Jeremy Corbyn vs Angela Eagle

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Corbyn, Jeremy Corbyn
He's the greatest guy in history
From the town of Shrewsbury
He's increased his major-ity

think i might develop a Maoist infatuation with Jezza now just for the lulz

Lamest opponent silver lined starclutch of the hour:

Jim Pickard ‏@PickardJE 52m52 minutes ago
Statistic of the day is that Owen Smith got more votes than Ed Miliband did six years ago.
Smith, 2016: 193k
Miliband, 2010: 175k

That's certainly statistic of the day for anyone deeply concerned with bragging rights between Owen Smith and Ed Miliband.

But hey, the real statistic of the day in the hundreds of thousands of people dependent upon food banks for basic subsistence, right?

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There will come a time for unity, a time to bury hatchets, a time to cast away stones, a time to gather stones together.

Not today though, today is for gloating, and clowning fuck out of these smarmy progress clowns on the internet

this is interesting/unexpected: according to an exit poll, Smith beat Corbyn 55 to 45 with 18-23 year olds

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/owen-smith-exit-poll-jeremy-corbyn-yougov-electiondata_uk_57e652e2e4b0e81629a9d393

(I guess a lot of folk in that age range who supported Corbyn may have been those caught out by the cut-off date for voting rights, may have been less likely to be able to afford to pay £25 for reg supporter vote, may be more likely to have been purged due to something they wrote on social media?)

smarmy progress gimps, rather, blue pencil that re-use of clown

Labour youth orgs all seem dominated by Blair/Progress types, which may have had an influence.

kids interested in politics swings more middle class than the electorate as a whole

Yeah and also, don't want to sound too cynical about young peoples involvement in labour, but perhaps has a highish proportion who have an eye on politics as career, certainly compared to older age cohorts

Probably a higher margin of error in exit polling too as they make up a small proportion of total.

They've been talking up the idea of another leadership challenge for as long as it has been obvious Smith was going to lose.

The objective will be to try to recruit 100k more to the Saving Labour camp and have another go when they think they have the electorate they need.

― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Saturday, September 24, 2016 1:13 PM (fifty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'd think that the leadership challenge was a constant want from that part of the party and that Owen Smith was just a current manifestation. Which is why the only way to get rid of that challenge or a manifestation thereof would be to try to get rid of that element which is what I thought a purge would at least be attempting to do.
But would also think that the Party wasn't going to remain at any one point for any long period of time, since the party consists of a mass compromise over issues that are in continual change over time.
Just thinking that the elements of time and change are central to any mass movement so focus is continually shifting.
But would hope that getting rid of something that is inevitably going to create conflict at any one point must be a positive.
Or something to that effect.

hold an olive branch out to the right whilst insisting you have a mandate to control the party's agenda, let the right wing fucks purge themselves or show themselves up with more attempts to ignore the membership and unseat Corbyn. a wise strategy from the Great Leader.

think i might develop a Maoist infatuation with Jezza now just for the lulz

― door unlawful carnal knowledge (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 24 September 2016 12:27 (one hour ago) Permalink

I'm already there and I can tell you I like the view

He's the greatest guy in history
From the town of Shrewsbury

point of order: this is in fact me (runner-up = charles darwin obv) since corbyn is from chippenham, even if he did grow up in north east shropshire

james butler on what's next for labour

What's happening about the purged masses. I thought if Corbyn won there would be an attempt to get the loads of people that the PLP had excluded from the party back into it, is that possible without purging those who'd purged them?

many months of appeals i should think

xp such hubris to put yourself above Darwin and Percy Thrower:p

I have only briefly listened to some unconvincing and equivocal PLP responses to their defeat on R4 this aft. But i get the feeling they will try a slower and more effective game next, but that might be crediting them with more nous than they have. It was lovely listening to some butthurt Labour right activist types ringing R4 this aft about the death of "their" party.

I'd love to know how many people out of the 250000 purged actually joined to support Smith. It probably wouldn't have made a shit of difference, but it does highlight the PLP's authoritarian habit of running roughshod over people rather than winning them over.

what the

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he's either the self-clowning oven of UK politics, or the greatest conceptual artist of all time

listening to 5live Pienaar coverage. shocking spin against Corbyn and for his opponents.

I am appalled at the way the anti-Corbyn Labour people have undermined, abused and launched a coup against him, staged a contest, have lost -- and now react by saying they're going to dictate terms, making demands, setting ultimatums, etc. They lost! After trashing their party and dragging it through the mud! When will they have some dignity and modesty? (Mostly, I suppose, never.)

Just makes the idea that nothing is going to be done in retribution all the more annoying. At least they'd learn there wasa line they couldn't cross.

