didn't think it worked, tbh. didn't give two face enough time to develop, especially as he was so central to the drama at the end. he just had a tough scene and turned evil.
― What are the benefits of dating a younger guy, better erections? (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:18 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, I thought Dent's transformation to Two-Face was the least credible thing in TDK.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Alongside the idea that Joker had somehow planned it beforehand that he would transform like that.
apart from the flying bat billionaire ninja, i assume. xp
― What are the benefits of dating a younger guy, better erections? (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:21 (fourteen years ago) link
I've found its best not to start thinking too hard into how Joker pulled that complicated scheme together, especially the jailbreak, as it involves holes large enough to drive a semi through. Still love the movie to pieces though.
― Size-zero-brigade-embrace-token-chubby-chops (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:24 (fourteen years ago) link
There's different levels of credibility. Even if it's a fantasy, you have to convince the viewer that what happens is credible within the boundaries of this particular fantasy. Bruce Wayne's transformation in Batman Begins feels believable because so much time and justification is devoted to it. Compared to that, Dent's transformation in TDK feels rushed and random, not quite as believable.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:26 (fourteen years ago) link
(x-post)
joker jailbreak the big one. but yeah it's still great stuff.
― What are the benefits of dating a younger guy, better erections? (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:29 (fourteen years ago) link
Dent's transformation into Two-Face is being wholly overblown by ppl familiar with the comic books IMO; all he was was a pissed-off dude with a burned face who was exacting vengeance on the ppl he thought were responsible for his fiancee's death.
― so says i tranny ben franklin (HI DERE), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:32 (fourteen years ago) link
That's true, it wasn't as if he immediately became this "Two Face" personality.
― Size-zero-brigade-embrace-token-chubby-chops (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:33 (fourteen years ago) link
He did start throwing the coin and thinking justice is random, didn't he? Also, Joker's plan seemed to depend on Dent becoming crazy in a way that would taint his former reputation, which means Joker is helluva planner.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:39 (fourteen years ago) link
when is joker NOT portrayed as a helluva intricate planner to the point of complete ridicness?
― fountain bleaut (s1ocki), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:42 (fourteen years ago) link
Most of the time, at least in comics. Being crazy prepared is Batman's attribute, not really Joker's.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:44 (fourteen years ago) link
are you talking about the same joker who schemed to become iran's ambassador to the UN so he could gas everyone and yet claim diplomatic immunity
― fountain bleaut (s1ocki), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:46 (fourteen years ago) link
maybe they'd make the riddler another rich high tech playboy dude but instead of an insane vigilante he's a goofball who steals stuff, i'd be into that
― goole, Friday, 24 July 2009 16:24 Bookmark
This could be really cool, and it would be a different twist on the "how good are Gotham's people really" theme - now testing whether their fascination with Batman has more to do with the fact that he fights crime or the fact that he's freaky and exotic. Fabulous, winking, quipping playboy Riddler, while robbing banks and so on, ends up being more popular than Batman!
(Could also take the opportunity to talk about the shit economy, people being fed up with fat cats = guy who robs banks is a kind of folk-heroic Robin Hood.)
Also kind of like the Die Hard 3 idea, just as a way of making the riddles less inexplicable...
The real challenge of course is the pressure to do another "serious" film after #2, but having not so many pressing issues left to cover that fit well under the Bat umbrella. TDK kind of covered most of the really interesting ground, it's gonna be hard not to just descend into the mythos and tell internally interesting but globally uncompelling stories with the characters.
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:47 (fourteen years ago) link
http://nooneknowswhatitslike.ytmnd.com/
Sure this further ruined the song for me and I'll never unhear it, but it's not like I was gonna listen to "Who's Next" again anyway, right?
― Cunga, Saturday, 17 October 2009 04:17 (fourteen years ago) link
what a disaster for the who
― well pull down my pants and call me swamp thing (latebloomer), Saturday, 17 October 2009 04:20 (fourteen years ago) link
and what a coup for internet memes.
