still crossing my fingers for catwoman. bale's on record saying he wants wayne to knock boots, and I think the sex angle is the only novel place to go post-joker - otherwise it's all just crime bosses with goofy fetishes ("I like cold!" "I like alice in wonderland!")
― da croupier, Saturday, 25 July 2009 18:25 (fourteen years ago) link
i may have posted this on a thread before, but I'd love to have catwoman call out bale's goofy "argh i'm batman" voice and then have him abandon it, as if finally accepting that wayne is the costume and that batman is the real him.
― da croupier, Saturday, 25 July 2009 18:27 (fourteen years ago) link
some other villainy casting ideas i wrote for work a while back
eric roberts didn't actually die, gets really into greek mythology and becomes...maxie zeus!
miley cyrus is a teeage sociopathic joker fan who becomes...harley quinn!
ben foster is a cyberpunk who decides batman is the reason crime bosses are buying funny hats and becomes...anarky!
sly stallone is bane!
― da croupier, Saturday, 25 July 2009 18:30 (fourteen years ago) link
maybe you have one villain be the standard crook and the other one be a vigilante going after Batman for being a menace.
http://www.popculturemadness.com/Entertainment/News/Images/Special.jpg
YES.
― Leee, Saturday, 25 July 2009 18:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Pretty cool fan-made posterhttp://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/riddlerpostercopy.jpg
― Number None, Saturday, 25 July 2009 18:59 (fourteen years ago) link
I was typing 'Batman' into Google and after I clicked search I realized I had actually typed 'Batmoon'
― Armageddon Two: Armageddon (dyao), Saturday, 25 July 2009 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Luckily the GIS results were not as bad as I thought they would be
― Armageddon Two: Armageddon (dyao), Saturday, 25 July 2009 21:34 (fourteen years ago) link
Third Rock From The Sun kid to take over the Joker role. Maggie as Catwoman.
― I can't make my face turn into a heart (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, 26 July 2009 06:26 (fourteen years ago) link
just... "maggie"?
― julien schNAGL (s1ocki), Sunday, 26 July 2009 07:52 (fourteen years ago) link
maggie smith
― Panera - Vulgar Display Of Flour (latebloomer), Sunday, 26 July 2009 07:53 (fourteen years ago) link
Thatcher. Filming starts tomorrow just in case.
― I can't make my face turn into a heart (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, 26 July 2009 08:51 (fourteen years ago) link
I think bringing in Catwoman would be a good idea, but didn't Gyllenhaal's character die in the Dark Knight? They'd require some major retconning to make her into Catwoman. Also, the enemies/partners + sex + costume fetish thing between Bruce and Selina was done so well in Batman Returns, they'd have to find a new angle to that, otherwise they're just biting Burton. I guess Catwoman being an ex of Bruce's who's pissed off at him for letting Joker (supposedly) kill her could provide that angle.
― Tuomas, Sunday, 26 July 2009 12:05 (fourteen years ago) link
I think the only way to top the first two films, and a nice left turn and final nail for the trilogy, would be to have the next film as a huge set piece, something like The Long Halloween (but not that), Dog Day Afternoon or Die Hard.
― mei, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 00:44 (fourteen years ago) link
It's all so old hat now. I say turn Batman evil and psychotic. Make Oldman the hero, sympathetic to Batman because of his past help, but single-mindedly focused on reigning him in.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 22 September 2009 00:48 (fourteen years ago) link
i like mei's idea
― fountain bleaut (s1ocki), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 02:36 (fourteen years ago) link
The biggest temptation to be overcome is eating from the Multiple Villains tree. Knowing that a series will go that route is like hearing a previously decent band describe the next album as "their Sgt. Pepper," or whatever the best tip-off is that cocaine's on the mixing board and we're all in for something bloated.
― Cunga, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 06:52 (fourteen years ago) link
I say turn Batman evil and psychotic. Make Oldman the hero, sympathetic to Batman because of his past help, but single-mindedly focused on reigning him in.
but that's just using the 'two face' story again, really.
― What are the benefits of dating a younger guy, better erections? (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 09:06 (fourteen years ago) link
The biggest temptation to be overcome is eating from the Multiple Villains tree.
They already did that, tho, in TDK. It worked because the stories were linked-up nicely in the script (unlike other attempts at multiple villian films, e.g. Nos. 2 -- 4 of the old Batman franchise).
But generally I agree with you.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 22 September 2009 10:00 (fourteen years ago) link
I actually don't think it worked that well. Two Face was give fairly short shrift. Don't think we'll be seeing a third movie for a few years anyway.
― Number None, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 11:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Just hoping they don't let Cookie Monster dub his vocals for Batman again!
― Adam Bruneau, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 12:58 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2yv8aT0UFc
― What are the benefits of dating a younger guy, better erections? (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:01 (fourteen years ago) link
The multiple villain thing in "Batman Returns" was great. (well, hero/antihero/villain)
― so says i tranny ben franklin (HI DERE), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:17 (fourteen years ago) link
oh wait, Christopher Walken was there too so there were multiple villains
didn't think it worked, tbh. didn't give two face enough time to develop, especially as he was so central to the drama at the end. he just had a tough scene and turned evil.
