Not to make this about ILX and how ILX self-polices and factions and cliques etc., but, the emails between other group members being negative about Dorland ... this is so ordinary to me. Like, I feel that what seems so insane about this whole thing is how banal and ordinary it began.
― sarahell, Sunday, 10 October 2021 00:04 (two years ago) link
didn't really want to read that nyt article, was hoping not to have to, but first of all:
"When she noticed classmates cooing over Marilynne Robinson’s novel “Housekeeping,” she picked up a copy. After inhaling its story of an eccentric small-town upbringing told with sensitive, all-seeing narration, she knew she wanted to become a writer."
That is fucking awful. Housekeeping was so more than that
― Dan S, Sunday, 10 October 2021 01:01 (two years ago) link
embarrassing admission: for like the first whole half of the article i mistook “grub street” for a food website like, i dunno, “chowhound” and was like, what are all these fiction writers doing on a website about restaurants and recipes, well, whatever just go with it
If it makes you feel any better, Grub Street *is* also the name of a food website. It's New York magazine's food vertical.
― jaymc, Sunday, 10 October 2021 01:07 (two years ago) link
The email conversations among the (lol) “chunky monkeys” made me think of the I think you should Leave insider trading sketch.
― And of course the worms! (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 10 October 2021 01:15 (two years ago) link
JUST LEAVE IT
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Sunday, 10 October 2021 01:17 (two years ago) link
The dialysis patients are angry. pic.twitter.com/RbYPAqgWa7— Sharon Adarlo (@sadarlo1) October 9, 2021
― mark s, Sunday, 10 October 2021 11:36 (two years ago) link
unlike your ilx persona, mine stands with them^^^
“Abdulrazak, congratulations on your Nobel Prize. We just have a few questions: Team Dorland or Team Larsen? Do you consider yourself a good or bad art friend? How often do you smash that like button? Are groupchats sacred?”— Franklin Leonard (@franklinleonard) October 7, 2021
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Sunday, 10 October 2021 12:17 (two years ago) link
inordinately mad that i tried to know as little about this as possible and now it's been optioned
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Sunday, 10 October 2021 14:16 (two years ago) link
whoever upthread said this should be a coen brothers movie was otm
― sarahell, Sunday, 10 October 2021 17:54 (two years ago) link
down at the Grub Street muse and the marketplace literary conferenceeeee 🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶— 𝒷𝑒𝒸𝒸𝒶 🌪🥩🍸💸 (@TamingofdeSchuh) October 10, 2021
― ... (Eazy), Sunday, 10 October 2021 18:51 (two years ago) link
I’m at the Grub Street museI’m at the marketplace literary conference I’m at the combination Grub Street muse and marketplace literary conference
― talkin' about his flat tire (DJP), Sunday, 10 October 2021 20:22 (two years ago) link
thank you Dan, for making the post I was afraid to make.
― sarahell, Sunday, 10 October 2021 20:38 (two years ago) link
fgti, I must admit that I fear we would not get along at all in real life, which is fine, but believe it or not, the more I read about this story, the more I believe Dorland is the cause of all of this.
― I'm a sovereign jazz citizen (the table is the table), Sunday, 10 October 2021 21:55 (two years ago) link
I also don't understand these subtweet analogies because I'm not on Twitter. What is a subtweet?
― I'm a sovereign jazz citizen (the table is the table), Sunday, 10 October 2021 21:56 (two years ago) link
Unfortunate that they already used "Burn After Reading."
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 10 October 2021 22:00 (two years ago) link
Nice
― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Sunday, 10 October 2021 22:14 (two years ago) link
Most ilxors fine irl ime btw
― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Sunday, 10 October 2021 22:15 (two years ago) link
Same! I've enjoyed my time meeting ilxors in real life, every time!
― I'm a sovereign jazz citizen (the table is the table), Sunday, 10 October 2021 22:16 (two years ago) link
this story is a rorshach test. whichever person you sympathize with more is the one you secretly believe yourself to resemble. or rather, you are afraid that you are annoying in the way that person is annoying. so for me i sympathize with dorland and abhor larson but it's only because i cringe on behalf of the former and recoil in fear from the latter.
― treeship., Sunday, 10 October 2021 22:30 (two years ago) link
in some cases, though, the identification is too strong and the reader of the story sides with their perceived opposite instead. a kind of defense. that can happen.
― treeship., Sunday, 10 October 2021 22:37 (two years ago) link
but both figures are so irritating in ways that are very recognizable, very contemporary, which is why this is a good viral story.
What about thinking everyone is awful, including thinkpiece writers
― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Sunday, 10 October 2021 22:38 (two years ago) link
everyone thinks that.
what i am saying is, deep down, there is one of the two you despise more than the other.
― treeship., Sunday, 10 October 2021 22:41 (two years ago) link
chunky monkey is my least favorite Ben & Jerry's ice cream flavor
― sarahell, Sunday, 10 October 2021 22:44 (two years ago) link
Ok fair xp
― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Sunday, 10 October 2021 22:44 (two years ago) link
The one I despise least is the one who literally donated a kidney to save someone's life. But did it in an annoying way
― kinder, Sunday, 10 October 2021 22:47 (two years ago) link
― treeship., Sunday, October 10, 2021 3:41 PM (three minutes ago)
idk -- I can see parts of myself in both, and also how I would have dealt with the situation were I in either position. And I would not have made the choices they made.
