Food Wars: Mexican Food v. Italian Food

I think I agree with everything joygoat said. But am abstaining because of the extreme difficulty of tasting good Mexican food in the UK (presumably except for Loldon).

i'm going to Wahaca in the week. i had a burrito from Tortilla earlier.

Based on this thread, about 60% of ILX is genuinely, certifiably insane and should take a long hard look at themselves before lashing out over what goes on a pizza. I say this as an entirely unbiased Mediterranean, of course, but come on.

― One idiot even called me "redcoat" because I'm (country matters), Sunday, August 2, 2009 9:45 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark

based on this post you are an idiot

<3 <3

mexican, because beans

lol i think this thread demands an LJ chill, one internet discussion ain't gonna make italian food any less nice

Even with pizza counting, I choose Mexican.

lj have you even had mexican food? you can only get it in america

Wahaca is great, as is Taqueria on Westbourne Grove. I also had a fab Mexican meal at La Perla on Charlotte Street last week and just down the road from my office I can get a drool-worthy lunchtime burrito that weighs about a kilo.

In short, I can get very very excited about Mexican in a way I can't about Italian. Although that probably has to do with only having fairly cheap shonky Italian meals that do a disservice to that country's cuisine. Real Italian icecream is NOMMMMMMMMMMMM tho.

actual Italian, as opposed to Italo-American pizza is vile

truth bomb

okay vile might be over the top, but italian-style pizza just isn't that interesting

have only really had the fast-foody burrito/taco/quesadilla/whatever stuff, from some pretty authentic and reputable joints, and sure it's nice, and sure if i had a goat's cheese tostada i might cream myself a little, but *sigh* O Italian food. O. O.

goat's cheese tostada

so...you haven't had mexican food have you

it's okay to admit it

his mind is made up

i still voted yh

http://www.aintnosurfintexas.com/zz%20top%20tres%20hombres%20mexican%20feast3%20copy.jpg

http://www.dallasfood.org/photos/mexjefferson/lahechizerajefftlacoyo.jpg

http://www.lataco.com/taco/wp-content/uploads/tlapazola4.jpg

i'm going to Mexico some day

the fact that you guys are talking about a mexican place called WAHACA (as opposed to OAXACA, the real spelling) just shows that britishes can't talk anything about mexican food.

seriously, lj, i don't blame you for voting on ancestry etc etc., but you have no idea what mexican food is. no idea.

I can't believe there is even a question about this. Without a doubt Mexican. MOLE!!!!!!

http://toppayingideas.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/rick-bayless.jpg

italian

Guy I work with from Cali reps for Wahaca, table. Don't be such a priss,

most people from cali are morons, did you know that?

the best thing about mexican food is that you can have it in a HOAGIE

with CHEESE

Italian, but I don't know if I've ever had decent Mexican - Mexican restaurants in London being notoriously shit.

lj have you even had mexican food? you can only get it in america

― blobfish russian (harbl), Sunday, August 2, 2009 3:06 PM Bookmark

I hear you can get it in Mexico, too.

the best thing about mexican food is that you can have it in a HOAGIE

― One idiot even called me "redcoat" because I'm (country matters), Sunday, August 2, 2009 4:04 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

with CHEESE

― One idiot even called me "redcoat" because I'm (country matters), Sunday, August 2, 2009 4:04 PM Bookmark

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lj have you even had italian food? you can only get it in america

― blobfish russian (harbl), Sunday, August 2, 2009 3:06 PM Bookmark

LJ, in mexico and in the US, that is called a TORTA. not hoagie bread, though.

http://nymag.com/images/2/daily/food/07/06/04_sotw_lg.jpg

there's no difference between good flan and bad flan

chorizo con jamon up in this biz

rev ughhhhhh that was a joke

Did not know that most people from California were morons, as all those i've come into contact with have been rather bright. Are their tastebuds moronic too?

whenever I end up with mediocre Italian pasta I don't know what to do but when I end up with mediocre Mexican food I know I can open up a bottle of hot sauce and have a good time

plus Mexican beer is great

maybe they just knew if they didn't spell it that way people would be going around saying they ate at oh-ox-ah-ca

yeah i'm gonna start pronouncing it "Owaksaka" on purpose now

Here's a hint: If it is smothered in ridiculous amounts of queso, it is not Mexican, it is Tex-Mex. Thank you.

