If you pare The Riddler down to his core, he's basically the dude who's convinced he is smarter than everyone else around him to the degree where he arrogantly thinks he can leave riddles that, when deciphered, will tell people exactly what he's doing but that the people opposed to him are too stupid to figure them out in time
why are you talking shit about Morbs when he's not around?
― Heric E. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:10 (fourteen years ago) link
If it's The Riddler, I expect the moviemakers to take the character to an evil, twisted place (the way they did with The Joker, who was -- admittedly -- a much more menacing character than The Riddler was, but The Riddler could be a wiry, insane little villian too, with the right script and actor).
BTW, Scarecrow was awesome, and they should have given him a bigger role.
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 24 July 2009 20:11 (fourteen years ago) link
Sorry if I'm (more) incoherent (than usual). On vacation. Had a drink.
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 24 July 2009 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link
Looks like I was wrong: Riddler (Johnny Depp) and Penguin (Phillip Seymour Hoffman).
― Daniel, Esq.
please those were "rumored" since TDK went into production. How can they have villains chosen and cast before they have a writer and director signed on?
― master of karate and friendship for everyone (musically), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, biggest laugh/biggest scare in the whole series for me is that "would you like to see my mask" scarecrow scene ...
― tylerw, Friday, 24 July 2009 20:14 (fourteen years ago) link
I did not think Scarecrow was a minor character in "Batman Begins" at all!
― Lisa Simpson = a fictional bitch (HI DERE), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link
So, Depp is going from the Mad Hatter to The Riddler. I think that Depp needs a more low-key role...something that shows he's still ADEPPT at doing a more nuanced, subtle thing. Not another larger-than-life weirdo. It's getting stale. How about Paul Giammatti (spelling?) as the Penguin?
― SourPatchCorpse, Friday, 24 July 2009 20:16 (fourteen years ago) link
as a villain, I definitely liked the Scarecrow more than Ras Al Guhl... but it would seem weird to resort to him as the central villain for the third film, would be kinda taking a step backward/treading water.
― girlish in the worst sense of that term (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:17 (fourteen years ago) link
I did not think Scarecrow was a minor character in "Batman Begins" at all!not minor, but certainly not the center of the action in the way the joker was ...
― tylerw, Friday, 24 July 2009 20:17 (fourteen years ago) link
BTW, I saw The Riddler, at his core, as a paranoid, hyperactive, insecure socoipath. To me, the riddles were a gimmick that fed his ego, and helped him deal with his insecurities and a constant sense of dread and paranoid. To me, he was Batman's most unhinged, insane enemy (now, obv., I think of The Joker in that role, but mostly b/c of the movies).
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 24 July 2009 20:19 (fourteen years ago) link
he was a guy in a question mark costume who told riddles
― goole, Friday, 24 July 2009 20:20 (fourteen years ago) link
fuckin english majors!
I think the Joker should be in it if only for one scene, like they did for Scarecrow in Dark Knight. A Johnny Depp cameo as the Joker would be pretty awesome I think.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 24 July 2009 20:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Dan/Daniel - I would assume they would make the Riddler a darker/more twisted character as well, (certainly the rich tradition of films with serial killers leaving compulsive clues behind - se7en, Zodiac, tons of others - springs to mind), but they would really have to make the character into a violent psychopath who's not in control of his behavior for that to work... and that's already such ridiculous, well-travelled ground that I don't think it would be particularly satisfying. That would basically make it a Dirty Harry movie. With costumes.
x-posts
― girlish in the worst sense of that term (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:21 (fourteen years ago) link
I mean I can see it now...
Gordon: Batman! There's a mysterious serial killer on the loose and he's left clues behind, scrawled in blood on the wall!Batman: I'm on my way
Me: zzzzzzz
― girlish in the worst sense of that term (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:23 (fourteen years ago) link
i do not believe these Depp/Hoffman rumours. Too on-the-nose for Nolan.
― sean gramophone, Friday, 24 July 2009 20:23 (fourteen years ago) link
I remember Mr. Freeze being really awesome on the cartoon Batman show. Scary, tragic.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 24 July 2009 20:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Even in terms of fictional deaths you're jaded, Shakey Mo.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 July 2009 20:24 (fourteen years ago) link
maybe they'd make the riddler another rich high tech playboy dude but instead of an insane vigilante he's a goofball who steals stuff, i'd be into that
― goole, Friday, 24 July 2009 20:24 (fourteen years ago) link
i always liked this guy when i was a kidhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/69/Ventiloquist_000000475.jpg
― tylerw, Friday, 24 July 2009 20:25 (fourteen years ago) link
ha! Pitt should be the riddler, in his Twelve Monkeys guise
― Great Scott! It's Molecular Man. (Ste), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:25 (fourteen years ago) link
would assume they would make the Riddler a darker/more twisted character as well, (certainly the rich tradition of films with serial killers leaving compulsive clues behind - se7en, Zodiac, tons of others - springs to mind), but they would really have to make the character into a violent psychopath who's not in control of his behavior for that to work... and that's already such ridiculous, well-travelled ground that I don't think it would be particularly satisfying. That would basically make it a Dirty Harry movie. With costumes.
wtf are you talking about?
