Yes exactly! it's the same kind of Protestant acetic ideal of the artist (solitary, unmotivated by material reward or recognition) that informs their discomfort with her kidney story
― plax (ico), Thursday, 7 October 2021 17:45 (two years ago) link
is dreamer/exceller some malcolm gladwell pop psych shit?
― mens rea activist (k3vin k.), Thursday, 7 October 2021 18:05 (two years ago) link
some would say that, but they are wrong
― St. Twel'mo, or the Cuneiform Cyclopedist of Chattanooga (President Keyes), Thursday, 7 October 2021 18:06 (two years ago) link
oh dear
― mens rea activist (k3vin k.), Thursday, 7 October 2021 18:08 (two years ago) link
It's from a debate about a Simpsons joke. I only brought it up because table's statement that it boggled his mind that someone could see things differently is a sentiment that came up about 1000 times on that thread
― St. Twel'mo, or the Cuneiform Cyclopedist of Chattanooga (President Keyes), Thursday, 7 October 2021 18:11 (two years ago) link
Oh boy, the New York Times Magazine! That's where I'm a Bad Art Friend!
― jaymc, Thursday, 7 October 2021 18:21 (two years ago) link
Hate to cross the streams but one last time until the next last time
Ppl are alarmed and appalled that the excellers think they might be right
Not that they think can see something different if they squint
― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Thursday, 7 October 2021 18:27 (two years ago) link
how many dreamers does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
only one, because that's where they're a viking, and that means they're excellent at changing lightbulbs
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Thursday, 7 October 2021 19:27 (two years ago) link
everyone invoking that stuuuuuupid viking thread should be fp’d
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 7 October 2021 19:52 (two years ago) link
why did I imagine VG yelling that at the thread out of a car window
― talkin' about his flat tire (DJP), Thursday, 7 October 2021 20:16 (two years ago) link
Jesus lets not
― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Thursday, 7 October 2021 20:19 (two years ago) link
oh great now I'm going to have to read a thread about vikings, too?
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Thursday, 7 October 2021 20:41 (two years ago) link
only if you will follow it up by dousing your eyes with acid, which is the only known antidote to that thread
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Thursday, 7 October 2021 20:42 (two years ago) link
xp Yeah otherwise a lot of the references here will read like norse code
― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Thursday, 7 October 2021 20:42 (two years ago) link
imma douse my eyes with acid after that quip, dmac
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Thursday, 7 October 2021 20:43 (two years ago) link
humour
Thats where im an eyesting
― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Thursday, 7 October 2021 20:57 (two years ago) link
Oh boy, a stranger's body, that's where I'm a kidney!
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 7 October 2021 21:33 (two years ago) link
u_u
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 7 October 2021 22:57 (two years ago) link
quincie that thread is about vikings the way larson thinks moby dick is about whales
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 7 October 2021 22:58 (two years ago) link
that thread will form the capstone of my ilx novel cycle, deems is the villain as usual
― mark s, Thursday, 7 October 2021 23:10 (two years ago) link
Cast aspersions
― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Thursday, 7 October 2021 23:14 (two years ago) link
Dorland started this whole thing by acting unhinged af, inviting the mockery and scrutiny of those whom she erroneously considered colleagues. The resulting situation sucks for her, and exposes the meanness and pettiness of those supposed colleagues but it also is of her own making.― I'm a sovereign jazz citizen (the table is the table), Thursday, October 7, 2021 1:17 PM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― I'm a sovereign jazz citizen (the table is the table), Thursday, October 7, 2021 1:17 PM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
good take on bullying
― treeship., Friday, 8 October 2021 00:29 (two years ago) link
dorland is certainly narcissitic in a way that feels needy and lacks self awareness. she is cringe. but larson and her friends seem mean. i have no view on the lawsuit—seems frivolous, but still
― treeship., Friday, 8 October 2021 00:32 (two years ago) link
I hate to have to spell this out but at root the issue is about being cool, and dorland is not cool. larson is bad too but this all started with dorland being weird and not cool
― mens rea activist (k3vin k.), Friday, 8 October 2021 01:27 (two years ago) link
donated a kidneyand seeks acclaimyou give writersa bad name sorrytruly i am
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 October 2021 01:47 (two years ago) link
real-life lol at that
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 8 October 2021 01:56 (two years ago) link
brilliant. truly.
