oh boy https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/magazine/dorland-v-larson.html
― Roz, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 17:06 (two years ago) link
That was something
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 18:40 (two years ago) link
everybody involved in that comes off as completely insane.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 19:33 (two years ago) link
otmalso is it just me or is it ~insane~ that this spun so out of control that it went to court? it feels very high schooldolman seems defensive to an unhinged degree & larson seems petty to the point where a different word might need to be invented(but i love Robert Kolker & it’s a v good article!)
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 19:38 (two years ago) link
https://my-store-c0e211.creator-spring.com/listing/writers-no-care-about-my-kidne
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 19:45 (two years ago) link
it’s absolutely high school clique shit perpetuated by hacks who think they’re doing something important.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 19:47 (two years ago) link
amazing story
― mens rea activist (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 19:54 (two years ago) link
When Larson discusses “The Kindest” now, the idea that it’s about a kidney donation at all seems almost irrelevant. If that hadn’t formed the story’s pretext, she believes, it would have been something else. “It’s like saying that ‘Moby Dick’ is a book about whales,” she said.
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 19:56 (two years ago) link
i mean i don’t know how long it’s been since she read Moby Dick but i’m finishing it right now and let me tell you that dude fucking loves whales
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 19:57 (two years ago) link
it's a crazy fucking story for sure
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 19:59 (two years ago) link
tfw you pay so much attention to the subtext you just ignore the text part completely
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 19:59 (two years ago) link
Iirc Moby Dick is about a white supremicist who beats his wife
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 20:02 (two years ago) link
I left that conference with this question: Do writers not care about my kidney donation?
I think I can answer that for you!
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 20:06 (two years ago) link
Everyone involved should option the story rights to whichever Coen brother is still making movies.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 20:08 (two years ago) link
Dorland seems like way too earnest a person to be hanging around with fiction writers
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 20:08 (two years ago) link
If you directly ask someone to explain why they haven't clicked "like" on your social media post your name is going on the ostracon, sorry
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 20:19 (two years ago) link
I left that conference with this question: Do writers not care about my kidney donation? pic.twitter.com/eKqBcJ8RKv— allison (@allisongeroi) October 5, 2021
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 20:20 (two years ago) link
lmao
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 20:21 (two years ago) link
he also was really into boats too, i think?
― sarahell, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 20:43 (two years ago) link
Dorland seems like a moron and Larson seems mean-spirited. Meh.
― I'm a sovereign jazz citizen (the table is the table), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 21:16 (two years ago) link
Tbh I hated Dorland more while reading the article, tho.
― I'm a sovereign jazz citizen (the table is the table), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 21:17 (two years ago) link
Why am I not being recognized for this fully selfless act that I have done?
― And of course the worms! (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 21:42 (two years ago) link
On the one hand literally no-one's life is improved by this story existing or anyone thinking about it for an appreciable amount of time.
On the other hand
“I think I’m DONE with the kidney story but I feel nervous about sending it out b/c it literally has sentences that I verbatim grabbed from Dawn’s letter on FB. I’ve tried to change it but I can’t seem to — that letter was just too damn good. I’m not sure what to do … feeling morally compromised/like a good artist but a shitty person.”
Like, if you can't rewrite the letter then you're also a pretty shitty artist?
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 21:48 (two years ago) link
ffs just rewrite it! stupidest game of chicken ever
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 21:58 (two years ago) link
Isn't part of the point of Kidney Person (and Cat Person) about digital culture? The literary world has always been filled with those angered by ungrateful borrowers; it's just that electronic connectivity makes the borrowing easier and viral coverage makes the grievances louder.— Steven Zeitchik (@zeitchikWaPo) October 5, 2021
― ... (Eazy), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 23:47 (two years ago) link
Just ask the recipient to tattoo your name above their surgery scar - 'Kidney Provided By Kidney Person.'
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 23:56 (two years ago) link
Embarrassed kidney recipient returns kidney to kidney person following kidney donation literary Clusterfuck
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 00:00 (two years ago) link
"Dialysis was less of a pain than this bullshit."
