of Trump supporters, but there have been a few who had to go, not so much for their opinions as for their tendency to share repulsive/ridiculous content.

The Trump people who remain in my life are almost all rural Southerners in their 60s or older, and we never discuss politics face-to-face because we all know we don't want to go there.

I don't know any Trump supporters, not even on Facebook.

I did have to finally ice out some Bernie cultists in mid-December, though.

Zero. I did basically lose a friend over Obama, although that friendship was probably doomed anyway.

I didn't actually purge anybody myself over Trump (I defriended some guy, but not because he was a Trumper, more because he was posting misogynist shit on my Wall), I only know three Trump voters IRL, one's an asshole I never see in person but I let him post freely cos it just makes him look stupid, one I think is my dad (and I'm fairly sure he already regrets it), the other is a dude who is misguided and almost never talks politics in person so I have stayed friends w/ him.

I naturally just have mostly liberal friends cos a) lots of them are from the arts which leans that way and b) I'm a somewhat irascible liberal that conservatives can't stand to be around me for more than 10 minutes

to clarify, I am saying that I think but don't know that my dad voted Trump, not that the guy that I *think* is my dad voted for Trump.

Thanks to the sociological phenomena of the Big Sort and epistemic closure I don't think I know any Trump voters. I barely even know any straight people.

I did have to finally ice out some Bernie cultists in mid-December, though.

― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Saturday, February 4, 2017 12:35 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I had to hide most all Bernie folk in my feed during the primaries cos a lot of em were just ignorant as Hell.

(I did enjoy our fellow poster Nate Carson's posts on him tho)....

one I think is my dad

lol phrasing

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my dad was a Reagan Democrat, but to fall for Trump if he was alive and 89, i don't see it

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i can tolerate people w different viewpoints than my own

0 - I don't know any Trump supporters, or I don't have friends/family
5-9 - I cleaned house big time and it felt good

really, the story here is in all these poll descriptions. lol.

you know the reason that people stopped talking to each other over d00d goes well beyond "lol I'm a little bit country, you're a little bit rock and roll", right?

I mean I knew a lot of Romney voters and I was like "ehh, whatev", but voting for a dude who made frequent misogynist comments, mocked disabled reporters, encouraged bullying, bred anti-Muslim sentiment, refused to distance himself and at times even enjoyed the support from neo-nazi supporters, has an adviser who runs a site that is basically the platform for the alt-right...

regardless of whether you voted for him despite these things because he would "create jobs", it still says "I don't care about my female or minority friends, Muslims, disabled people, etc, I just care about me getting a job", which is a pretty fucked up line of reasoning.

which isn't to say I immediately stopped associating w/ Trump voters right away but y'know, where there's smoke there's fire, and usually these folk tended to prove they were people I wanted nothing to do with pretty quickly, whereas I'd just think a Romney or McCain voter was stupid and move on.

0. It's mostly my family and we just don't talk about politics. We never really have.

ehhh, it's still ongoing. have family who despite trump but also despise muslims.

my dad voted Trump I suspect cos he doesn't like and never has liked HIllary Clinton altho he voted for Bill twice (tho once was more "against Bush"). but he's not anti-Muslim at all and in fact was criticizing the anti-Muslim sentiment after 9/11 so idk

as opposed to the other candidate who set such a great example of compassing by repeatedly voting to blow them up

I think the interesting thing about anti-Islam sentiment is that while it might seem to some like it's growing in light of Al Qaeda and 9/11 etc, I really feel like casual racism against Muslims was worse when I was growing up.

Mad magazine frequently made Muslims the target of jihad jokes when I was growing up, Oklahoma City news reporting falsely identified Muslims as the suspects in the early-going and led to retributory beatings, a summer school History teacher I had actually falsely told us all that Muhammad believed white people were evil and supported jihad and it was this tossed off statement that nobody in the class really challenged.

Which isn't to say the sentiment is anywhere near healthy at the moment but I don't know that we would have had protests this size back in say, 1996 if a similar EO was passed.

xpost k, yeah, we're not having this argument again here dude.

like dunno if you noticed but we are well aware of your views of Hillary as a hawk. You could pretty much have your own wing of ILX for those posts.