― What are the benefits of dating a younger guy, better erections? (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:18 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, I thought Dent's transformation to Two-Face was the least credible thing in TDK.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Alongside the idea that Joker had somehow planned it beforehand that he would transform like that.
apart from the flying bat billionaire ninja, i assume. xp
― What are the benefits of dating a younger guy, better erections? (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:21 (fourteen years ago) link
I've found its best not to start thinking too hard into how Joker pulled that complicated scheme together, especially the jailbreak, as it involves holes large enough to drive a semi through. Still love the movie to pieces though.
― Size-zero-brigade-embrace-token-chubby-chops (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:24 (fourteen years ago) link
There's different levels of credibility. Even if it's a fantasy, you have to convince the viewer that what happens is credible within the boundaries of this particular fantasy. Bruce Wayne's transformation in Batman Begins feels believable because so much time and justification is devoted to it. Compared to that, Dent's transformation in TDK feels rushed and random, not quite as believable.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:26 (fourteen years ago) link
(x-post)
joker jailbreak the big one. but yeah it's still great stuff.
― What are the benefits of dating a younger guy, better erections? (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:29 (fourteen years ago) link
Dent's transformation into Two-Face is being wholly overblown by ppl familiar with the comic books IMO; all he was was a pissed-off dude with a burned face who was exacting vengeance on the ppl he thought were responsible for his fiancee's death.
― so says i tranny ben franklin (HI DERE), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:32 (fourteen years ago) link
That's true, it wasn't as if he immediately became this "Two Face" personality.
― Size-zero-brigade-embrace-token-chubby-chops (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:33 (fourteen years ago) link
He did start throwing the coin and thinking justice is random, didn't he? Also, Joker's plan seemed to depend on Dent becoming crazy in a way that would taint his former reputation, which means Joker is helluva planner.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:39 (fourteen years ago) link
when is joker NOT portrayed as a helluva intricate planner to the point of complete ridicness?
― fountain bleaut (s1ocki), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:42 (fourteen years ago) link
Most of the time, at least in comics. Being crazy prepared is Batman's attribute, not really Joker's.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:44 (fourteen years ago) link
are you talking about the same joker who schemed to become iran's ambassador to the UN so he could gas everyone and yet claim diplomatic immunity
― fountain bleaut (s1ocki), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:46 (fourteen years ago) link
maybe they'd make the riddler another rich high tech playboy dude but instead of an insane vigilante he's a goofball who steals stuff, i'd be into that
― goole, Friday, 24 July 2009 16:24 Bookmark
This could be really cool, and it would be a different twist on the "how good are Gotham's people really" theme - now testing whether their fascination with Batman has more to do with the fact that he fights crime or the fact that he's freaky and exotic. Fabulous, winking, quipping playboy Riddler, while robbing banks and so on, ends up being more popular than Batman!
(Could also take the opportunity to talk about the shit economy, people being fed up with fat cats = guy who robs banks is a kind of folk-heroic Robin Hood.)
Also kind of like the Die Hard 3 idea, just as a way of making the riddles less inexplicable...
The real challenge of course is the pressure to do another "serious" film after #2, but having not so many pressing issues left to cover that fit well under the Bat umbrella. TDK kind of covered most of the really interesting ground, it's gonna be hard not to just descend into the mythos and tell internally interesting but globally uncompelling stories with the characters.
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:47 (fourteen years ago) link
http://nooneknowswhatitslike.ytmnd.com/
Sure this further ruined the song for me and I'll never unhear it, but it's not like I was gonna listen to "Who's Next" again anyway, right?
― Cunga, Saturday, 17 October 2009 04:17 (fourteen years ago) link
what a disaster for the who
― well pull down my pants and call me swamp thing (latebloomer), Saturday, 17 October 2009 04:20 (fourteen years ago) link
and what a coup for internet memes.
― Cunga, Saturday, 17 October 2009 06:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Hardly any real detail here but:
While Nolan completes that Leonardo DiCaprio-starrer for a July 16th release, he's also hatched an idea for Warner Bros' third Batman installment. Now his brother and frequent collaborator Jonah Nolan, and David Goyer who co-wrote Batman Begins and penned the story for The Dark Knight, are off scripting it.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 16:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Still hoping for Riddler or Anarky, would accept Solomon Grundy or Victor Zsasz (maybe Mad Hatter or Clayface)
― PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 16:45 (fourteen years ago) link
pretty sure that nolan's batman deserves a day-lewis villain
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 16:57 (fourteen years ago) link
haha playing arkham asylum has made me totally ok w/riddler being the main dude. actually i'll even take harley quinn as an option.
if i have to watch gyllenhal in a catsuit act poorly i will be very angry
― SMALL BONES, SMALL BODIES (jjjusten), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:00 (fourteen years ago) link
he was planning on a DeLouise villain until last May (xpost)
― some dude, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:00 (fourteen years ago) link
What if it was Jake?
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:01 (fourteen years ago) link
i'll be angry if i have to watch gyllenhaal act poorly in another one of these movies period. stay dead!
― some dude, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Zsasz would be awesome, but I can't imagine a studio going for it. That's next-level dark even for Nolan's franchise.
― El Poopo Loco (Pancakes Hackman), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:02 (fourteen years ago) link
just glanced at the wiki entry for the zsasz character. yikes! that is dark. i guess it would allow the two-villain theme to continue (zsasz and penguin).
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:07 (fourteen years ago) link