2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

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whether it's toughness or just monomaniacal fixation is a matter of opinion, i guess, but omg, who can walk out into a crescendo of booing hostility and not acknowledge it at all? rigid smile, cute little wave, back straight... pageant people are ruthless, i hear.

for a second i tried to imagine the scene if barack obama dropped the green flag at talladega, but then, that would be a really stupid thing to do, wouldn't it?

what were they thinking? why send her to philadelphia at all?

goole, Sunday, 12 October 2008 00:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Because it is in Pennsylvania.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 12 October 2008 00:38 (sixteen years ago) link

not the pennsylvania they're going to get!

goole, Sunday, 12 October 2008 00:39 (sixteen years ago) link

although tv yeah yeah of course.

goole, Sunday, 12 October 2008 00:39 (sixteen years ago) link

there is no pennsylvania theyre going to get

joseph sixpack (ice crӕm), Sunday, 12 October 2008 00:41 (sixteen years ago) link

She would probably have had better luck at a Penguins game.

Mordy, Sunday, 12 October 2008 00:53 (sixteen years ago) link

this thread crashed my iphone!

Joe Pinot (rockapads), Sunday, 12 October 2008 01:12 (sixteen years ago) link

regarding the flyerz: don't forget that stadiums can crank in cheering noise /tinfoilhat

Every Day Jimmy Mod Is Hustlin' (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 12 October 2008 01:29 (sixteen years ago) link

"The only way John is going to salvage the election at this point is if he does something drastic: if I were him I'd pledge that I was only going to serve one term, that I would put all my focus on fixing the economy and not worry about making hard decisions for the sake of reelection. Americans might see right through it as another hail mary, but I think it's the only shot he's got left."

Republican strategist on CNN

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 12 October 2008 01:36 (sixteen years ago) link

you can't vote me out of office, i quit!

ILX MOD (musically), Sunday, 12 October 2008 01:51 (sixteen years ago) link

all the palin fans would cream their jeans if mccain did that. SQUEEEEEEEEEE.

goole, Sunday, 12 October 2008 02:12 (sixteen years ago) link

right now matt drudge and a lawyer friend of his are smashing up their own rental car outside of a motel in bumfuck and shouting at the appalled bystanders "YOU PEOPLE KILLED JESUS!! AND YOU VOTED FOR MITT ROMNEY!!"

TOMBOT, Sunday, 12 October 2008 02:41 (sixteen years ago) link

FEARMONGERING AND OIL HABIT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL 04

TOMBOT, Sunday, 12 October 2008 02:42 (sixteen years ago) link

i did that w/a friend once xp

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 12 October 2008 02:47 (sixteen years ago) link

oh yeah, they're booing. Just something so right about the sound of a hockey crowd booing, which is why you have a button for it on the table hockey games:

http://www.anzai.com/pics/eric%20table%20hockey.jpg

the RHETERIC (kingfish), Sunday, 12 October 2008 02:48 (sixteen years ago) link

really?!

○◙i shine cuz i genital grind◙○ (roxymuzak), Sunday, 12 October 2008 03:16 (sixteen years ago) link

John Rogers had this comment, when talking about guys like Rich Lowry jizzing over the winking thing:

Modern American Conservatives have sunk to the intellectual and emotional level of the guy who thinks the stripper really likes him...

the RHETERIC (kingfish), Sunday, 12 October 2008 03:30 (sixteen years ago) link

guys like Rich Lowry jizzing

why would you put this into my head

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 12 October 2008 03:31 (sixteen years ago) link

why

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 12 October 2008 03:31 (sixteen years ago) link

because it look intersting

I'm the wire monkey, not the soft monkey (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 12 October 2008 03:37 (sixteen years ago) link

It's so impossible to understand conservatives.

I wish I could remember which radio show I was listening to that was talking about a study they did with self-described conservatives... if you tell them a thing that they like, for instance that cutting taxes increases revenue, something like 30% of them say they believe it at face value. But if you provide evidence to the contrary, say from every economist and statistician on the planet, including people who work for Bush, they suddenly become more than twice as likely to believe it.

I think Tom has it right, it's all about that cave that they are right at this very moment alive in.

crusty but benign (kenan), Sunday, 12 October 2008 06:01 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/11/politics/fromtheroad/entry4515246.shtml

After Palin finished her remarks this morning, the man holding the stuffed monkey seemed to notice that a video camera was pointed at him, at which point he removed the Obama sticker from the doll’s head and crumpling it up in his hand. He then handed the doll to a young boy who was watching the rally from his father’s shoulders. The boy’s parents later told CBS News that they weren’t acquainted with the man who gave their son the stuffed monkey.

eman, Sunday, 12 October 2008 06:33 (sixteen years ago) link

eman, Sunday, 12 October 2008 06:35 (sixteen years ago) link

"Takes offense at obama running for president"?

the RHETERIC (kingfish), Sunday, 12 October 2008 06:39 (sixteen years ago) link

i was talking to a friend tonight baout things and, basically how i see is that there's nothing left to do but win. none of these crazy racist fuckheads are susceptible to reason, there's no argument left to be made, there's no more minds to change, they just have to lose and that's it.

goole, Sunday, 12 October 2008 06:40 (sixteen years ago) link

that's kind of a content-free statement now that i look at it

goole, Sunday, 12 October 2008 06:43 (sixteen years ago) link

still, it would be better to get as many people as possible to cross over beforehand and of their own volition so that they won't feel like embittered axe-to-grind losers afterwards, and obama is still converting people. the crazy racists might not be susceptible to reason, but the more benignly traditional/atavistic could be swayed simply by not wanting to be on a team that's performing embarrassingly badly while the other side is happily victorious. for people at the margin of the conservative movement, that, i think, might be overwhelm policy distinctions, or even occasional departures in "values" which might be long-held but latently and in an unexamined way. like the sheer positivity and amiable self-assurance of the obama campaign will continue to draw people off as the two sides continue to go their starkly different ways.

