Star Trek Beyond

aka Justin Lin's new Fast and the Furious movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRVD32rnzOw

is it just me or is this week terrible timing to release this trailer?

On the one hand. On the other...why not something different?

Is it because they want to be able to show it during previews at Star Wars?

Yeah, we now live in an era where Star Trek trailers are attached to SW movies

^^^ Forget the War on Xmas.

how could that be, as ST is Paramount and SW is Disney?

This article says that theaters typically select the majority of previews.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2010/04/how_do_movie_theaters_decide_which_trailers_to_show.html

As many as six trailers play before features at major chains, like AMC and Regal. The studio releasing a given film typically has automatic rights to two of these slots, and theater executives (in consultation with higher-ups from various studios) select the remaining four.

yes, but there are cases where the studio attaches a trailer to the prints (except they ain't prints anymore). so kingfish is technically incorrect.

are we pretending that a bunch of the original Star Trek movies didn't have special effects by the company created for Star Wars effects? not a huge gulf between these two franchises on the production end, even if the fans think themselves worlds apart

Terrible. They're not only solely relying on cliches from TOS and the TOS movies, but now also cliches from the first reboot! Who are they playing these "hope in the impossible" lines to? Fans who would know groan, while it's meaningless to new fans. I guess the music appeals to.. someone?

I'll still watch and enjoy though in spite of all this.

guessing the movie will be a lot more interesting and joyful

that looks like total garbage

Trailer reminded me of the TOS episode 'The Gamesters of Triskelion'.

Star Trek Bed Bath & Beyond
http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/1/1/128043-star-trek-enterprise-ship-cufflinks.html

geez they're just using the same song as the first movie even

this looks hilarious

justin lin understands how to direct ppl as if the characters care about each other, might be good

I'm sure it will be dumb, but hopefully a better kind of dumb than the last one.

at least ppl are unlikely to say "it's a desecration of 'The Gamesters of Triskelion'."

will likely be a better action movie than STID. unfortunate that lin got stuck with a series not primarily known for action.

not really unfortunate. More "stupid"

ugh

It's a desecration of 'The Gamesters of Triskelion'.

it's not for... true gamesters.

Star! Trek! Beyond!
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f5/Madness.jpg/220px-Madness.jpg
dada daaaaaaaa dadada dada daaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
dada daaaaaaaa dadada da daaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

this will be my favorite reboot if it is all ska-trek puns.

skanksters of triskalion

movie titles make me think of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgHHX9R4Qtk&t=3m5s

whoops... go to 3:05

Star Trek Into Darkness had nothing to do with Into Darkness but it's kind of a generic title anyways so I guess it fits just by being a phrase that could fit more or less any plot. Same thing with "Beyond" which could describe pretty much any ST movie conceivable.

Into Darkness wasn't bad but I have been struggling to remember a single thing from it that wasn't in the trailers.

4 Non Beyonds

Wtf at Spock's hair.

after further reflection and a second screening of the first movie i am actually astonished at how terrible this reboot series has been, like i've read articles and posts on here even saying how abrams just wants to pay homage or not fuck up what those before him created but i mean this series is just one long continuing fuckup.

the first one's okay (lame villain really hampers it). Couldn't bring myself to see the second one. Latest looks pretty stupid.

they should go back to high concept TV imo

first one is the best by a long shot and probably has the most in common w/the tone of the previous incarnations but it still misses the mark. last one was schumacher batman wrong, this one looks worse.

http://trekcore.com/blog/2015/12/simon-pegg-asks-fans-to-hang-in-there/

they're doing a new show

exec produced by Kurtzman...

be careful what you wish for

to boldly go where no man has gone before....and blow shit up while we're there

who is Kurtzman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Kurtzman

ugh

kinda wished they would hand it back to the BSG/ex-TNG guys instead (even if they did totally fuck up BSG)

Fringe (which Kurtzman co-created) had a couple good seasons.

More than a couple IMHO.

