2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

OMG Que did I write 'everyone'? No, didn't think so...

The amazing thing about the NHS is that it makes it easier for the everyday working person to change their job because they don't give themselves stress worrying about changing plans with each new employer, or worrying about how their relationship with that employer is muddied by healthcare provision issues. I think taking that negotiation plank away from employment is a good thing. My friends are happy, as I wrote above. They have pretty expensive health insurance in the US because of certain of their health issues that are handled really well by the NHS here. I am also happy with my NHS services relative to US insurers: I'd have a shit, expensive time with the insurers because of my own ex-cancer patient situ.

Alex, all anyone who has never used it ever talks about when you bring up the British system is OMG waiting lists, if they are indeed anti the idea. You can see GPs very easily and if your need is actually acute, you'll be in with a consultant PDQ.

I KNOW and everytime I hear someone say that my mind boggles. What fantastic healthcare do they have where they aren't waiting all the time?!?!?!

Is there another complaint against nationalized healthcare? I mean other than OMG this will mean TAXES!!!

yeah, my current insurance entails 2-3 month waits for certain things. i gave up trying to get a gyno appointment and just went to planned parenthood (which my insurance won't cover) because wtf @ 3-4 month wait there? you don't have to wait if you have boutiquey insurance and gps can usually fit you in but if you have to get something more complicated than a cold checked out you're kind of screwed with most insurance here.

In Communist Britisher System, gyno reminder finds YOU.

Alex, let's see:

1. OMG waiting lists
2. OMG 'no choice of doctor'
3. OMG the cost
4. OMG surely the government will fuck it up

It is worth noting that the NHS was set up by Bevan in the immediate aftermath of WWII, when Britain had fuck-all money to pay for it, as little money as we may have today, making the distinction between general care (which was to be prioritised) over research (resulting in a flow of doctors to US universities). Medical students here cost $500,000 to put through their whole course, it's paid for by the government and it is very bad form to fuck off to private practice. I like to think there is a vestige of concern for others in one's community here that makes the whole thing work, even as the profit vultures from America circle on it. This crisis may put paid to that and I would be very happy if this stalled any further dismantling moves.

Those are the dumbest arguments. EVERY SINGLE ONE APPLIES TO THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM WE HAVE NOW (with the exception of four, but you can replace government with insurance company at will there.)

useful fact

The US government spends as much of US taxpayers money (as a proportion of GDP) as the british and german governments do with their respective taxpayers money; US industry and individuals then pay the same again. Healthcare outcomes are not markedly different.

insurance is consistently one of the most profitable industries while the VA system is the cheapest and highest rated heathcare in the country

wtf goin on w/this picture

schef i don't understand why you don't just go to the emergency room

^^^ are you channeling George Bush or are you serious?

schef i don't understand why you don't just go to the emergency room

haha – one of my Repubfundie students used that line in an essay last semester.

kos sez "looking like a blowout"

The graphs for McCain look a lot like the stock market graphs.

just got my absentee ballot in the mail

rad

ok, predictions of blowout are bad news right now, because they augur complacency, a danger right now. Signs of success need to be more incentive to fight harder.

nah i say we put our feet up and do nothing until 2010

It just makes me want to crush Mac harder and hear the lamentations of his women. Especially if I could hear Palin say "aww lay off, willya?! Jeez!"

OMG ITS IN THE BAGGGGGG YAY!!!!!!

ok, predictions of blowout are bad news right now, because they augur complacency, a danger right now.

The Obama camp has been a model of coolness.

"ok, predictions of blowout are bad news right now, because they augur complacency, a danger right now. Signs of success need to be more incentive to fight harder."

I'm doubting this is going to happen. People seem pretty motivated this year.

yeah, complacency's a real problem. i'll bet Axelrod told everyone to go home early.

http://thepage.time.com/2008/10/07/obama-campaign-cuts-volunteers-loose/

What does anybody know about this source?

http://thepage.time.com/2008/10/07/deej-is-mocking-our-patriotism

http://thepage.time.com/2008/10/07/look!-a-kitten!

xxp - nothing, but I wouldn't touch it

It just makes me want to crush Mac harder and hear the lamentations of his women

lolz Obamaconan

we know Clinton never won a majority - what were Carter and JFK's majorities like...? Are we looking at the biggest Dem margin of victory since FDR?

What does anybody know about this source?

― Michael White, Tuesday, October 7, 2008 3:48 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what do u think

we know Clinton never won a majority - what were Carter and JFK's majorities like...? Are we looking at the biggest Dem margin of victory since FDR?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, October 7, 2008 3:52 PM (9 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i cant see him surpassing lbj

oh right duh *slaps forehead*

Michael, if you read that dude's other articles, you realize very quickly that he is a self-serving douchebag that is easily discredited. As much as I'd like to believe that article, I need to see it come from somewhere else.

xp: everyone likes El BJ

That's what I was thinking, Dan. I've just never seen or heard of them and my inbox is inundated with crazy leftist shit that I mostly want to eschew in favor of stuff that will stick/win.

xp: everyone likes El BJ

plz to post pic of LBJ pissin' outside the tent.

argh I have the best jpeg and it's a phucking photobucket...

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/david_brooks_calls_the_electio.php

only the very naive, the very deluded, and john mccain himself think that mccain has any shot at winning at this point

lol andrew sullivan just kicked an alabama newspaper off the internet. no good deed goes unpunished, anniston star!

Hahaha, I was just trying to find that page myself.

It appears to be this:

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:http://www.annistonstar.com/breaking/2008/as-localupdate-1006-jflemingcol-8j06o5456.htm&hl=en&strip=1

http://thepage.time.com/2008/10/07/deej-is-mocking-our-patriotism

― David R., Tuesday, October 7, 2008 8:49 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

damn wtf deej

"What's crazy is this," he writes. "I was blown away by the outright racism, but these folks are f***ing undecided. They would call him a n----r and mention how they don't know what to do because of the economy."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Race_and_the_economy.html?showall

whatever dudes, Axelrod may not be sending people home, but it's the work going on locally that's gotta keep going. If people think it's in the bag then they may say fuck it. Even if it is in the bag for Obama, it's not in the bag for tons of other Dems---for instance we're working hard in my district for the state school board election, since the (popular) incumbent is anti-evolution. But a big turnout for Obama would help throw her out of office. And so on in every district. Just stay cool is all I'm saying. I trust Obama to do so.

Thank you for the warning.

Thank you for being a dick.

Thanks for the sad.

cindy mccain does some aggressive truth telling, aggressively.

"Thank you for being a dick."

My pleasure.

lmbo xpost

Just two of the youngsters in the room were close to voting age: Beatriz Zamora and her friend Anna Robertson. Both 17 and classmates in an AP government class, they’ve been following the race closely and wish they could have the chance to cast their vote.

Who would their vote go to? Beatriz cocks her head and stares intently.

“Barack Obama,” she said firmly.

Still, both girls were excited to meet the Republican candidate’s wife.

“We like the McCains too,” Anna explained. “We just like the Obamas better.”

aggressive cindy is aggressive

euler, no-one said that they should stop campaigning