2008 Primaries Thread

somerby has documented rich's devotion to clinton rules over the years, if you want to put yourself through the agony

pretty sure clinton didn't do jack about voting rights besides the license plates, but I think that's partially b/c the issue is mostly congress's deal anyway.

lol those license plates are the best tho

yeah you can't get any other license plate now in dc but that one

This business of not counting all of the votes in Washington can only help Huckabee and Paul, eh?

yeah, dc plates are great, I have them. They didn't do that until 2000 actually, Clinton specifically had them switched right before he left office. It was "Celebrate and Discover" before that. boring

we had a "free dc: no taxation w/o representation" poster in the window of my group house during college, our landlord was pissed about for one reason or another

I think that's partially b/c the issue is mostly congress's deal anyway.

Not sure re: DC voting rights in the 90's.. the GOP was in control most of that time.

yea that's what i was kinda thinking

nice montage of the delegate counts at the start lol no one knows whos winning

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uYmSEDQGvc

The Corner cites a "longtime GOP D.C. insider":

"What our folks need to understand is this is heading to an easy win for us — with a pick up of the House to boot. The Democrats are self-destructing. If they go to convention even roughly tied, have a floor fight over Michigan and Florida and then Hillary steals the nomination with the super-delegates, it'll be worse than 1968. It will be their doom."

which is one reason among many that that scenario will never happen

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/11211/thumbs/r-CLINTONDOWNPLAYS-large.jpg

HI DERE WAHT U DOIN!

I don't discount the possibility of a major disaster at the convention.

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i don't discount the possibility of a major disaster driving votes to HRC any time between now and then

i think dean has already talked about sitting down w/both obama and clinton to prevent convention disaster

"OK guys, now we don't want a disaster at the convention, so I'm just gonna have to ask one of you to be the bigger person and stand down."

i discount the possibility of major disasters in general

which can tend to engender wrongness on my part

"First one to the tree and back is the nominee. GO!"

but still i do think if it we get to the convention w/o a winner there will be an agreement for the superdelegates to go to the leader

I'm not really buying the convention disaster talk. I guess Bill O'Reilly is suggesting there might be riots if Obama doesn't win the nom (thatsracist.gif).

Though you must wonder what was the point of creating the super-delegates if their power can never be used.

it will not be "worse" than 1968 because there will not be hundreds of young people physically attacking police

exactly!

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I guess Bill O'Reilly is suggesting there might be riots if Obama doesn't win the nom (thatsracist.gif).

black people wont riot in denver because there arent any black people in denver

hundreds of young people physically attacking police

OH COME ON MAN WTF

i'm fully willing to vote for Hillary in the general, but if she gets the nom through some legalistic bullshit seating MI and FL, or through tipping the superdelegates even tho O is ahead otherwise, no dice. i think these are both distinct possibilities.

that seems like some weird thinking to me.

The superdelegates are going to tip things either way, yes? the whole thing could be such a clusterfuck.. the delegate totals for both candidates aren't even clear right now

jhøshea are you saying that didn't happen?? that was part of the whole strategy

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/IMG/chauncey_billups-arton20870-240x240.jpg
hey man im from denver wtf

lol, Donna Brazile: "No one wants to see us in spandex."

im saying it was the police beating up the young people is all - tell me ur just mocking the slime of the day

how so? i'm already pretty turned off by a number of things in her campaign, but like i said, i'll pull a lever for her over john mccain. but if she 'wins' the nom over my preferred candidate, not by actually getting out there and getting more voter support, but by either changing agreed-upon rules after the fact, or by leaning on the most back-room and undemocratic mechanism in the whole show, may be enough for me to tell her to fuck herself. metaphorically.

if she just straight up beats Obama, no problem, that's life.

xps

HILLARY WINS NOMINATION, CHAUNCEY BILLUPS RIOTS

This business of not counting all of the votes in Washington can only help Huckabee and Pauljust fuck up the Washington state GOP's chances on any state level this year, eh?

So gff, would you refuse to vote for Obama on principle if Clinton ended up with a lead in the pledged delegates but the superdelegates swung the nomination to him?

CHAUNCEY BILLUPS HITS THREE AS TIME EXPIRES TO SEAL NOMINATION FOR OBAMA

lets make chauncey a superdelegate

Bahaha, like cops these days care if protestors throw a punch before the gassing and clubbing begins.

An Edwards aide confirms to me that his meeting with Obama, which was schedule for today and was expected to focus on the possibility of an endorsement, has been canceled.

"The two of them have had a number of conversations in recent weeks and will continue to do so, but there is no meeting today," the aide says.

It's unclear as yet why it was canceled or whether it was rescheduled. Edwards met with Hillary on Thursday.

Speaking of, did Gabbneb ever confirm that his real name is Chauncey?

well yeah the police were beating up people in their hotel rooms and all kinds of horrible shit and most protestors were entirely peaceful but there were factions of sds committed to violently attacking the police as a deliberate strategy, they never denied this and were pretty proud of it -- in october of that year they got about 8000 people (many fewer than they had hoped) into chicago to attack the police again

thinking that the conventions protests were all about a bunch of peace-n-love hippies getting trounced by sweaty policemen fundamentally misunderstands the direction sds was taking at the time, which was deliberate violence against what they saw as the shock troops of imperialism, i.e. "the pigs"

i point this out just to remind ourselves how different that era was to this one and how ridiculous it is to make comparisons between the two -- then, you had thousands of white youth actively pursuing a working alliance with the black panther party to bring down the government of the united states

ilx.xls corrupted?

valid points tracer - still most of the violence was cop on hippie

nate i'd have to think about it! like i said, HRC is already running on a big 'affection defecit' w/ me. but that scenario seems unlikely -- the superdelegates going against the overall voting picture seems unlikely to me, either way, come to think, but what do i know, i'm not a big DNC muckety muck. it's the MI/FL situation that pisses me off the most, tbh

well yeah, mot of the violence in iraq is america-on-iraqi but that doesn't mean there aren't iraqis engaging in armed struggle in order to provoke, inflame, polarize, and in general tie america down in quicksand

okay, so i guess that the number of delegates at stake in each congressional district is partly determined by the number of Democratic voters in that district during the last general election and NOT strictly by the total population in that districts. in short: traditionally democratic outposts are richer in delegates. make of that what you will as you gaze into your tea leaves.

Also the cops beat a bunch of peaceful protestors in NYC right before the Chicago convention. Also, fuck cops.

speaking as a white student, im actively pursuing an alliance with beer and chicks

Tracer's real name is DALEY