2008 Primaries Thread

def shuster was sacrificed for mathews sins

Hmm.. I suspect Krugman thinks Obama's more.. a centrist leaning right on the economy whose advisors have all faith in the markets to solve everything, so they have philosophical differences.

i think dems are way too soft too - but that doesnt mean i disagree w/obama.

its weak to believe fighting is the only way to show or leverage strength.

As opposed to Hillary, who's... a centrist leaning right on the economy whose advisors have all faith in the markets to solve everything

Yeah, Schuster was, I agree. He'll be back soon enough I'm sure (I hope so, I'm not a fan but he's no worse than any of the rest of them). I get why, though, there is a pattern on that network and once a comment is made that's pretty much indefensible, then you make your case.

He seems to forget that Bill Clinton was a centrist leaning right.

yah i dunno daria - this ongoing assault speaks to more than just a few "philosophical differences".

Hillary calls for DC voting rights

serious question: i think i remember bill having the "no taxation for representation" license plate on his secret-service vehicles when he was president - did he or hillary try to do anything about DC voting rights during the 90s?

and shuster is actually better than the most of the rest of them - ie hes actually done a lot of real reporting abt like real stuff - prob just out of his element filling in for tucker trying on the pundit costume.

I thought Krugman was an Edwards fan ultimately..

obama allegedly meeting with edwards later today; hillary met with him thursday

yah i dunno daria - this ongoing assault speaks to more than just a few "philosophical differences".

Well, it must be somewhat lonely to be one of the few Clinton-backers on the Times columnist staff: most of the other liberal and even the conservative columnists (such as Kristol and Brooks) have lined up in Obama's camp. His criticisms of Obama are no more shrill than their attacks on Clinton have been.

Not sure re: DC voting rights in the 90's.. the GOP was in control most of that time. I didn't move here until 99 myself.

Frank Rich on Sunday was the worst thing I've read in a while. Did the Clintons shoot his dog or something?

yah maybe its all just times editorial page crazylanditis

somerby has documented rich's devotion to clinton rules over the years, if you want to put yourself through the agony

pretty sure clinton didn't do jack about voting rights besides the license plates, but I think that's partially b/c the issue is mostly congress's deal anyway.

lol those license plates are the best tho

yeah you can't get any other license plate now in dc but that one

This business of not counting all of the votes in Washington can only help Huckabee and Paul, eh?

yeah, dc plates are great, I have them. They didn't do that until 2000 actually, Clinton specifically had them switched right before he left office. It was "Celebrate and Discover" before that. boring

we had a "free dc: no taxation w/o representation" poster in the window of my group house during college, our landlord was pissed about for one reason or another

I think that's partially b/c the issue is mostly congress's deal anyway.

Not sure re: DC voting rights in the 90's.. the GOP was in control most of that time.

yea that's what i was kinda thinking

nice montage of the delegate counts at the start lol no one knows whos winning

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uYmSEDQGvc

The Corner cites a "longtime GOP D.C. insider":

"What our folks need to understand is this is heading to an easy win for us — with a pick up of the House to boot. The Democrats are self-destructing. If they go to convention even roughly tied, have a floor fight over Michigan and Florida and then Hillary steals the nomination with the super-delegates, it'll be worse than 1968. It will be their doom."

which is one reason among many that that scenario will never happen

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/11211/thumbs/r-CLINTONDOWNPLAYS-large.jpg

HI DERE WAHT U DOIN!

I don't discount the possibility of a major disaster at the convention.

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i don't discount the possibility of a major disaster driving votes to HRC any time between now and then

i think dean has already talked about sitting down w/both obama and clinton to prevent convention disaster

"OK guys, now we don't want a disaster at the convention, so I'm just gonna have to ask one of you to be the bigger person and stand down."

i discount the possibility of major disasters in general

which can tend to engender wrongness on my part

"First one to the tree and back is the nominee. GO!"

but still i do think if it we get to the convention w/o a winner there will be an agreement for the superdelegates to go to the leader

I'm not really buying the convention disaster talk. I guess Bill O'Reilly is suggesting there might be riots if Obama doesn't win the nom (thatsracist.gif).

Though you must wonder what was the point of creating the super-delegates if their power can never be used.

it will not be "worse" than 1968 because there will not be hundreds of young people physically attacking police

exactly!

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I guess Bill O'Reilly is suggesting there might be riots if Obama doesn't win the nom (thatsracist.gif).

black people wont riot in denver because there arent any black people in denver

hundreds of young people physically attacking police

OH COME ON MAN WTF

i'm fully willing to vote for Hillary in the general, but if she gets the nom through some legalistic bullshit seating MI and FL, or through tipping the superdelegates even tho O is ahead otherwise, no dice. i think these are both distinct possibilities.

that seems like some weird thinking to me.

The superdelegates are going to tip things either way, yes? the whole thing could be such a clusterfuck.. the delegate totals for both candidates aren't even clear right now

jhøshea are you saying that didn't happen?? that was part of the whole strategy

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/IMG/chauncey_billups-arton20870-240x240.jpg
hey man im from denver wtf

lol, Donna Brazile: "No one wants to see us in spandex."

im saying it was the police beating up the young people is all - tell me ur just mocking the slime of the day

how so? i'm already pretty turned off by a number of things in her campaign, but like i said, i'll pull a lever for her over john mccain. but if she 'wins' the nom over my preferred candidate, not by actually getting out there and getting more voter support, but by either changing agreed-upon rules after the fact, or by leaning on the most back-room and undemocratic mechanism in the whole show, may be enough for me to tell her to fuck herself. metaphorically.

if she just straight up beats Obama, no problem, that's life.

xps

HILLARY WINS NOMINATION, CHAUNCEY BILLUPS RIOTS

This business of not counting all of the votes in Washington can only help Huckabee and Pauljust fuck up the Washington state GOP's chances on any state level this year, eh?