hey gawker dudes. what the fuck is wrong with you?

http://gawker.com/parks-rec-exec-found-dead-from-apparent-overdose-1686895611

Which wouldn't be so bad but you couldn't help but link to

http://defamer.gawker.com/its-because-youre-a-cunt-harris-1168629718/+johncook

Really?

link maybe automatic, related story, tag or whatever.

The "obit" doesn't seem so bad.

A lot of gawker is gossip, never going to be the classiest website.

Oh yeah the link is in the text /illiterate

if you include the link you're shameless. if you don't you're whitewashing your record. kind of a no win situation

Ehh idk, pretty sure you could choose not to hyperlink that shit in an obit, and I know that gawker is the new cool kid ILX crew, but fuck that noise.

i think it's sad that ppl think gawker is cool -- like the ppl who write for it seem like a mix of college student newspaper dorks that felt they were "edgier" than their peers but not extroverted enough to be sketch comedy dweebs

gawker media, jjjusten wants a word with you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64sy-053698

reading this thread i thought it was going to be like, one of those embedded links with an image. that would have been pretty hilarious/fucked up. but a hyperlink in the text? meh

if you include the link you're shameless. if you don't you're whitewashing your record. kind of a no win situation

It isn’t white washing if it’s a minor story. And it was an extremely minor story.

the new cool kid ILX crew lol

new cool kid ILX crew needs to be doing more to prevent plushie-fucking garbage like this imo

http://io9.com/10-superheroes-who-can-never-have-sex-5015295

The first two grafs of the Hulk item are a good an argument as any that comic books and comic book movies should never be consumed by anyone over the age of 14

it would have been really disingenuous to write about his death but pretend like we have no history with him

new cool kid ILX crew needs to be doing more to prevent plushie-fucking garbage like this imo

sure we'll do this right after you storm into will dana's office and put your foot down over the new U2 album getting 5 stars

agree that it was such a minor story that it'd of been fine and a scosh classier to not include it

lol @ plushie-fucking garbage

In the future all celeb obits will include a disclosure about the writer being blocked on Twitter by the deceased

i still dont REALLY get this complaint but im glad you posted about it here and on facebook

frankly it would be really weird and shady to pretend we (or really a couple ex employees) had never gotten in a stupid fight with this guy? its not that the story is or is not newsworthy its that we were directly involved as an institution. better to err on the side of transparency

and even then i guess i dont quite get it. are obits supposed to be safe spaces?

are obits supposed to be safe spaces?

yes

it's called 'decorum' usually

It's bad form to call out or air the dirty laundry of someone who is no longer around to defend him/herself. And I'm sure it's pretty much the last thing anyone who cares about that person wants to read about when they're grieving.

I mean, write an article or a book or whatever after some time has passed and tell the world how much of a d-bag the person was if you need to, but slipping funeral atendees pictures of the deceased with his mistress just makes you look like a ghoul.

When Norm McDonald dies does Rolling Stone have to print that he tweeted a critique of their Best SNL cast list?

i don't think mentioning gawker's history with the guy is nec. a bad thing but the way it's inserted into the article is really weird to me, like it's vague enough to invite you to click on it, had it been prefaced with something like "we should note in the interest of transparency that we engaged in an angry blah blah blah...." i would understand more

i still dont REALLY get this complaint but im glad you posted about it here and on facebook

Maybe Gawker can run an article about it and link back to it when we die

take it to kinja

xp: lololol

"Media is just a word that has come to mean bad journalism." - Graham Greene

^^ GG firing shots at gawker over ethics in journalism

lolololx2

clearly the gawker keepin' it negative dickhole cool kid crew should run ILX

clearly they should

― carne asada, Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:38 PM (6 years ago)

i think it's sad that ppl think gawker is cool -- like the ppl who write for it seem like a mix of college student newspaper dorks that felt they were "edgier" than their peers but not extroverted enough to be sketch comedy dweebs

― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Friday, February 20, 2015 4:01 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think gawker is cool. i guess i buy into their self-image of bravely flaunting politesse standards of establishment journalism, and the writers not caring who they piss off definitely makes for interesting reading. disrespecting the death of some random tv producer i've never heard of doesn't necessarily quality as "brave," but idk it's hard to care either way. i like how the nothing gets the gloves off on ilx like obits

We are clearly in need of higher standards for reading.

comic books and comic book movies should never be consumed by anyone over the age of 14

― pro stroke Johnny Gill songs would rub you the right way (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, February 20, 2015 7:50 AM (5 hours ago)

i hope you are consistently making this argument on all the relevant ilx threads, sugar

i see people get all excited about these movies and then I see this woman is describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner

not to be trenchant or anything but everyone lies in obits it's the american way. *thanks obama for gawker*

i mean gawker dudes, thanks dudes

i see people get all excited about these movies and then I see this woman is describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner

― pro stroke Johnny Gill songs would rub you the right way (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, February 20, 2015 1:08 PM (6 minutes ago)

you don't get boners?