Yeah, Trump might have turned out to be just as big a fascist as everyone thought, but at least nobody has been bombing Syria. Aleppo is fine. Right? Right?

it is hard to see Clinton as this champion of the whatever when there is this mountain of evidence against it. it is "do as i say not as i do." if you are really a fan of fact based reality then you must admit this, and that it creates an ambiguity. in some cases shutting people could just be rash judgement, or acting on emotions, and could exacerbate a situation. a situation which you started off disliking and are now perpetuating! no, better to say "Well, we disagree" and move on. there are more important things than politics.

usually, this is true. but usually the dude in charge isn't mentally ill and an extreme narcissist and usually has held elected office before and understands how laws work.

I've lost one Facebook friend; I didn't block him though. I just told him nobody takes him seriously because he's a huge moron and asshole with no capacity for social decency & he blocked me

Adam have you always been this high

lol crut

there are more important things than politics.

in the immediate sense, I guess? politics informs and structures everything about life, so it's kind of important. the idea that being able to have a stress-free conversation about weather and sports with a person who shares up to 50% of my exact DNA is more important than literally everything else just seems short-sighted. just a little.

I haven't talked to any of my blood relatives other than my own kid in almost five years though, so hey, what do I know! you kids have fun.

Adam, nobody wrote that Clinton was a 'champion of whatever' and if you are really a fan of fact based reality then you must admit this.

fans of fact, based god, and reality

can we not recreate the whole Clinton vs Trump debate here again like it's last summer again?

xpost

0, i don't know any trump supporters, or any conservatives at all really

can we not recreate the whole Clinton vs Trump debate here again like it's last summer again?

― Neanderthal, 4. februar 2017 19:50 (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ok. But I really want to write 'and if you are really a fan of fact based reality then you must admit this' a couple more times, because it's a pretty amazing sentence. And if you are really a fan of fact based reality then you must admit this.

negative campaigning is dumb. anyone that donated to her campaign basically paid for a bunch of videos of Trump saying horrible stuff. through their obsession with him, they unwittingly promote everything he does. in a way they are Trump supporters too.

i agree though, let's come up with some new ideas. this thread doesn't seem to be that.

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Zero - other than some high school friends who remain on FB and my Pentecostal cousin, I don't think I really know anyone who voted for him (or was supportive without voting). The latter never says anything political and the former started out "haha lib'ruls" but have pretty much shut up since the Inauguration.

it's funny, my Christian friends fucking HATE Trump.

My friends complain about Trump-supporting parents and family and I thank god that my parents are pretty liberal and I torched all my asshole religious nut extended family for other reasons (aside from aforementioned cousin).

post but, p much none of them are Evangelicals or BAptists or any of the folks that sit at home jacking off to KJV

*xpost

by no means US-centric

Pretty much so.

... zero, in other words.

someone who is def not an American posted in another thread about tension between them and family members over Trump....more focused on US, yes, but this dude's a global problem

Yes, but people outside the US have plenty of other problems to worry about.

right, i was just sayin "you don't gots to be from the US to participate ITT", not mandating it

i have family that voted for him, mostly the older generations. they are going through aging pains and lots of medical shit right now and it is becoming clearer and clearer they are going to die some day. i don't need to stop talking to somebody - time will take care of that. besides it is an opportunity to listen and to present them with a different viewpoint they might not get within their political bubble. such are the hazards of 21st Century M-Theory Politics.

all the young people i know were for Clinton and Sanders, and go to these protests, and were active in social issues years before any of this recent stuff went down. it is the old people who tended to be for Trump. as you get old, if you are lucky enough to live on and not die, your body will fail as well as your mind. as your mind slips, you start acting like a kid again, occasionally reverting to bad or anti-social behavior. i have seen this happen w people i love. on some level it is beyond their control. this is the main reason i don't condemn them.

they are growing old and this also means they are from another era, where morals and values were different, where the culture was different. they recently retired and are idle all day like they haven't been since they were teenagers. like all of us they are embracing nostalgia. their generation was raised on TV and now they have the internet and Facebook. now they have youtube. they can pick up their Daniken/JFK conspiracy theories with ease, and it is amplified through the internal feedback of these Information Echo Chambers.

Maybe not but I think they could get a lot worse if left too much alone with other right wing people. My siblings and I can talk our parents away from certain positions sometimes. I think I benefit in some way from regularly observing people whose views I hate but I have to deal with them. You can read opposing views as much as you want but it's something more when you have to maintain a relationship with them.

Let's be clear that I don't mind if people want to dump all the Trump supporters they know. Life is short and you don't get the opportunity to dump friends and acquaintances very often.

honestly flabbergasted that anybody here would even attempt to argue that maintaining personal relationships with trump supporters is just fine and dandy.

how many friends/family members have you stopped speaking to because they didn't stop speaking to friends/family members because of Donald Trump

I literally don't know one single person who has told me they voted for Trump.