dream city (negotiable), Sunday, 12 October 2008 07:32 (sixteen years ago) link

What is it about troglodyte racists and parking lots?

jane hussein lane (suzy), Sunday, 12 October 2008 07:35 (sixteen years ago) link

dream city (negotiable), Sunday, 12 October 2008 07:37 (sixteen years ago) link

I still don't really accept that being 'conservative' is the same as being an insane rural right-winger. Many of us are conservative about a great many things, and always will be. It's not the 'conservatism' that's bad about people who are called political conservatives. It's the rancour and rampaging radicalism.

In my country that includes eg wanting to break up / sell off / marketize the health service and the BBC. In the US it includes eg overturning laws allowing abortion, possibly even shooting health workers who enact those laws; or wanting to send hundreds of thousands of young men abroad to occupy distant countries and remake the world map. These are not 'conservative' things to do.

As I said above I realize that this may be making too much of a banal distinction between small and big C conservatism. I guess I only keep saying it because people keep saying 'this is the conservative mindset'.

the pinefox, Sunday, 12 October 2008 09:25 (sixteen years ago) link

well done.

the pinefox, Sunday, 12 October 2008 13:03 (sixteen years ago) link

erm, doesn't the long-drawn out saga if the 200 election, the ballot fraud, and the supreme court denouement pretty much invalidate anything such graphs have to tell us?

The Atlantis Mystery Solved! (Frogman Henry), Sunday, 12 October 2008 13:24 (sixteen years ago) link

*of the 2000 election

The Atlantis Mystery Solved! (Frogman Henry), Sunday, 12 October 2008 13:24 (sixteen years ago) link

i think the point pinefox is trying to make is that he thinks the same 'stolen election' stuff could happen again. I think it's doubtful because mccain has no trajectory and I doubt it's going to be close like that again. Plus, if it happened, expect a civil war this time.

akm, Sunday, 12 October 2008 13:31 (sixteen years ago) link

This oughta be fun:

John McCain to Visit CBS' 'LATE SHOW with DAVID LETTERMAN,' Thursday, Oct. 16

PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ --

2008 Republican Presidential nominee Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) will visit the LATE SHOW with DAVID LETTERMAN, Thursday, Oct. 16 (11:35 PM-12:37 AM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.
This will mark Sen. McCain's first return to LATE SHOW since canceling his appearance on Sept. 24. His 13th visit to the program, it will also mark Sen. McCain's first LATE SHOW appearance since formally accepting his party's nomination at the Republican National Convention in Minneapolis-St. Paul, Minn. on Thursday, Sept. 4. He announced his candidacy for President on the LATE SHOW on Feb. 28, 2007.
In the 2008 race for the White House, the LATE SHOW also hosted Democratic Presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama, who visited the broadcast on Wednesday, Sept. 10.
Also on the LATE SHOW Thursday, Oct. 16 will be musical guest Ne-Yo.

I hope they duet.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 12 October 2008 13:59 (sixteen years ago) link

He announced his candidacy for President on the LATE SHOW on Feb. 28, 2007.

Maybe he'll take this opportunity to step down.

TOMBOT, Sunday, 12 October 2008 14:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Fearful symmetry

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 12 October 2008 14:30 (sixteen years ago) link

he can afford to let somebody else crash this one into the ground, his reputation seems secure in that regard.

TOMBOT, Sunday, 12 October 2008 14:31 (sixteen years ago) link

When a cofounder of RedState can't even vote for John McCain...

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 12 October 2008 15:52 (sixteen years ago) link

the fact that mccain's campaign sent her to philly to drop the puck is maybe the most telling little detail in just how clueless they are

M@tt He1ges0n, Sunday, 12 October 2008 16:44 (sixteen years ago) link

http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/3/10/6/f_dztob9m_ebd5461.gif

M@tt He1ges0n, Sunday, 12 October 2008 17:03 (sixteen years ago) link

biden really does look like he's about to spit in his empty Dew bottle there

El Tomboto, Sunday, 12 October 2008 17:14 (sixteen years ago) link

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/9061/racistbf5.png

STINKING CORPSE (cozwn), Sunday, 12 October 2008 17:43 (sixteen years ago) link

Years from now, future readers of this thread are going to think, Boy, they sure did like to post that pussy .gif.

☑ (Pleasant Plains), Sunday, 12 October 2008 17:47 (sixteen years ago) link

i can't even load this whole thread anymore

M@tt He1ges0n, Sunday, 12 October 2008 17:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Reading a (Dutch) article that focussed not on the differences but the things McCain and Obama have in common, raised a question. The article states both Obama and McCain oppose gay marriage (this alone came as a shock to me, I thought Obama was at least 'mildly' in favor of gay marriage). I was surprised, but found this to be true and could verify it with the help of lots of newspaper articles on the internet.

Seeing the above posted sign by Cozen stresses this even more, why is Obama not in favor of a full same sex marriage? Doesn't it go well with other Dems? (and if not, WTF?) Is he affraid it will cost him votes? (and again, if so, WTF?)

Learning about his stance on gay marriage (Obama won't go further then some sort of contract, right?) is my first major dissapointment with him.

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 12 October 2008 17:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Open this thread completely and you'll see every kind of argument for/against Obama's stance.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 12 October 2008 17:58 (sixteen years ago) link


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