Does the Loch Ness Monster really exist?

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There's a programme on telly tonight (BBC1 at 8pm) about some guy's search for the elusive Nessie.

The story of some monster lurking in a Scottish loch has fascinated generations of people - but what's the truth behind the legend?

Is there such a thing as Nessie? If so, what exactly could the Loch Ness Monster really be?

C J (C J), Sunday, 27 July 2003 11:56 (twenty years ago) link

I think the Loch Ness monster is one of the least intriguing mythical beasts.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 27 July 2003 11:58 (twenty years ago) link

No

Calz (Calz), Sunday, 27 July 2003 12:49 (twenty years ago) link

Don't you think there might be some kind of giant eel lurking there though? I'd like to think there was a grain of truth in the story somewhere.

Here's the Loch Ness webcam. It doesn't look very exciting, does it?


http://www.camvista.com/scotland/highlands/ness01.php3

C J (C J), Sunday, 27 July 2003 14:53 (twenty years ago) link

My uncle's seen it. He was on telly and everything. So therefore I believe it because my uncle is not a mentalist.

btw I love the views around Loch Ness. Keep looking at the webcam periodically and maybe the weather will improve and you will see how beautiful it is.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 27 July 2003 15:40 (twenty years ago) link

yes . . . in my pants, though it still cryptozoolgically hasn't been verified.

Bosse-De-Nage (Bosse-De-Nage), Sunday, 27 July 2003 15:44 (twenty years ago) link

Of course it doesn't exist. And I am not going to watch the programme, as it will be a laod of idiots getting worked up about nothing.

thoth (Jake Proudlock), Sunday, 27 July 2003 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

I'm with N., the Loch Ness monster isn't that interesting. Same with Bigfoot - I've seen hairy guys before, what's the difference?

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 27 July 2003 15:54 (twenty years ago) link

Harry and the Hendersons is one of my favourite programmes ever.

C J (C J), Sunday, 27 July 2003 16:00 (twenty years ago) link

What exactly did your uncle see, ailsa? Please tell whole story!

C J (C J), Sunday, 27 July 2003 16:01 (twenty years ago) link

I'm just interested in it because it's only a few miles from where I grew up , and because I know someone who has seem something. I have a personal kind of association with the stuff surrounding it, but have no problem whatsoever with those who think it's a great big marketing ploy spun out for what it's worth every year by tourism chiefs desperate for the publicity (as, let's face it, it is a godsend for the Highland tourist trail.)

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C J, he was driving past saw ripples and something going underwater out from the shore near Urquhart Castle. My cousins were only wee at the time, so no-one else in the car can verify it, but he really isn't the kind of guy who could begin to imagine making this up. We have relatives the other end of Loch Ness so he drove down there a lot, and had never seen anything before or since, so I can't think why he would make it up that time. I would ask him the whole story but he's moved to Australia and we're not in touch any more. I'll maybe ask my mum for the details though - I was only about seven or eight at the time.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 27 July 2003 16:07 (twenty years ago) link

as, let's face it, it is a godsend for the Highland tourist trail.

But that's what bugs me. People should go to the Highlands because it's the most beautiful region of Britain, not because of some stupid eel they're not even going to get to see.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 27 July 2003 16:18 (twenty years ago) link

But if an industry has grown up around the legend which provides employment for local people in an area which relies heavily on tourism, can it really be an altogether bad thing?

C J (C J), Sunday, 27 July 2003 16:38 (twenty years ago) link

Yes! I went to the Loch Ness centre when I was kid and it was rubbish. It's putting people off coming back to Scotland.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 27 July 2003 16:41 (twenty years ago) link

I don't quite follow that, N. The Loch Ness story might be the 'hook' which might draw people to visit Scotland in the first place, but I can't see how a rubbish Loch Ness Centre would put people off coming back to Scotland. Get people there once, and they will fall in love with the scenery and the people - no?

C J (C J), Sunday, 27 July 2003 16:56 (twenty years ago) link

I went to the Loch Ness centre when I was kid and it was rubbish. It's putting people off coming back to Scotland.

Remind us again where you moved to?

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 27 July 2003 16:58 (twenty years ago) link

It took me years to get over it. I was all set to move here in 1987.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 27 July 2003 18:01 (twenty years ago) link

People should go to the Highlands because it's the most beautiful region of Britain, not because of some stupid eel they're not even going to get to see.

Quite. The two times I've seen Loch Ness I just marvel at the beauty, not the monster crud. (And I read John Prindle to remember that the hills are starkly beautiful and empty because of the murdering Cumberland and the sheep lords and...)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 27 July 2003 18:07 (twenty years ago) link

It gets better if you go further north, Ned!

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 27 July 2003 18:37 (twenty years ago) link

I did! Not all the way to Caithness, but on the way back from Skye we went well north of Loch Ness to come down to Inverness from the north. Some spectacular views.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 27 July 2003 18:51 (twenty years ago) link

i only got as far as inverness (ran out of time, had to go back south). but loch ness is indeed lovely ... and i didn't think the loch ness "museum" was all that tacky, it was actually kind of interesting.

Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 27 July 2003 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

I've just finished watching that programme. It was the most patronising, dumbed-down bit of "investigative journalism" I have seen for quite some time. The guy kept contradicting himself, e.g. stating that it had never been sighted out of the water, then mentioned some chap who had seem something lumbering across the road. He also claimed no-one had ever seen it prior to the release of King Kong when there have been sightings for years. In fact St Columba claimed to have seen it in about 6 AD (my dates may be slightly out here - I'm going from memory of a book I read about 15 years ago).

Standard of journalism - they mocked up pulling out the plug and draining Loch Ness as conclusive proof that there are no caves for it to hide in...

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 27 July 2003 19:10 (twenty years ago) link

I saw some of it too, and hated the thought of impressionable kids seeing it and going Dad dad look there is a monster! And their dad having to explain to them that the BBC's blown it's budget on a shedload of shit CGI.

Oh no, hang on, that thought amuses me.

The programme was still shit though, particularly where he imagined the drained loch ness filling back up and the presenters escape in a handy helicopter, the worst part was his thumbs-up afterwards and everyone at Casa Coastaltown complained BUT THAT DIDN'T ACTUALLY HAPPEN

Matt (Matt), Sunday, 27 July 2003 20:37 (twenty years ago) link

I don't think the loch ness monster exists, but i wish it did. Yet again, nothing i've read here makes me want to go out & buy a telly.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 27 July 2003 21:59 (twenty years ago) link

Until they can explain how a flock (or whatever) of the things exist there, then it'll always be missing something, like mainly, how on earth can the same one thing exist?

I read a grebt theory about a secret underground river between the Jura mountains and Loch Ness, which has nessie as an impish little monster creating tourism in two countries. Marvellously mentalist.

Seriously, isn't Loch ness the Baikal of western europe in terms of being really really, deep?

Dave B (daveb), Sunday, 27 July 2003 22:10 (twenty years ago) link

What about those giant squids that they've only ever found carcasses of? they're pretty cool.

Nellie (nellskies), Monday, 28 July 2003 06:44 (twenty years ago) link

That programme was similar to a scientific study into why Santa Claus doesn't exist. Pointless and mean spirited.

mms (mms), Monday, 28 July 2003 08:14 (twenty years ago) link

Santa Claus doesn't exist??

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 28 July 2003 08:16 (twenty years ago) link

When I was in Barcelona there was a great story on CNN about a colossal unidentifiable lump of flesh which had been washed up on a Chilean beach and which seemed to be some kind of freakish two-tentacled octopoid thing. But there was never any follow-up.

I would be so disappointed if the Loch Ness Monster turned out to exist and be an eel.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 28 July 2003 08:52 (twenty years ago) link

There was a follow up, Tom. Tests revealed it was just a decaying old sperm whale.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:07 (twenty years ago) link

:(

Tom (Groke), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:07 (twenty years ago) link

That report ends with the phrase 'sperm fluid'. Who says 'sperm fluid'?

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:13 (twenty years ago) link

I was just about to say that! (about the use of the phrase, I wasn't just gonna say "sperm fluid", obv...)

smee (smee), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:14 (twenty years ago) link

He also claimed no-one had ever seen it prior to the release of King Kong when there have been sightings for years. In fact St Columba claimed to have seen it in about 6 AD

A pedant writes: St. Columba is supposed to have thwacked a monster in the River Ness, not the loch. I would supply more details, but my copy of The Life Of Saint Columba is at home right now and I'm not.

(and it would have been in the 6th Century AD - he died in 597.)

caitlin (caitlin), Monday, 28 July 2003 11:40 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.tim-roth.com/images/robroy8.jpg

Dada, Monday, 28 July 2003 14:58 (twenty years ago) link

What about those giant squids that they've only ever found carcasses of? they're pretty cool.

I think they live in the ocean only.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:03 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
Elephants!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 05:34 (eighteen years ago) link

is there any evidence the circus elephants actually bathed in loch ness? this sounds awfully like the air force claiming the roswell aliens were dummies, trying to explain something that was mostly rumor and hearsay anyway.

latebloomer: keeping his reputation for an intense on-set presence (latebloomer), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 06:01 (eighteen years ago) link

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41408000/jpg/_41408590_elephant_nessie203.jpg

which is all very nice, but is that part above the water actually an alleged sighting?

StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 07:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, "Nessie" sounds way too sissy for such a majestic, tusk carrying animal. What about "Neddie" ?

StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 07:11 (eighteen years ago) link

loch ness or not, does anyone else find the idea of elephants dog-paddling for longer than about 20 seconds among the most absolutely mind-boggling things they've ever heard of?

mitya is really tired of making up names, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 10:21 (eighteen years ago) link

That elephant thing isn't a new theory by any means.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 10:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Apparently, Circus elephants are great swimmers.

What makes them so great, I dunno.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 10:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Peanuts.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 10:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Nessie
http://www.colossusblog.com/mt/archives/images/nessie.jpg

and elephant swimmming
http://www.expert-eyes.org/images/swim.jpg

Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Watch out, there's elephants in here, we close our eyes, and then they... TURN INTO THE LOCH NESS MONSTER!!!AARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Ye'll ne'er find me. I'm way too canny for youse folks.