Why can't they take The Riddler in the direction of the "Die Hard" example I gave, namely a smart, ruthless guy who sets up these elaborate riddles and death traps that all lead AWAY from the prosaic-but-audacious-in-size bank robbery that is his real goal? Not everything has to be about psychos eating eyeballs.
― Lisa Simpson = a fictional bitch (HI DERE), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:27 (fourteen years ago) link
also goole OTM: maybe the prosaic turn is to actually keep a lighter tone but make him more of a thrillseeker thief rather than a tortured baby-spiker
― Lisa Simpson = a fictional bitch (HI DERE), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:28 (fourteen years ago) link
ha now i'm waiting for this: the gotham public likes its new lighthearted costumed villain more than its dour costumed protector who, maybe a reality-show celeb media satire vibe (ok no)
― goole, Friday, 24 July 2009 20:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Hoffman could do his Capote voice as the Penguin.
― mile high guy (brownie), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Actually, since Batman is taking the fall for the Two-Face rampage and the death of Harvey Dent, maybe you have one villain be the standard crook and the other one be a vigilante going after Batman for being a menace.
― Lisa Simpson = a fictional bitch (HI DERE), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Dan's riddler would have to spend most of the movie getting foiled and/or caught then in the finale switcheroo be successful to work as described. That would mean villain wins. Don't know if that would work. Maybe.
― For other uses, see Cornhole (disambiguation). (Oilyrags), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:42 (fourteen years ago) link
Also kudos to danielesque for posting links to rumors from a year ago.
― For other uses, see Cornhole (disambiguation). (Oilyrags), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:45 (fourteen years ago) link
ty, ty.
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 24 July 2009 20:47 (fourteen years ago) link
There were new to me!
yup.
also in this: http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Snow-Dan-Curtis-Johnson/dp/1401212654
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51zyPd08SPL._SL500_AA240_.jpg
― Ømår Littel (Jordan), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:47 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm inclined to think this Depp/Hoffman rumor is bullshit because a) as noted this rumor has been around since before DK was even out, and b) its way more likely that Gyllenhaal will be in the third movie as Catwoman - she's already under contract for three movies, it would fit into the personal transformation/unintended consequences thread of the existing narrative, you don't SEE her die ("cats have 9 lives" lolz). Plus the cat joke/ref in DK.
By all means there could be another villain, but I'll be very surprised if there's no Gyllenhaal as Catwoman.
― girlish in the worst sense of that term (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:48 (fourteen years ago) link
Depp would be completely non-threatening as the Riddler imo, the best thing about the first two movies was Gary Oldham so as long as he's in the next one i'm happy.
― same dog, different leg action (Mr Raif), Friday, 24 July 2009 20:51 (fourteen years ago) link
but I'll be very surprised if there's no Gyllenhaal as Catwoman
(a) would look good in costume; (b) would allow her to play the opposite of the character she played in Secretary.
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 24 July 2009 20:53 (fourteen years ago) link
not minor, but certainly not the center of the action in the way the joker was ...
― tylerw, Friday, July 24, 2009 4:17 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
...which was about two-face as much as it was about the joker in exactly the same way as the first one was about ras al ghul as much as it was about the scarecrow!
― julien schNAGL (s1ocki), Saturday, 25 July 2009 18:12 (fourteen years ago) link
http://api.ning.com/files/Le3SG5S3b51hIu7izQ0r55geK1-Ac4i6J436InSm0jvY5ENxdjLZvYp5RCxxokTdE*qA782dGgqsudG44zbpUhyiSQlC5SUY/crazy_quilt.jpg
― Panera - Vulgar Display Of Flour (latebloomer), Saturday, 25 July 2009 18:15 (fourteen years ago) link
only logical choice imo
that dude has problems
― julien schNAGL (s1ocki), Saturday, 25 July 2009 18:17 (fourteen years ago) link
Starting with his greasy forelock.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 July 2009 18:23 (fourteen years ago) link
still crossing my fingers for catwoman. bale's on record saying he wants wayne to knock boots, and I think the sex angle is the only novel place to go post-joker - otherwise it's all just crime bosses with goofy fetishes ("I like cold!" "I like alice in wonderland!")