& the idea that people who were bounced out of the party vote because they might just support the person that did wind up getting voted in aren't going to get back into the party without further struggle is more than slightly wrong innit?

agree. especially on your second point.

we are told (by Sadiq Khan!) that there is now a danger of a 'left-wing purge'. of course there has only been one purge - a right-wing purge.

what retribution there should be, I'm not sure. but yes it's infuriating that these people are always placated and treated with kid gloves, then say they're being purged and attacked and complain.

it seems to be groundhog day with Yvette Cooper and she sounds a bit confused, she is still insisting Corbyn needs to deploy the complete control she constantly infers he has over every unpleasant idiot on social media. Even the abuse she is quoting is from way out of the Labour sphere of influence, I mean from Trump supporters - wtf!

"She told the paper: "The worst I get as a Labour MP is usually from the far right. Recent grim tweets include an Australian who wants to behead me and a Trump supporter who hates refugees.

"But no matter where it is from, abuse and intimidation entrench prejudice, silence debate and poison democracy. Even a small minority can drag everyone else down."

She said Mr Corbyn and Mr McDonnell should "insist on higher standards and proper enforcement".

yes - this is bonkers in exactly the ways you say.

btw this thread doesn't come up on New Answers for me - is this a general problem?

the situation above re the Blairites' reaction makes me feel about them the way that ILX poster 'conrad' does.

Surely just about any other political figure would at least try to clear up what caused the coup and the following campaign. Isn't that almost the definition of damage limitation.

So, since it has already been said here before the results of the election came through that there would be less sympathy for Corbyn if there were further attempts to unseat him, that idea must be more widespread than this list.
I really can't see a lack of action along those lines, to try to make sure his status is more stable at least, can be seen as a good thing.
Unless it is as has been suggested by Noodle Vague that the negative forces should be left to out themselves. But would everybody see them as negative forces anyway?
From what I'm seeing the idea that Labour is a coalition of a lot of different leftish perspectives is going to continually present problems in itself. But having several smaller parties trying to establish themselves in the wake of the party would presumably just leave things way too open for the Tories to become almost a one party state at least for long enough to take things even further into the shit.

Metaphorically speaking I'm reminded of the joke about the religious nut stuck in a flood who turns away the rescue boat because he's waiting for God to send him the sign he's been assured of.
Or to put taht more clearly , most people would think that if one was in a position of leadership one would deal with the element that was causing one trouble instead of just waiting for it to clear itself up. & the act of not clearing it up when it needs to be might just be seen as becoming the problem that needs to be dealt with. Something about cybernetically guiding a coalition of people who don't necessarily get along together and are likely to be infighting to some degree into something that does at least function together as a vehicle of good being good leadership which is the role that JC is supposed to be in. & that cybernetic guidance possibly taking the shape of reprimanding or severely limiting the power of the element that is currently out of balance and therefore rocking the boat etc.

That makes sense.

It almost feels like something 'conrad' would say.

So, I have a constituency party meeting on Wednesday. Given we voted to support Smith, should I demand the resignation of the Smith supporting office-holders? The danger would be that they might expect me to do something...

Exterminate All The Brutes imo

This is why the Tories are so much better at grabbing power. Fucking Rees-Mogg staunchly supported four people in the space of as many weeks and nobody's calling for his resignation

tbf to the lad that's just about supporting A.N. Tory, Corbyn's problem is the Tories who will never support him, electable or not

it was fun watching a seething heidi alexander on the politics show, she has no answer for "if the PLP were concerned about Corbyn bringing the party too far too the left, why were basically Smith's domestic policies identical?"

She is another one trying to call the terms of defeat without any leverage. Like why on earth would Corbyn let the PLP fill his shadow cabinet with his enemies as a compromise? He might as well resigned back in april if he was going to immediately capitulate after another leadership victory.

there's been a notable absence of contrition and bridge-building so far hasn't there? i think Corbyn can live with that for a few days, allow the worst culprits to show everybody what they are. the centrists - cough - have to come to him now, unless they're genuinely prepared to split.

Meanwhile conference has decided not to debate Brexit.

Chuka took a break from making tough on immigrants speeches to make some conciliatory noises earlier, but he definitely has a touch of the Rees-Mogg about him. I'd love to hear what McDonnell is saying behind closed doors about the no-compromise crew's offer of selecting their shadow cabinet.

That Liz Carr speech at the conference about the real effects of austerity on the disabled is telling it like it is.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/actress-liz-carr-stuns-audience-8911590

That's some speech

I wonder how many present who were clapping the speech were cowardly abstainers who aided and abetted the tories in bringing in the welfare bill.

Andy Burnham is beside her in the photo. I like him. I like the way that throughout the Corbyn era, he has knuckled down and got on with working for Corbyn, whether he entirely agrees with him or not, pausing only occasionally to make quite polite appeals for other people to do the same.

Jeremy Corbyn is doing well !

he needs to do better

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lol fair

best be safe and order more of the ones with the red star

His own work is good but he distracts others.

Untapped potential from the rosy-cheeked whippersnapper.