― Cunga, Saturday, 17 October 2009 06:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Hardly any real detail here but:
While Nolan completes that Leonardo DiCaprio-starrer for a July 16th release, he's also hatched an idea for Warner Bros' third Batman installment. Now his brother and frequent collaborator Jonah Nolan, and David Goyer who co-wrote Batman Begins and penned the story for The Dark Knight, are off scripting it.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 16:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Still hoping for Riddler or Anarky, would accept Solomon Grundy or Victor Zsasz (maybe Mad Hatter or Clayface)
― PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 16:45 (fourteen years ago) link
pretty sure that nolan's batman deserves a day-lewis villain
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 16:57 (fourteen years ago) link
haha playing arkham asylum has made me totally ok w/riddler being the main dude. actually i'll even take harley quinn as an option.
if i have to watch gyllenhal in a catsuit act poorly i will be very angry
― SMALL BONES, SMALL BODIES (jjjusten), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:00 (fourteen years ago) link
he was planning on a DeLouise villain until last May (xpost)
― some dude, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:00 (fourteen years ago) link
What if it was Jake?
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:01 (fourteen years ago) link
i'll be angry if i have to watch gyllenhaal act poorly in another one of these movies period. stay dead!
― some dude, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Zsasz would be awesome, but I can't imagine a studio going for it. That's next-level dark even for Nolan's franchise.
― El Poopo Loco (Pancakes Hackman), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:02 (fourteen years ago) link
just glanced at the wiki entry for the zsasz character. yikes! that is dark. i guess it would allow the two-villain theme to continue (zsasz and penguin).
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:07 (fourteen years ago) link
Could live with Eckhart having some further involvement; don't get why TwoFace was meant to be any more dead than Batman was after they both fell off the same thing
― MPx4A, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:16 (fourteen years ago) link
twoface obviously in arkham at end of TDK?
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:17 (fourteen years ago) link
haha ok so if they use zsasz, would they have to keep him cast and played by the lead singer of James? because that would be pretty funny.
― SMALL BONES, SMALL BODIES (jjjusten), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:18 (fourteen years ago) link
god I hope so
― PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:19 (fourteen years ago) link
He later breaks out of Arkham to kill the doctor where the other doctor frantically calls her to warn her but is interrupted by Zsasz knocking on the door and the doctor going to answer the door the fate of the doctor in unknown but most likely killed by Zsasz.
great wikipedia moment
― wall•egina (s1ocki), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:23 (fourteen years ago) link
LOL
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link
sounds like a hyperventilating 13-year-old trying to describe his favourite video game
― wall•egina (s1ocki), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:31 (fourteen years ago) link
plz let that be repruposed into actual dialog in the movie
― PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:34 (fourteen years ago) link
narration
― wall•egina (s1ocki), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:38 (fourteen years ago) link
in scary batman voice
someone explain to me why nolan has an english accent and his brother an american accent.
― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:39 (fourteen years ago) link
pretension
― PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:39 (fourteen years ago) link
not all twins are identical
― wall•egina (s1ocki), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:40 (fourteen years ago) link
also sorry but whole batman movie thing is so fucking boring. character is dead.
― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:40 (fourteen years ago) link
http://daisyfae.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/youre-totally-shitting-me.jpg
YOU DID NOT
― wall•egina (s1ocki), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link
― MPx4A, Tuesday, February 9, 2010 12:16 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
whether you think it made sense or not, the movie was pretty unambiguous about Dent being dead at the end
― some dude, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:42 (fourteen years ago) link
i did like the prestige though.
the dark knight had a fuckton of plot holes.
― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:43 (fourteen years ago) link
also hate phrase "the dark knight"
batman should be retired for a few decades like captain marvel or something
― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:44 (fourteen years ago) link
u just hate it because u want it for yourself xp
― wall•egina (s1ocki), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:44 (fourteen years ago) link
and then the one guy was talking about batman to the other guy but then a third guy he was just like "batman is fucking boring. character is dead" and the first guy his head just exploded with the information it was terribly tragic he was dressed so nicely too
― Lamp, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:44 (fourteen years ago) link
I think they should kill off Batman and replace him with a robot Batman and an alien Batman and Batman Jr and the first black Batman.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link
it's a shame those ray-bans didn't survive the impact
― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link