― da croupier, Saturday, 25 July 2009 18:25 (fourteen years ago) link
i may have posted this on a thread before, but I'd love to have catwoman call out bale's goofy "argh i'm batman" voice and then have him abandon it, as if finally accepting that wayne is the costume and that batman is the real him.
― da croupier, Saturday, 25 July 2009 18:27 (fourteen years ago) link
some other villainy casting ideas i wrote for work a while back
eric roberts didn't actually die, gets really into greek mythology and becomes...maxie zeus!
miley cyrus is a teeage sociopathic joker fan who becomes...harley quinn!
ben foster is a cyberpunk who decides batman is the reason crime bosses are buying funny hats and becomes...anarky!
sly stallone is bane!
― da croupier, Saturday, 25 July 2009 18:30 (fourteen years ago) link
maybe you have one villain be the standard crook and the other one be a vigilante going after Batman for being a menace.
http://www.popculturemadness.com/Entertainment/News/Images/Special.jpg
YES.
― Leee, Saturday, 25 July 2009 18:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Pretty cool fan-made posterhttp://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/riddlerpostercopy.jpg
― Number None, Saturday, 25 July 2009 18:59 (fourteen years ago) link
I was typing 'Batman' into Google and after I clicked search I realized I had actually typed 'Batmoon'
― Armageddon Two: Armageddon (dyao), Saturday, 25 July 2009 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Luckily the GIS results were not as bad as I thought they would be
― Armageddon Two: Armageddon (dyao), Saturday, 25 July 2009 21:34 (fourteen years ago) link
Third Rock From The Sun kid to take over the Joker role. Maggie as Catwoman.
― I can't make my face turn into a heart (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, 26 July 2009 06:26 (fourteen years ago) link
just... "maggie"?
― julien schNAGL (s1ocki), Sunday, 26 July 2009 07:52 (fourteen years ago) link
maggie smith
― Panera - Vulgar Display Of Flour (latebloomer), Sunday, 26 July 2009 07:53 (fourteen years ago) link
Thatcher. Filming starts tomorrow just in case.
― I can't make my face turn into a heart (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, 26 July 2009 08:51 (fourteen years ago) link
At least BvS has trainwreck appeal. DKR is just boring.
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 22 January 2018 12:56 (six years ago) link
they really should have shown Batman getting that giant fire bat symbol ready. using rappelling rope to get into position, taping the outline with painter's tape, spraying layers of flammable coating, etc. probably took him that whole afternoon
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 22 January 2018 14:19 (six years ago) link
I'd settle for seeing him get into the impregnable, sealed-off city, which would have actually made a cool set piece. Between that and the incredibly uninteresting second fight with Bane it's pretty clear this movie was written in like two lazy afternoons and they never went back and thought about anything again, even by the measure of "what would be cool and satisfying in an action-adventure movie?"
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Monday, 22 January 2018 14:35 (six years ago) link
just remembered that bruce wayne's devastating spinal injury in this is solved by having some guy punch him really hard in the back
helluva movie
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 22 January 2018 14:46 (six years ago) link
I just checked the Wikipedia page to see how Bruce Wayne overcame his backache and I realized that I'd completely forgotten that Catwoman and Talia Al Ghul were in this thing, and that I'd also forgotten basically the entire movie. And then realized that I don't think I could piece together even a rudimentary summary of any of the three Nolan films. I remember that Morgan Freeman and My Cocaine were in them. And Cillian Murphy (forgot about Scarecrow), and Heath Ledger, of course. Just remembered that Maggie Gyllenhaal replaced Katie Holmes. Ummm...a hospital exploded at some point? Oh, Liam Neeson. Aaron Eckhart. I mostly just remember who was in them. Tom Hardy. What did they do in these things? I don't know. I really don't. Gary Oldman. That football stadium...collapsed, maybe? Sheesh. Oh, Batman made that truck flip over. That was pretty cool. I could probably relate the events of the first Burton Batman minute-by-minute but I guess I probably saw that 852 times as opposed to the one time I saw each of the Nolans.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Monday, 22 January 2018 14:48 (six years ago) link
xpost!!! bizarro!!
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Monday, 22 January 2018 14:49 (six years ago) link
We could be doing so much more with this perpetual mind meld, brother.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Monday, 22 January 2018 14:50 (six years ago) link
Maybe its workmanlike lameness is just a tribute to Chuck Dizon
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 22 January 2018 14:51 (six years ago) link
I think Nolan might be the master of completely ephemeral spectacle. Even most bad blockbuster-y movies have at least a scene or two that sticks with me, but I genuinely remember almost nothing about any of his films.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Monday, 22 January 2018 14:57 (six years ago) link
lol so otm.
the first two Burton films are still my favorite
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 22 January 2018 15:05 (six years ago) link
I've enjoyed and often even loved every Nolan movie I've seen on first viewing, eventually I learned that these movies absolutely do not hold up to repeat viewings, or even reminiscing.