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 00:03 (two years ago) link
I see why people are bringing up Cat Person, but I don't really see the comparison.
Kidney Person is - leaving aside all the Facebook/group chat drama - a pretty standard case of someone writing an unflattering story directly inspired by someone they know, where they try to scrub identifiable details but ultimately everyone can tell. The letter makes it a bit more complicated, but this is still the kind of line that writers step over all the time.
Cat Person, on the other hand, is a very weird stalking story in which the writer seems to have gone out of their way to dig up identifying details about a specific person they don't know and use those details in a way that makes her instantly recognizable to people who know her. Very different and much worse imo.
― Lily Dale, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 00:06 (two years ago) link
This is classic shitty bully in-group taking advantage of feckless awkward needy loser, and for once not getting away with it, so for that alone I hope Dorland wins.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 02:05 (two years ago) link
haha well said
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 02:09 (two years ago) link
true
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 02:25 (two years ago) link
Before clicking on the article I read the ilx commentary on it and decided it wasn't worth pursuing.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 02:50 (two years ago) link
Yeah, this thing is manufactured to create Twitter discourse.
― jmm, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 03:01 (two years ago) link
dolman the kidney donor also apparently pitched the story to NYT herselflike, lmao lady calm tf down
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 03:19 (two years ago) link
haha i kind of suspected that
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 03:20 (two years ago) link
I think she basically had 2 things in her life she felt good about, the writing group and the kidney donation, and sure she was weird about the latter, but then the group turned out to be backstabbing arseholes who stole the kidney thing, no wonder she lost it.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 04:00 (two years ago) link
a (strange) woman on the verge of a (litigious) breakdown
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 04:08 (two years ago) link
god i felt so much secondhand embarrassment reading that article. larson is a fucking idiot for ever using that letter verbatim - she appears to be a pretty seasoned writer, shouldn't she know better?? but dorland is just... too much. its weird as fuck to notice your writer friends aren't acknowledging your so-called altruistic donation and call them out about it. who does that?? that's so cringey and completely lacking in self awareness. and then the way she just harped on about it to larson in repeated emails and texts before she even knew her letter had been used.
technically, i think larson is in the wrong, but dorland is even more unlikeable than her. i think i'm also heavily biased because i've been dealing with a coworker who is like dorland, but ratcheted up by a 1000.
― just1n3, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 05:12 (two years ago) link
kidney bean
― siffleur’s mom (wins), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 07:36 (two years ago) link
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 02:05 (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
this totally
i couldn't give a rats ass about the legal whatnots of this and the story sounds pretty awful to be honest and while I agree that dorland sounds like a nightmare, this larson character sounds much more horrible. Like i would probably give dorling a wide berth but there is something very duplicitous and predatory about larson's behaviour and the cosiness of the grub street club that sounds very familiar. it seems obvious that dorling is a fragile, difficult character who it is not wise or kind to treat in the way larson did here but fundamentally it seems unjustified to write such a thin and judgemental story; her 'borrowing' craven and dressed up in far more self-righteousness and justification than the original dorling facebook messages. she at least did give someone her fn kidney. also as tracer hand has pointed out her very silly comment about moby dick either shows she has never read it or that she fundamentally knows that she nabbed a juicy story from facebook and that her story's primary interest is its tabloid salaciousness.
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 09:15 (two years ago) link
anyway because i am shallow and mean i enjoyed reading this
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 09:16 (two years ago) link
otm“Kind of a nightmare” is exactly the phrase I would have used for dorling but the writers group is more like “basically the worst people in the world”
― siffleur’s mom (wins), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 09:31 (two years ago) link
Good artists/worst people
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 10:03 (two years ago) link
haha i mean i could go along with that but sometimes people are mediocre artists and rubbish people
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 10:07 (two years ago) link
the cycle of novels i am basing on ilx will make proust look like custos
― mark s, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 10:11 (two years ago) link
^^^ x1000
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 10:12 (two years ago) link
whoops, xpost
But that too
james morrison already supplying my rave cover blurbs
― mark s, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 10:13 (two years ago) link