I remember a few years back, there was this woman who really annoyed me, and I wrote a song with lyrics that were totally references to stuff she wrote on social media. And then I thought, am I okay with people knowing this? How would I respond if I was performing this song and she was there, or someone I liked who was friends with her? And I decided, this is not a battle I want to fight. And I changed the lyrics.
― sarahell, Sunday, 10 October 2021 22:50 (two years ago) link
Obviously it's sort of hilarious how mad it all is. But I'm glad someone got a kidney out of it. We should make it a rule that all literary clusterfucks need to kick off with an organ donation otherwise they don't count.
― kinder, Sunday, 10 October 2021 22:51 (two years ago) link
and next time it should be a penis
― sarahell, Sunday, 10 October 2021 22:52 (two years ago) link
They should make that the literary motto - the penis! Mightier than the sword!
― kinder, Sunday, 10 October 2021 22:53 (two years ago) link
Who would receive the penis
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Sunday, 10 October 2021 23:08 (two years ago) link
I imagine every single writer of fiction has thought about using some real-life incident that would likely hurt the real-life person - and then decided against it, or camouflaged it to the extent no one would ever know. Larson didn't do that, she did the exact opposite: with the warmly/kindly switch, she deliberately identified Dorland to those in the know. Dorland is a complete and utter nightmare - but I'm not sure she did anything as morally egregious as that.
― Zelda Zonk, Sunday, 10 October 2021 23:16 (two years ago) link
i still regret using Budd Dwyer in my novel
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Sunday, 10 October 2021 23:17 (two years ago) link
dorland seems like someone who is clinging to a story about herself--that she is unusually selfless--and even is cultivating a forced sense of naivete, of innocence, that flatters her sense of herself as "too pure for the world". she seems annoying. but larson was sort of sadistic in the way she went about puncturing these cherished illusions of dorland's. there isn't a way to look at her actions and not see the aggression there.
― treeship., Sunday, 10 October 2021 23:22 (two years ago) link
Dorland sued Larson on tenuous grounds, ramped up settlement demands, and pitched the story to media. Not defending Larson, but Dorland's actions are egregious and aggressive.
― bulb after bulb, Sunday, 10 October 2021 23:31 (two years ago) link
ongoing human interactions between the initial pain in the arse and their victims lenf themselves to such forensic judgement but i must admit that i will always hold pen to the ready to draw up the minority opinion that suggests some people would drive you fuckin demented, for all that the image people will remember is basil fawlty beating up a car with a branch and not the car being a genuine pain in his hole
― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Sunday, 10 October 2021 23:32 (two years ago) link
Id a harmless co worker reduce me to tears on a tesco sandwich aisle after he attached himself to me the six months previous and followed me everywhere talking incessantly about his crypto wallet and giving bad advice unasked, the final straw was him picking up the crisps and drink to make the meal deal for the sandwich i had selected, after he silently followed me from my desk out the door and around the corner from the office to do so
Now im sure i looked the worse party in the instant but murder was in range at the time as a result of repeated breaches of the nuisance code and crimes of passion are crimes of the moment, not to be fairly judged so clinically thereafter treesh
― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Sunday, 10 October 2021 23:37 (two years ago) link
giving bad advice unaskedB-b-but I thought you didn’t mind unsolicited advice?
― Spiral Scratchiti (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 10 October 2021 23:42 (two years ago) link
Sorry
literally donated a kidney to save someone's life
― ✖, Sunday, 10 October 2021 23:43 (two years ago) link
figuratively donated a kidney
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Sunday, 10 October 2021 23:44 (two years ago) link
am referring to the motive not the action
― ✖, Sunday, 10 October 2021 23:45 (two years ago) link
― bulb after bulb, Sunday, October 10, 2021 7:31 PM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
this is a good point
― treeship., Sunday, 10 October 2021 23:47 (two years ago) link
xpost Does the motive matter if the outcome is good?
― Zelda Zonk, Sunday, 10 October 2021 23:48 (two years ago) link
yeah imo
― ✖, Sunday, 10 October 2021 23:49 (two years ago) link
like at least a little if we're gonna spend a week psychoanalyzing this person
― ✖, Sunday, 10 October 2021 23:50 (two years ago) link
Lily, the organlegger’s daughter, was literally bereft of her kidney.
― Spiral Scratchiti (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 10 October 2021 23:50 (two years ago) link
the point of larson's story was to reveal the narcissism that lay behind the action. this is a kind of insight that dorland probably isn't ready for, tbh, given what we know about her. that is part of why the story seemed so aggressive.
― treeship., Sunday, 10 October 2021 23:52 (two years ago) link
but the quick response from dorland, the lawsuit and the times article, show that larson was right about her.
― treeship., Sunday, 10 October 2021 23:55 (two years ago) link