2008 Primaries Thread

how many delegates does edwards have at this point and what happens to them?

last i heard he has about 26. since his campaign is in suspension, they still "belong" to him, once he is completely out, I think they are up for grabs - gabbneb?

i'll pass, thanx

Are they good on crackers?

26 might just be enough for him to play kingmaker though?

latest stuff on TV is saying that if they keep splitting states at the current pace, a brokered convention is inevitable.

apparently people are saying ''fuck you'' to WA primary. lol GOP delegates

last i heard he has about 26. since his campaign is in suspension, they still "belong" to him, once he is completely out, I think they are up for grabs - gabbneb?

-- gershy, Saturday, 9 February 2008 05:08 (12 minutes ago) Link

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i'll pass, thanx

-- gabbneb, Saturday, 9 February 2008 05:09

lol

fucking hippies

xp

last i heard he has about 26. since his campaign is in suspension, they still "belong" to him, once he is completely out, I think they are up for grabs - gabbneb?

No, they’ve been freed. They can move where they’d like.

actually i own those delegates - not really sure what im doin w/them tho

joe can i have one? i will trade you a libble invite.

yah sure np

ugh what a crazy year if all this excitement and turnout leads to one of the candidates getting handed the nom in a back room deal. bad things will happen.

also can we get a primary election reform movement going as soon as this fucker wraps up?

actually i own those delegates - not really sure what im doin w/them tho

Add water, watch them grow, and be amazed!

also can we get a primary election reform movement going as soon as this fucker wraps up?

yeah, remember how we got rid of that archaic and troublesome electoralol college?

im thinking party will do everything they can to prevent a brokered convention - baselessly speculative prediction should neither candidate collect enough delegates to wrap up the nom: party mucky-mucks superdelegates et al anoint delegate leader pre-convention by convincing 2nd place candidate to concede due to hopelessness of superdelegates uniting against her.

bad things that should not happen: superdelegates swinging the election, mich/fla delegates seated. im thinking the dem leadership is well aware how much either of those options would hurt their credibility in the general election.

mich/fla delegates seated

yeah, that won't happen. Those stupid monkeys would be scraping their own poo off the walls for years.

I guess maybe that's where the phrase "shit fit" comes from?

by convincing 2nd place candidate to concede due to hopelessness of superdelegates uniting against her.

Ha! I love how the pronoun tells the entire story in that sentence.

Obama is the male Oprah.

Also, you're right, I'm afraid. No, wait... not afraid... what's the word?... THRILLED! That's it. Hillary can't beat McCain, she just can't. He would hulk smash her, and the dems know it whether they're saying it yet or not. I ain't no swing voter, and I would come within an inch of voting for McCain myself. The only shot she ever had was to run against another moron or really divisive candidate, but no, apparently republicans are not suicidal, and they're picking a guy who can actually win.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/08/obama-leads-clinton-by-on_n_85799.html

its pissing me off that the ap is counting the superdelegates in their tally when superdelegates can do whatever they want - it doesnt matter who they claim to support they can change their minds any time - its like awarding an election through polling instead of voting!

according to that article obama is leading clinton in super-tuesday delegates by 2 w/91 yet to be awarded due to slow counting.

id still give hillary a slight edge over mccain just cause of the current political climate - but yah if hillary gets the nomination ill be v v v afraid

joe u got any delegates left? email me?

its pissing me off that the ap is counting the superdelegates in their tally when superdelegates can do whatever they want

They need to be called something other than "superdelegates" for starters, and then their awesome power would be taken seriously. As it is, people assume they have something to do with elections in Japan.

Superdelegates get to choose the next Boredoms members.

y sure max - im looking for guess papers btw

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/09/nyregion/09about.html?ref=politics

NYT article says "Catholic Vote is Harbinger of Success For Clinton".

Does it matter whom Catholics like Mr. Quinn voted for in the Democratic primaries? By November, it may not. Still, Catholics, who make up about a quarter of the registered voters in the country, have backed the winner of the national popular vote for at least the last nine presidential elections, going back to 1972.

lol this article knowing its ridiculous but soldiering on anyway w/nary a mention of catholics predictive powers in dem primaries.

The Democrats have it exactly wrong. Hillary is the easier candidate, Mr. Obama the tougher. Hillary brings negative; it's fair to hit her back with negative. Mr. Obama brings hope, and speaks of a better way. He's not Bambi, he's bulletproof.