Kurtzman didn't have much to do with Fringe by the time it got good, I think.

I think the Kings (who do the Good Wife) could do a pretty good Trek. Find someone with dialogue/character credentials, not nerd credentials.

Or, tbh, the Trek I really want to see would be one last TNG movie (surely they're no more aged than most of the TOS crew was for Undiscovered Country?)

Find someone with dialogue/character credentials, not nerd credentials

^^^

nothing more worthless than nerd credentials imo

Or, tbh, the Trek I really want to see would be one last TNG movie (surely they're no more aged than most of the TOS crew was for Undiscovered Country?)

― Chuck_Tatum

Patrick Stewart, at 75, is older than any of the main cast (shatner, nimoy,kelley etc.) of the Undiscovered Country. The rest of the cast would be younger on average than the cast of Undiscovered Counry.

only 9 years in age difference between shatner and stewart

If we're fantasy-producing Trek, why not get David Simon?

saw this last night (wife wanted to see it for her birthday) and I enjoyed it fine. The right cast and tone and design go a long way for me. Yeah there were plotholes and some dumb moments here and there but I dug it, it was basically just one long episode and it hit all the right character beats without being crammed chockfull of easter egg callbacks to other shit. Really dug the design of the Yorktown and the random plant/animal/rock details of the planet, and the way the underlying Trek ethos of utopian multiculturalism got sprinkled throughout. Walking home afterwards that got me thinking about why exactly I prefer Trek to Star Wars by such a wide margin - Star Wars isn't really about ideas or even science fiction, it's essentially a classic mythological dynastic drama. It's central theme is about succession/family/destiny and the sci-fi stuff is just window dressing. But Trek comes out of the sci-fi tradition of imagining a better world, of projecting an idealized future that reflects our fears/hopes of the present, and as such it feels much richer to me. It's about envisioning a functional utopia - the crew! everybody different but committed to each other. The utopia is intermittently silly and ridiculous, sometimes self-consciously so, but that gets mined for laughs (Trek def seems more humorous to me in general than Star Wars, another point in its favor).

I totally agree except the movie sucked.

haha well there ya go

I admit that by the last big battle sequence I basically didn't give a fuck about the central conflict/threat/whatever of course Kirk was gonna get saved by Bones and Spock duh

Just experienced a nerd self-backpat from the picture above: "Ruk!"

I disagree and this movie sucked

Good post, Shakey.

"i liked this movie that got me thinking what i like about trek is everything this movie ignored" dumbass

Who are you addressing?

Justin Lin

I was p clear that this movie *did* emphasize what i like about trek - the multiculturalism, space utopias (what else would you call the yorktown? It was basically a mccall painting), the crew/cast's commitment to each other, the humor.

Xp

yorktown was like they were fighting & chasing inside an escher drawing

but i still dug it

it's very diluted star trek, though for some reason that doesn't bug me as much as it should

Liked this movie for the most part. I like these characters, but I don't love them like the originals.

The main thing that bugged me was calling the starbase 'Yorktown'. That was the original name for the Enterprise in Roddenberry's proposal to NBC and is mentioned in the show and is assumed to be comparable to Enterprise. They're both named after WWII era carriers. The original ocean-going Yorktown was named after the American Revolutionary War battle. This all made sense in the mid-60s pitching an American show to an American network during the Cold War.

I'm sure Pegg (or whoever) meant it as a nerdy tribute, but calling a stationary base "Yorktown" is very wrong (and something Roddenberry would have never allowed!). Also, it seems like the base is a testament to the cosmopolitan nature of the Federation, so why would it be named after an old earth battle?

Also, it was too big. The recent movies always get the scales wrong. The earth starbase in the TOS films was huge but conceivable. Yorktown is SOOO big.

Finally, why is it "commanded" by a Starfleet admiral? It would seem that millions of people should have an elected governor at least.

because the federation is basically a military dictatorship

Speculative revisionism!

Oh dear, this wasn't very good, was it?