― silverfish, Monday, 22 January 2018 15:13 (six years ago) link
it's starting to freak me out a little, honestly!
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 22 January 2018 15:19 (six years ago) link
this movie is the biggest pile of shit in the world
― #TeamHailing (imago), Monday, 22 January 2018 15:22 (six years ago) link
The Prestige really stuck with me, and I loved it at the time. Probably doesn't hold up now, but nice to have the Bowie scenes.
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 22 January 2018 15:43 (six years ago) link
i dunno if you've checked in with chuck dixon recently (and let's be honest, why would you) but his 'workmanlike lameness' has descended into full-on maga-chuddery over the last few years
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 22 January 2018 16:11 (six years ago) link
Bane voice is the one thing that I still think of from this movie
I was noodling around the house and put on some streaming movies from Amazon, including that Vin Diesel xXx movie from last year, and there's a segment where it seems like they're about to crash this giant military plane. I'm mumbling "crashing this plane... with no survivors!" at the tv and laughing
― mh, Monday, 22 January 2018 16:25 (six years ago) link
Bane Irish traveller callout is the best thing about this
― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Monday, 22 January 2018 16:27 (six years ago) link
And the iDENtiTY of the TRIGger Man is... a MYSTERY!
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Sunday, January 21, 2018 10:43 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
just started giggling at this
do you guys think that Tom Hardy does the voice around the house when he's talking to his dogs?
― mh, Monday, 22 January 2018 16:27 (six years ago) link
bane voice is a gift to humanity, not least because it creeps into so many other tom hardy performances - his slurred cockney muttering in peaky blinders in particular is always teetering on the precipice of full-on bane
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 22 January 2018 16:29 (six years ago) link
dmac otm xxp
Also, what asshole looks at the whole history of Batman and think, "Let's do Knightfall!!!"
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 22 January 2018 16:32 (six years ago) link
the Nolans, obv
― mh, Monday, 22 January 2018 16:33 (six years ago) link
Tom hardy hasn't spoken clearly since I pointed out that he is in fact Judi dench in an inflatable muscle skin some years back
Fooling nobody judi
― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Monday, 22 January 2018 16:33 (six years ago) link
when's the next season of Taboo going to air, can we get Tom back to work on that
― mh, Monday, 22 January 2018 16:34 (six years ago) link
Bane's voice and memes is truly the lasting gift of these films.
perhaps also TDKR giving Occupy protesters their mainstream film debut in a film about a billionaire vigilante being our only hope. i wonder if in some weird, twisted way, it actually helped to legitimize the cause to the general public.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 22 January 2018 16:35 (six years ago) link
No
― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Monday, 22 January 2018 16:37 (six years ago) link
I'm not sure it put the angry mob in a sympathetic light but I get where you're coming from
― mh, Monday, 22 January 2018 16:37 (six years ago) link
eager to refute this obvious nonsense, i google image searched for pictures of dench and hardy together and found nothing
~~x-files theme~~
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 22 January 2018 16:40 (six years ago) link
can't agree about occupy, but i think it's obvious that a series of blockbuster movies about a billionaire vigilante being our only hope put trump in the white house
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 22 January 2018 16:42 (six years ago) link
fwiw i mean "legitimized" as in "This isn't just a thing the news made up, i saw it in Batman"
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 22 January 2018 16:47 (six years ago) link
i think the venn diagram of people aware enough of current events to know about occupy and people who wait for things to show up in their batman movies before giving them credence probably doesn't have a huge amount of overlap, let's put it that way
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 22 January 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link
Ya but in the right gerrymandering system it's just enough
― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Monday, 22 January 2018 16:54 (six years ago) link
I'm on your schedule, Captain
― omar little, Monday, 22 January 2018 17:10 (six years ago) link
^^^should replace "otm"
― omar little, Monday, 22 January 2018 17:11 (six years ago) link
Nolan Batman >>>>>> Burton Batman you are all goths.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 22 January 2018 17:31 (six years ago) link
just remembered that bruce wayne's devastating spinal injury in this is solved by having some guy punch him really hard in the backhelluva movie― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 22 January 2018 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 22 January 2018 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
If you'd like a film closer to reality may I point you to Rome, Open City.
Glad to help.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 22 January 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
― xyzzzz__, Monday, January 22, 2018 9:31 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^i'm on your schedule, cap
― omar little, Monday, 22 January 2018 17:35 (six years ago) link