Whiney gets a boner every time he gets the opportunity to neg on pop culture he doesn't approve of.

how exciting

i can't help but be a little curious why a small business owner in the midwest is outraged about an obit published by a young hip but increasingly conservative new media outlet about a sad comedy ca druggy with a tumblr book deal in which there is what seems like a minor concession to past beef. small world i guess?

Mumble! Sigh! Sob! Comics aren't just for adults anymore!

Sorry, couldn't think of better sound effects for stereotypical alt commix.

don't care about this controversy but can't wait to make good use of this thread in the future

just what we need -- another cis-het white man talking about the hulk's boner

*tumbls furiously*

comic books and comic book movies should never be consumed by anyone over the age of 14

― pro stroke Johnny Gill songs would rub you the right way (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, February 20, 2015 7:50 AM (5 hours ago)

what about Kevin Smith movies

Hey hip-hop nerds. What kind-of hip-hop is this?

will do

don't you live in greenpoint where's it's like 90% polish people and upwardly mobile white twentysomethings pretending to be broke? who are you scared of there?

― imo phillips (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, February 21, 2009 11:34 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

are you scared of getting a seitan taco from the taco truck?

― imo phillips (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, February 21, 2009 11:35 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

best thread ever

"grim reapah!" burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb never fails to brighten my day

*not counting my early cringeworthiest years

Jezebel is shuttering
https://boingboing.net/2023/11/09/jezebel-to-close-after-owner-g-o-media-fails-to-find-buyer.html

Sorry to hear it

aw man :(

https://www.404media.co/advertisers-dont-want-sites-like-jezebel-to-exist/?fbclid=IwAR2wAGnQ4log5ObQI1nRQtNXJkIX0E9PLRitxyPZ7BOAPlw5IxulIYg_fa8

Josh Marshall wrote a really good thread about this. I know it's been mentioned on ILX how to show the whole thing without linking to twitter, but I totally forget, sorrry.

Taking a hiatus from posting as opposed to sharing TPM links. But I wanted to share a few thoughts, perhaps give some context on the shuttering of Jezebel and how to understand these things. First, while I don't know Jezebel's internals and I less abt the current iteration ...

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) November 9, 2023

https://nitter.net/joshtpm/status/1722679567637254611

Thanks!

a legend returns

The Lure of Divorce: Seven years into my marriage, I hit a breaking point — and had to decide whether life would be better without my husband in it.

In the summer of 2022, I lost my mind.

oof, a lot to take in there

incredible piece. I probably have an unhealthy parasocial relationship with them after the apartment hunting series and raising raffi (also very good) that is heightened by how honest and open she so often is.

I both like and question the fact she mentions the pandemic only once, in the opening

my brain is putting some ironic “keep calm and parent on” poster on her wall that she does not need

yeah that was v. good

yeah wow that was great

the essay was a lot tamer than I’d expected based on the reactions on twitter lol. good read, hope they’re ok

she drives reply guys crazy (more than the median smart woman writer) for reasons i've never really understood.

her husband learned to make… spaghetti? jfc

I'm the one to say this because no one else is going to say it because it's just not something you're allowed to say. But I'll say it for your sake. This was hard on your marriage V pic.twitter.com/ZLhVUhpFi9

— cai (@AnneNotation) February 15, 2024

her husband learned to make… spaghetti? jfc

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, February 16, 2024 5:12 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

hmm I don’t know if this is really a fair one line takeaway lol

xp yeah. the loud people on the internet being critical are completely tone deaf to the deliberate understatements and tongue-in-cheek sections. everyone needs to have one literate friend in the group to explain things, apparently

The kid (only one is described in the book) seems fine at book length and certainly no worse than my kids. I think that review is summarizing one of the more comic chapters of an entire book.

But yes kids are hard on a marriage. The description of parenting in New York in the pandemic is horrifying.

sorry to derail but where are we talking about the CIA taking $50k from the cut's financial advice columnist for safekeeping?

yes that one was far more unhinged but also doesn’t seem like there’s much to really talk about

lol the cut’s essays editor must be celebrating

meanwhile cf literary clusterfucks thread

god I love writer drama. this woman’s book about her divorce was mentioned totally neutrally in another writer’s essay about her marriage and she’s has been vigorously subtweeting her all day because she didn’t also get divorced pic.twitter.com/gDtugi4zlm

— katie (@focusfronting) February 15, 2024

re: the financial advice columnist getting scammed, this woman went on an absolute tear yesterday about how anyone can be scammed (no doubt true!) and do we really think we're smarter than andy cohen (actually, yes!)