Mexican beer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Italian beer

^^^important point

thread turning out about as well as expected

no-- if anything, the hedonism that pervades much of california is downright foodie. look at this map.

http://www.cookingforengineers.com/article/236/Michelin-Rated-Restaurants-San-Francisco-2008

foodies are never morons

plus Mexican beer is great

pretty much my favourite beer these days (knowledge limited obv)

http://www.interstirn.si/files/negra_modelo/negramodelo1.jpg

but i had a dark beer in Venice that was just as good (assuming it was Italian but can't remember the name sadly)

rev ughhhhhh that was a joke

― blobfish russian (harbl), Sunday, August 2, 2009 4:07 PM Bookmark

yeah, I know, but your point that you can't get it in the UK is otm

tex mex owns

true

italo tex is better

the fact that you guys are talking about a mexican place called WAHACA (as opposed to OAXACA, the real spelling) just shows that britishes can't talk anything about mexican food.

lmfao i hadn't even realized this was some dandy transliteration omggggggggggggggggggggg

Italian food is so easy to cook it is a crime to do it badly.

Pretty sure as a kid there was one time I put ketchup on newspaper and called it spaghetti. How would that rate with the Italians?

Idk there is quite a bit of skill & technique in Italian cooking, including some of the most famous dishes. Cacio e pepe and carbonara are both famously tricky to get right consistently.

who the fuck is starting pasta in COLD water

the good people of Hong Kong, who are much more familiar with their own rice-based noodles than with durum-wheat-based pasta

Cheese with seafood is good.

yes, but they don't really complement one another. it's more of an uneasy truce between two good things to eat.

It always strikes me as an arbitrary rule taken up by snobs on Top Chef.

Idk there is quite a bit of skill & technique in Italian cooking, including some of the most famous dishes. Cacio e pepe and carbonara are both famously tricky to get right consistently.

Oh, sure, cacio e pepe being a particular bugbear for me. But there are oh 500 other pasta sauces/dishes you can make that are extremely forgiving.

That's true. I finally wisened up and don't buy any jarred sauce. Yeah you can go all out and make a "Sunday gravy" if you want, but I can make a pretty tasty tomato sauce in 15 minutes with pantry items. And I actually prefer the rawer tomato taste to the one that develops after simmering them for hours.

cacio e pepe isn't so great

Minus the time it takes potatoes to bake ( a "set it and forget it" step), one can make, say, gnocchi alla sorrentina from scratch in 40 minutes. Can't believe it took me til I was in my 40s to realize how quick and relatively simple something like that is to make.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4eaNqTbDDA
The 1st version shown here is best method I've encountered.
You really have to like pepe to enjoy cacio e pepe. But you can use the same concept to make cacio e qualunque.

cacio e pepe is a LIE the italians can keep it
i cant make it correctly no matter how much i try & life is too short to cry over fkn noodles & cheese

*DO NOT TELL ME HOW TO MAKE IT SUCCESSFULLY OR I WILL CUT YOU*

i am personally done w it

I think low effort defines success. It will never deliver on the hype.

I've had great cacio e pepe, just never by my own hand.

But how great really?

Sitting in an alley in Rome it was pretty fucking great. As great as any three ingredient pasta where one of the three ingredients is water. It's super simple, which is what makes it hard.

Sitting in an alley in Rome was the magic 4th ingredient.

(pasta + cheese + water) x (scooters + accordions)

Well, yeah.

I've eaten some delicious cacio e pepe. I've made some miserable pasta wrapped with inedible grey ropes of claggy pecorino.

I'm a dab hand at recreating Roberta's' pizza approximation of Cacio E Pepe, the deathless Cheesus Christ.

Carbonara is American. Most Italians hadn’t heard of pizza until the 1950s. Panettone is a modern invention.

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Fascinating article. I knew I liked carbonara too much for it to be anything other than an American creation, built for filthy American palates.

The chart in the thread is misleading. Carbonara (and Amatriciana) are not Cacio e Pepe with guanicale (and tomato) added.