― sknybrg, Friday, 8 October 2021 01:58 (two years ago) link
Lol, also where is this viking thread, cannot find
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, 8 October 2021 02:04 (two years ago) link
just don't do it. srsly
― mookieproof, Friday, 8 October 2021 02:14 (two years ago) link
kudos VG
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 8 October 2021 02:18 (two years ago) link
lol this was my relatable take too. It's the awkward dork wanting to sit at the cool kids table.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 8 October 2021 04:37 (two years ago) link
i tried to explain this story to my girl and all she wanted to know is why i would care about any of this nonsense and i was deeply ashamed to reply "uh... the discourse, i guess?"
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Friday, 8 October 2021 05:52 (two years ago) link
Simply too cringe, just not cool enough, for the elite coterie, that august literary salon, *checks notes* the chunky monkeys
― siffleur’s mom (wins), Friday, 8 October 2021 05:53 (two years ago) link
the chunky monkeys of grub street
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 8 October 2021 07:25 (two years ago) link
I hate to have to spell this out but at root the issue is about being cool, and dorland is not cool. larson is bad too but this all started with dorland being weird and not coollol this was my relatable take too. It's the awkward dork wanting to sit at the cool kids table.
I mean, the modern version of "the cool kids table" is effectively "a group of people who are shitty and awful to other people, who people 'like' out of fear of themselves becoming a target". I know a Dorland very well and he's totally harmless, I wouldn't ever call him out on his "narcissistic altruism" because at the end of the day his good work is still good work. I know a couple of Larsons too and they're the shittest people I've ever met
― kermit the grouch (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 9 October 2021 13:14 (two years ago) link
otm
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 October 2021 16:20 (two years ago) link
Isn't that pretty much the traditional version of the cool kids table too?
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 9 October 2021 16:48 (two years ago) link
ilx has a dorland-to-larson ratio of about 1:1 which is what keeps it exciting
― aegis philbin (crüt), Saturday, 9 October 2021 18:22 (two years ago) link
which are you crut
― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 9 October 2021 18:27 (two years ago) link
i think i’m a dorland (inwardly needy just not outwardly so lol)
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 October 2021 18:36 (two years ago) link
you're being too self-deprecating there, VG
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 9 October 2021 18:38 (two years ago) link
well i know i’m not a mean girl like larson
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 October 2021 18:42 (two years ago) link
i'm not sure that many of us are actually dorlands or larsons tbh though i guess there must be some
― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 9 October 2021 18:53 (two years ago) link
archetypes is all we’re talking here
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 October 2021 19:19 (two years ago) link
xps i'm needy and oblivious like dorland but my organs are d-tier at best
― aegis philbin (crüt), Saturday, 9 October 2021 19:22 (two years ago) link
So ILX is populated by plagiarists and victims of plagiarism? Bullies and victims of bullying? Organ donors and people who get mad about when people donate organs? Maybe I guess
It's hard to really get a sense of where Dorland falls on the axis of Martin Prince vs. Lisa Simpson but my read on this was that Larson was 100% in the wrong and it felt insane that the media was trying to spin it any other way
― kermit the grouch (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 9 October 2021 19:24 (two years ago) link
Being a needy dork doesn’t mean Dorland automatically deserves sympathy or empathy from anyone who’s not her therapist. And Larson isn’t obliged to like or patron someone who gets on her and other people’s nerves (which is unrelated to the question of whether Larson is a nice person or not.). From the article, I didn’t get any sense of scale a about how big this literary clique was – was it possible that Larson thought her story could slip under the radar without Dorland seeing it? In which case, not great but fine. If Dorland seeing the story was inevitable, then that’s pretty bad.
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 9 October 2021 19:49 (two years ago) link
(When she wrote it, that is, not when it got picked for a citywide story festival!)
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 9 October 2021 19:51 (two years ago) link
Sometimes- a lot of the time- being gormlessly annoying is quite enough of a sin in adult life tbh
― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Saturday, 9 October 2021 19:59 (two years ago) link
I don't think Dorland was expecting (or deserving of) sympathy and/or praise from Larson-- hoping for it, sure. I would imagine that the majority of the 30 participants in that private Facebook group were obliging Dorland with sympathy and praise. I think what Dorland was expecting was to not have her writing plagiarized, to get a truthful answer from Larson if the latter was using her presence on a private Facebook group as source material for a story. Larson lied, Larson was not only writing the story but was writing it to deliberately troll Dorland, Larson was not only using Dorland as source material for her short story but was brazenly plagiarizing Dorland's work and was leaving clues to ensure that Dorland would read the story and be gaslit by the subtweetiness of it. A media friend of mine said "the people out there who are expressing any sympathy/solidarity with Larson are just telling on themselves"
― kermit the grouch (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 9 October 2021 20:19 (two years ago) link