The biggest problem for the Republicans will be that no matter what they say that is not issue oriented--"He's too young, he's never run anything, he's not fully baked"--the mainstream media will tag them as dealing in racial overtones, or undertones. You can bet on this. Go to the bank on it.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120241915915951669.html?mod=rss_opinion_main

Ornicus points out that while what Schuster said was obviously repellent, Matthews says worse shit every night and gets away with it.

if hillary gets the nomination ill be v v v afraid

That she might lose and McCain would win? Shit, man. I seriously might have to sit that election out and let the cards fall. Hillary is not my candidate at all, except on those few big social issues that we're all supposed to foul our shorts about and base our votes on, and I am weary of that. Other matters are at hand, and neither candidate is going to be spending a lot of time thinking about the contents of uteruses once they have to seriously, honestly start rebuilding the infrastructure of a thoroughly fucked-up country. (Am I talking about Iraq? Well, let's see what the weather does this year.)

I am unconvinced that McCain has lost leave of his senses and turned 180 degrees on everything he has ever said he believed in his whole career. Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter will back me up here! It's why they hate him. It would be great fun to watch them both vote for Hillary, like they say they will. I do not think a McCain presidency would be anything like a disaster. Even his position on the war, turncoat as it seems, isn't, like, nuts.

"Obama and Clinton 'will withdraw our forces from Iraq based on an arbitrary timetable' without regard to consequences, he said. He will heed the advice of the commanders there."

WELL FUCK ME SIDEWAYS, FINALLY SOMEBODY WILL!

The commanders will be so shit-happy they'll put up a giant red white and blue banner on an aircraft carrier that says UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT.

I'm sorry, that post got away from me. What I meant to type was GO OBAMA.

Mellencamp to McCain: Uh, you prob don't wanna use my songs, bro

"Logic says that the facts might prove to be an embarrassment" — namely that Mellencamp had in fact been backing John Edwards.

That's the work of either a sloppy editor or one with a sense of humor.

Hoos that article was linked and mentioned here yesterday. then again lol 8000 posts this thread could prolly use a nighttime news team to repeat today's top stories.

haha

damn i need to cut back on the "haha"s & the "lol"s

this thread was founded on lols. you owe it your allegiance.

8120+ messages so far.

Shit, seeing as how we're going to have daily new threads once the election hits, lets see if we can break that record.

so let's talk huck. He's basically staying in this race because A)he's getting delegates for cheap, and B)good christian souljas like Dobson are pressuring him to keep it up. He know's mccain will get crowned, and I think he'd rather be on the receiving end of a mccain teabag than oppose him. He's gotta tread pretty lightly here, right?

yeah. that's actually a slightly scarier ticket than any i can think of.

16 years of these assholes is a pretty big percentage of the what like 6000 years planet earth has been around.

on the receiving end of a mccain teabag

ew ew why

there will be nightmares now

repubs know how to use the oval office, too.

Howard Dean has said he's gonna bring this thing to a close if we don't have a decision after Pennsylvania on 4/22. fwiw, of course, but I doubt it goes on beyond that because the states that follow should have less impact than the bigger ones before them, and shouldn't tell us anything we don't already know. sure, if things are still tied up, there could be a desire for a delegate fight, but I think there would be significant pressure from not just the dnc but the base too to band together for the good of the party, quite possibly by forming a ticket. if Hillary is leading, I think Obama magnanimously falls in line with the knowledge that the remaining schedule doesn't really favor him, and accepts the Veep slot or goes back to wait his turn. if Obama's leading, and Hillary doesn't do the same, I think Dean plus the institutional forces already aligned with Obama - Kennedy, Daschle, etc. - plus perhaps a Gore endorsement, will be able to quash her going forward.

the thing is, I sorta suspect that Hillary has the upper hand given natural advantages in the big March and April states. the question is whether the momentum and coverage of the next four weeks of Obama winning and Hillary losing will be enough to get him to or beyond parity when we get to OH and maybe PA.

I suppose saying that Hillary's got the Catholic vote is more tactful than the NYT's saying that white ethnics and hispanics aren't so comfortable with the hugely successful young black guy filled with apparent ease. And that the later generations like Obama because he's young, not because they feel more enfranchised and identify less with the immigrant experience. Just like the relatively comfortable set of independents and lean-Republicans to whom Obama appeals and Hillary does not. It's an important point, tho - the Clintons have something here that Obama doesn't, which is a problem for him in the primaries. The question is whether it's actually a problem in the general. Fortunately, two of Obama's better Veep candidates - Sebelius and Biden - are Catholic, and old enough (perhaps just in Sebelius' case) to reassure earlier generations. I won't bring up Teddy again, but would note that Chris Dodd fits the bill too, tho he's also a somewhat unlikely choice. Other younger and (much?) more unlikely Catholics include Tim Kaine, Brian Schweitzer, and Ken Salazar. Presumably left-field pick Tony Zinni, who's about Biden's age, would fit the bill as well.

Napolitano's Catholic, too, but can we all pls not pretend that we're gonna put anyone who's single on a ticket?