Yup, you're smarter than her. And smarter than Andy Cohen, who fell victim to a phone scam. https://t.co/BWoBobztOz

— Jessica Roy (@jessica_roy) February 15, 2024

I just can’t believe there are people who still answer the phone

i find it wild that people answer their phones for someone/thing that is not in their phones' phonebook (this does not apply to old ppl w only land lines)

oh lol big doubleup there

I have the same reaction that I always do to these stories of marriage/kids/books -- I feel bad for Raffi. Being exploited like that, for his parents' benefit. I also did not know that Keith was Masha Gessen's brother. Does he not have anything else to write about?!

lol mookie

I think if you have a reason to take random phone calls part of your regular set of tools needs to be specific things to ask to determine if any call is legit or total bullshit, where total bullshit is the default. I found out some coworkers were responding to direct solicitation from salespeople in their work email and WHY? if you have no need for this product or service just ignore it. anything else is “this guy responds to email, I could have a live one on the line”

I was talking to a guy from a biometric security company a couple of days ago who reckons that we are about a year away from the kind of tech currently being used to, for example, create live deepfakes of CEOs with meticulously constructed VR spoofs of their homes and offices capable of fooling their employees and banks, being accessible to more or less anyone who wants to use it. Not sure how any of these people are going to survive.

the corporate threat simulations for these things have gotten a little better but are still pretty funny. oh, the ceo of my employer wants me to open this dropbox link? I totally talk to him all the time, makes sense. they’ll have to catch up further, but the limiting factor is going to be whether people high up in enough in companies will be able to take the ego hit if any of the deepfakes or spam calls actually fool them. some real thin skin in those upper echelons, sometimes

I get what you’re saying LL but I think some parenting writing avoids that by being about parenting rather than about the kid. The specifics are about the parent rather than the kid. The specifics are specific to the parent and their relationship with their partner, the kid could be any kid. (This obviously isn’t true of all parenting memories). Parenting becomes such a big part of your life (especially the mother) that they are left with nothing personal to write about if they don’t address it. Rachel cusk is good on this.

(I’m not saying this defence applies to raising raffi in particular. There are a couple of chapters in there with the stated goal of memorializing raffi the toddler, which describe him in some detail.)

i'd love to punch my hologram CEO

-KRS One

“All parenting memoirs”

man the emily gould piece made me financially anxious. until it mentioned the in-laws live in cape cod. later it's revealed to be falmouth. i went on zillow to see what houses there sell for. i think they'll be fine!

I get what you’re saying LL but I think some parenting writing avoids that by being about parenting rather than about the kid. The specifics are about the parent rather than the kid. The specifics are specific to the parent and their relationship with their partner, the kid could be any kid. (This obviously isn’t true of all parenting memories). Parenting becomes such a big part of your life (especially the mother) that they are left with nothing personal to write about if they don’t address it. Rachel cusk is good on this.

(I’m not saying this defence applies to raising raffi in particular. There are a couple of chapters in there with the stated goal of memorializing raffi the toddler, which describe him in some detail.)

I hear you and don't think I will personally ever be ok with putting a young person's life on display in this way. I have very personal reasons for feeling this way and I don't see any situation in which I would feel differently. Being fully aware of the rigors of parenting (though I admittedly haven't done it myself) is not new to me. I am fully aware that in the modern world, parents become consumed by their children and have little room in their lives for much else, at least for a time. None of this is novel information, if we're being honest.

Neither that knowledge nor the centering of the parental experience changes my belief that knowingly putting a young person's life on display without their consent is not good for the young person's life experience. Whether the output centers the parental experience or is more egregiously exploitative of the child, mining one's child's life for material is just not something I am ok with. I expressed myself above and continue to feel that way. I don't actually think you got what I was saying bc if you did, you wouldn't have tried to change my mind.

sorry for derailing

i find it wild that people answer their phones for someone/thing that is not in their phones' phonebook (this does not apply to old ppl w only land lines)

― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, February 16, 2024 9:47 AM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

when my kids were in day care I had to! they always called from their personal phones to say hey, your kid puked, go pick 'em up

LL: I wasn’t trying to change your mind, but fair enough.

sorry to derail but where are we talking about the CIA taking $50k from the cut's financial advice columnist for safekeeping?

The bit (assuming the whole thing isn't a bit, so to speak) where the CIA dude gives her a nine-digit case number and she thinks "Hmm, I should check this is on the up-and-up" and googles the case number is amazing.

rip vichy deadspin

congrats Cord Jefferson!

Good riddance

https://www.sportico.com/law/analysis/2024/deadspin-defamation-lawsuit-chiefs-fan-1234765929/

Just amazing seeing the reactions on Twitter. Literally nobody is shedding a tear for these writers.

what is happening

people who complain about sports media are generally one of the worst segments of the internet

I have no idea what's up at deadspin since all the people whose work I liked reading left, but it sucks to be a writer and get laid off! Maybe having little to no budget had a lot to do with that article getting published without editorial oversight or a second person saying "hey, maybe leave this bit out" but I'm sure sports dorks are going to talk about it forever

local sports fans are still weird about some young writer for the paper who got thrown under the bus after a misconstrued interaction with someone he interviewed