In the end, I think I preferred the ambitious claptrap of Into Darkness than this cover band greatest hits version of Trek. Anyway - TV show in a couple months, so who cares.

This was entirely unmemorable, Karl Urban is starting to piss me off with his almost parodic performance, and they stole the "classical music" joke almost verbatim from Futurama.

I have retained very little memory of this movie.

This year's laudable 'enterprise' rocketed past every reheated rehash you've seen before. One of America's most able directors effortlessly applying his artistic legerdemain. Legendary, ostensibly what every enthusiast needed.

I very much doubt they're going to do another one of these, and I guess I'm fine with that.

"classical music" joke was also in a 1965 episode of Doctor Who where they watch the Beatles on a tardis TV.

I watched this (ST Beyond) last night. It had about enough plot to fill a smallish teacup and the characters had nothing of interest to do, except insofar as being in danger and fighting will seem to be interesting for a while, just because we all have monkey brains. This movie is what the word shite was coined to describe.

Are the plot holes big enough to fit a space station? yes!

Are the characters totally basic? yes!

Did I care? nope. I'm probably going to watch it again so I can give it the proper praise it deserves. Justin Lin directing a sci-fi action movie written by Simon Pegg is very much what I hoped it would be.

tombot otm

love the 70s-paperback-cover look of this movie

oh I said that upthread before

me otm, i guess

yeah this was totally enjoyable

yeah i dug it

I skipped the Khan reboot one, not sure if I prefer this to the first film but it's possible

khan reboot was kind of a chore imo

It was trash, the most joyless Trek ever

I've never liked Cumberbatch, but once the plot details started to leak I was like wtf no

This is definitely my favorite of the three. Veggies OTM re #2. I also think one of the strengths of this one is not leaning so much on the Spork dynamic and letting some of the other characters breathe, as thin as they all may be.

Way better than the second movie but still kind of dull, I thought.

Not trying to challops but I think Quinto is *terrible* as Spock. There's too much anger in the character - it's a boring acting choice. I just kind of want the movies to be 2hrs of Kirk.

yeah i'm not really a fan of his portrayal, it completely whiffs on the dry, intellectual side of Spock.

the alternate timeline shit is needlessly complicated, too.

needlessly complicated or... opportunity for comicsplaining?
https://i.imgur.com/PU39xHA.png

crisis on infinite cumberpatch

I love #3, and I love #1 ...that Khan nonsense never happened as far as I'm concerned.

I mentioned this upthread but Mr Veg said something I think about a lot w/r/t these movies. He likes the reboots well enough, but he feels like the reboots work overtime to make the look and the tone feel like Star Trek but it bugs him the way they steer clear of any of the depth of content that Rodenberry brought to the series. Like there's no real science or social issues, there's no 'there' there.

I blame JJ Abrams; I've always felt like he just liked the clothes and the spaceships of Star Trek but thought the content was too nerdy

(and I am generally a fan of Abrams)

Agreed on those pts

Abrams is a fan-fiction writer given unlimited studio resources.

The opposite, I'd have thought? Fan-fiction writers care A LOT.

Like there's no real science or social issues, there's no 'there' there.

Totally - Super 8 the same: all the Spielberg signifiers, none of the depth. Even the TOS and TNG movies, gaudy as they are, are still "about something" while still working as silly sci-if action movies

no way! i loved the kids in Super 8.

ST Beyond was written by a fan fiction dork, though, which is why it's a fucking blast.

The whole setup to get to the sabotage bit is A++++ trek dialogue for all time, btw, startling from when hears "lassie" say the word bees

... from when Spock hears her say "bees"... derp phone

New series debuts tmrw, btw

yes and Star Trek: The Bryan Fuller TV reboot

Finally watched this, and it's not half-bad (the Spock/McCoy scenes particularly)! The half that is bad pretty much involves the bad aliens, who have a LOT of similarities with the nu-Klingons on Discovery.

It's almost as if they... sabotaged themselves.