I honestly really don't fucking care if that puts me in a "bubble"

At my last job I did find out that a co-worker from another dept with whom I'd sometimes chat was a proud bnp supporter, which would prob be the closest equivalent here; it's not like we were mates or anything but yeah after I learned that I didn't want to talk to him, I don't need racists in my life

when it's really more like "If I had known this person was like this to begin with, we probably never would have became friends".

― Neanderthal, Saturday, 11 February 2017 01:07 (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is the crux of the issue imo. it's not as simple as "you like trump, get fucked this instant", it's more "all this time you deceived us by hiding views you knew were toxic". trump has given a lot of people the courage and confidence to go public as anti-race/anti-gay/anti-women fuckheads.

how many friends/family members have you stopped speaking to because they didn't stop speaking to friends/family members because of Donald Trump

― Guayaquil (eephus!)

none, i'm not actually infinitely recursive

i will occasionally throw my copy of "ummagumma" at them, but only if they really piss me off

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

well thats weird

family + friends feel like fairly different situations to me, i guess. obviously i'm not going to stop speaking to my elderly grandparents no matter who they support, but i can't see any reason to want to get a beer w/ someone who vocally supports trump. like beyond everything else, wtf would we even have to talk about?

lol - what was the point of this lame experiment

http://www.npr.org/2017/02/11/514164988/the-trump-voter-and-the-facebook-commenter

fake nurse and real nurse argue politics in person for the benefit of society

Idle thought driving home: how does Trump's divisiveness stand in relation to divisiveness over Vietnam? I think I know the answer, but I'd be interested in hearing from anyone old enough for first-hand impressions. I'm about five years too young and a few degrees of latitude too north.

Obviously, the million-plus deaths during the war, and the draft, make the divisiveness over Vietnam qualitatively different. And, as even this poll makes clear, Trump exacerbates divisions that are already firmly in place; Vietnam's divisiveness was much more scrambled.

If nothing else, Trump must be the most divisive person/event since Vietnam.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/25/1614376/-Why-Trump-voters-are-not-welcome-in-my-house-this-holiday

My husband just informed me that my aunt is posting pro-Trump/anti-refugee shit to Facebook. We're Canadian, so I thought we were pretty safe from this crap here, and I see my aunt infrequently enough (generally once or twice a year, on my grandfather's birthday and at Christmas, unless there is a wedding or funeral) that I don't see it impeding my life or my relationship with my family in any significant way, but it is definitely disappointing.

the only person i "know" who voted for Trump is one of the nurses at my hematology clinic; he draws my blood sometimes. He is a middle-aged Romanian immigrant.

I expect The Green Berets to be reissued at box offices very soon

p sure that is streaming in many places

streaming is Communist!

that explains many things about Morbs

last night there was this really aggravating redneck at the karaoke bar not merely cheering but SHRIEKING during everybody's songs in a piercing voice, and then after someone sang a song that he dedicated to the troops, she walked up to the karaoke host and the next singer and told them to stop and hold on a second, and said we needed to let the previous singer sing the National Anthem, because it was truly a great time to be alive right now. so it was obvious what she was saying without saying it - I'm of course at the bar to get away from shit like that and the whole bar had this uncomfortable atmosphere as a result (mostly cos no bouncers and employees just letting her carry on - it's a touristy bar).

The guy who she wanted to sing it wanted no part, and for the next 15 minutes, kept yelling at people to sing "God Bless America" or "The National Anthem".

never came so close to throwing a full glass of beer at anybody.

the only person i "know" who voted for Trump is one of the nurses at my hematology clinic; he draws my blood sometimes. He is a middle-aged Romanian immigrant.

Transylvania, by any chance?

I'm assuming you've noticed the lack of mirrors at the clinic?

open all night

Vampire In Trump Voting Fraud SHOCKAH!

and then after someone sang a song that he dedicated to the troops,

rly need 2 know what song, this sounds low key more fucked up than the redneck's antics.

I hope it was "Oliver's Army."

Love lift us up where we belong where the eagles cry on a mountain high love lift us up where we belong far from the world below up where the clear winds blow

I stopped speaking to my uncle over politics about a year before Trump, when he started letting his friends post pics of obama being lynched on his fb wall and he liked them. I did stop speaking to a cousin over trump though, as she was completely blind to the racist elements of his allure.