Nessie, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Watch out, Nessie, they can look up your IP!

StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Loch Ness - confess your terror of the deep
Loch Ness - distress malingers what you keep

I do have a bit of the problem with the second line of this lyric from the last Judas Priest album. It just makes me laugh, and not in a good way. Other than that, I like the song. Anyway.

ratty, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:14 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.colossusblog.com/mt/archives/images/nessie.jpg

that indeed looks like an elephant swimming, but is this pic an actual alleged photo taken from loch ness?

latebloomer: keeping his reputation for an intense on-set presence (latebloomer), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Watch out, Nessie, they can look up your IP!

-- StanM (Stan10...), March 8th, 2006.

Nessie's posting...from INSIDE THE HOUSE!

latebloomer: keeping his reputation for an intense on-set presence (latebloomer), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

He's on wireless broadband.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link

it doesnt really matter though because he still owes me tree fiddy

latebloomer: keeping his reputation for an intense on-set presence (latebloomer), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link

that indeed looks like an elephant swimming, but is this pic an actual alleged photo taken from loch ness?

I think it's one of the Frank Searle ones that was later discredited. I got it from a GIS on "Nessie" and picked the one that looked most like an elephant swimming.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Welcome back, Laonastes! (a recently rediscovered rodent from a family that was believed to have become extinct 11 million years ago)

Warning: contains this sentence: Laotians prefer to savor Laonastes roasted whole and served on a skewer.

StanM (StanM), Sunday, 12 March 2006 10:54 (eighteen years ago) link

(ok ok, this isn't about the Loch Ness monster, but it was a nice contrast: something believed alive/proven untrue vs. something believed dead)

StanM (StanM), Sunday, 12 March 2006 10:56 (eighteen years ago) link

If there were elephants living in Loch Ness that would be far more amazing than a dinosaur. I find it hard to beleive no carcass would have washed ashore by now if there really were loch ness monsters. The Loch Ness monster exists... in our hearts. (WIlford Brimley looks into th ecamera and his eyes moisten self-rightously.)

Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Sunday, 12 March 2006 11:28 (eighteen years ago) link

The elephants weren't living on Loch Ness. There was a travelling circus nearby at the height of the sightings in the early 1930s. The owner of the circus, Bertram Mills, offered a huge reward to anyone catching the monster for his circus, possibly knowing full well that this would get him a lot of publicity yet he would never have to pay out as he had all the "monsters" in captivity.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/07/AR2006030701434.html

Onimo (GerryNemo), Sunday, 12 March 2006 11:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Sure, blame it on the traveling circus, how predictable! Isn't that how the government always sweeps things under the rug! Just like what they did with Dan Quayle.

Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Sunday, 12 March 2006 11:44 (eighteen years ago) link

He was part of a traveling circus too?

StanM (StanM), Sunday, 12 March 2006 12:17 (eighteen years ago) link

you're never gonna find me in the zoo

nessie (ken c), Sunday, 12 March 2006 12:28 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

N. so funny upthread, about the tourist centre delaying his return to Scotland for a decade.

the pinefox, Friday, 27 June 2008 12:13 (fifteen years ago) link

seven years pass...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/17/world/loch-ness-monster-catfish-irpt/

some longtime obsessive is now saying the monster is likely a species of giant catfish native to spain and eastern europe but "caught all over the world" (allegedly). sounds like a false flag to me

Treeship, Sunday, 19 July 2015 05:30 (eight years ago) link

If the Loch Ness monster breathed air, it seems like it would need to emerge above water at least every 10 or 12 minutes, around the clock, and thus would be sighted fairly often. If it breathes through gills, then why on earth would it swim around with its head above the water, as it is often pictured?

Aimless, Sunday, 19 July 2015 15:59 (eight years ago) link

Good question! You may have just busted this myth. Busted it wide open.

wins, Sunday, 19 July 2015 16:03 (eight years ago) link

two years pass...

This is pretty mindblowing, tbh:

Loch Ness is the second largest Scottish loch by surface area at 56 km2 (22 sq mi) after Loch Lomond, but due to its great depth, it is the largest by volume in the British Isles... It contains more fresh water than all the lakes in England and Wales combined

weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Friday, 4 August 2017 11:43 (six years ago) link

When global warming kicks in Drumnadrochit will be like the Yukon.

weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Friday, 4 August 2017 11:48 (six years ago) link

Was going to say wintering circus. But I see the elephant theory is already being talked about upthread.

Stevolende, Friday, 4 August 2017 14:05 (six years ago) link

the loch ness monster is a total asshole

brimstead, Friday, 4 August 2017 14:43 (six years ago) link

It's the most stupid of all the pre-internet conspiracy theories imo and it says a lot that kits pretty much not survived in the steel beams era

jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Saturday, 5 August 2017 01:09 (six years ago) link

The Loch Ness monster isn't a "conspiracy theory"

It's a dinosaur ghost get your shit right for fuck's sake

The Marmadook (latebloomer), Saturday, 5 August 2017 01:21 (six years ago) link


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