It started with a kiss, in the back row of the classroom how could I resist the aroma of your perfume you and I were inseparable, it was love at first sight you made me promise to marry you, I made you promise to be my bride but you were only eight years old and I had just about turned nine I thought that life was always good, I thought you always would be mine It started with a kiss, I never thought it would come to this it started with a kiss, I never thought it would come to this I remember every little thing, like fighting in the playground some good looking boys had started to hang around that boy hurt me so bad but I was happy 'cause you cried still I couldn't help but notice that new distant look in your eyes then when you were sixteen I had just turned seventeen I couldn't hold on to my love, I couldn't hold on to my dream it started with a kiss, I never thought it would come to this it started with a kiss, I never thought it would come to this You don't remember me do you? You don't remember me do you? Walking down the streets again, the star of my love story and my heart began to beat so fast, so clear was my memory I heard my voice call out your name as you looked then looked away I felt so hurt, I felt so small, it was all that I could say you don't remember me do you? You don't remember me do you? It started with a kiss, I never thought it would come to this it started with a kiss, I never thought it would come to this

it was "They're Coming to Take Me Away (Ha-Ha)"

j/k, I don't remember what lame country song it was

the only music genres i like are rap and country

Really about to stop answering the phone to my mum, who alleges the Kochs are registered Dems and that Left protestors did not vote and are on George Soros' payroll.

Kochs being registered dems would be interesting, considering their direct proxies are glad-handing republican legislators

I shit you not, the state director for Americans for Prosperity (the Koch proxy group) had his picture taken shaking the hand of my state's governor at the signing of a bill gutting collective bargaining

She is mixing this with saying very hurtful and/or racist things to me, perhaps she should look into adopting Ann fucking Coulter and leaving me the fuck alone.

sorry to hear that, suzy

Oh and get this: Obama never had as much vitriol thrown at him as 45 gets.

AAAAAAARGGGGGGHHHH

I don't know how to respond to that other than: OK?

I mean, I'm chuckling at the fact UK parliament voted to not even meet w/this fucker, but that says incredibly bad things for the state of affairs

20 years of this sniping has allowed her to think it's OK to say the most abusive shit to other people, and I'm sure it's harmed me long-term too because it's constant and undermines a lot of my other interactions. She has an extremely toxic co-dependent relationship with my sister, and although she has literally paid for it in thousands of ways, they just keep rolling around together like saloon cowboys in an unending bar fight.

if you are going to cut someone off then at least pause to think about why you were friends with them for so long (im not talking acquaintances) before this and furthermore why you tolerated those views prior to this political epoch. if they were your family then you must have been exposed to those thoughts and beliefs and on some level inform your social values. even if you do not subscribe to their ideology, you are still part of that system and that realm of privilege. imo cutting someone off is partially a denial of that privilege.

oh, god, fuck off

loooool

Amazing

Admittedly I've lived 4000 miles away from Toxic Madre for 25 years and haven't visited for six because of these issues.

I am willing to cut some slack to people who are going through shit times regardless of politics but in this case, Adam, I'm certain you should fuck right off. Really don't need to hear about privilege from some pasty-white emo boy, ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHWCXyKKUIw

pause to think about why you were friends with them for so long

ppl feel like they have to quantify/qualify their relationships and feel really aggrieved if some perceived social boundary is crossed, but the truth is that many social relationships are largely circumstantial. like I might be friends with a group of coworkers and be kind of close to a few and make lasting relationships, but it's just as likely I'll hang out with someone, share interests, and then switch jobs and maybe invite them to a gathering at my house. but maybe after once or twice, that's it! it's like they were never there. and if they're particularly noxious and I don't have to make nice at work, I have no reason to ever engage

like sometimes parents are good friends, or were genuinely good parents and still are, but there are truly shitty parents or those that were really only good at getting you from birth to age 18 and now they're just dicks

fwiw my grandfather, who my dad has always felt some obligation to despite the fact he is a total dick, is currently on his deathbed. since the death of my grandmother he's been more than reasonable and helpful

here are some delightful things my grandfather has said:
"I hope I outlive you!"
"If I die first, I'm going to haunt you!"

we can kind of laugh these off now, but in all reality my grandfather has haunted my dad for 20 years with this sense that he's responsible for helping him out, despite the fact he was a mean, emotionally needy asshole

if you are going to cut someone off then at least pause to think about why you were friends with them for so long (im not talking acquaintances) before this and furthermore why you tolerated those views prior to this political epoch.

It's almost like people can reveal new things about themselves or even... change.

would mom and I really have so much in common if we didn't live in the same house