Which film critics do you trust (if any?)

don't think many filmmakers know 'what's going on in painting' -- i know what he means, but film writing has a long history of 1) colonisation by literary types 2) needing to 'measure up' to more socially respectable media...

(also, impudent harlot sez NL is sexy in the flesh)

btw, Godfrey Cheshire, sorely missed in NY, reps for Flawless.

http://www.indyweek.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A256779

don't think many filmmakers know 'what's going on in painting' -- i know what he means, but film writing has a long history of 1) colonisation by literary types 2) needing to 'measure up' to more socially respectable media...

So? All these tensions are good!

sometimes

has anyone seen Profit motive and the whispering wind? I will tonight, and just found out it's by maker of The Mad Songs of Fernanda Hussein which I truly truly loathed.

Did you catch H1dden In Plain S1ght too?

I like everything Lee says but this: "No one who takes movies seriously takes [Anthony Lane] remotely seriously." I don't take stridency seriously.

i know what he means, but film writing has a long history of 1) colonisation by literary types 2) needing to 'measure up' to more socially respectable media...

yeah but i think he just means being able to connect it to the culture. which i mostly agree with. although it's also a trap like anything, it can provide boxes or frames that things get crammed into whether they belong there or not.

i don't think taking anthony lane seriously is really an option anthony lane intends to provide. but when he really loves something, i like his enthusiasm.

wow ed gonzalez really does kinda hate everything haha

lololol

frequently disagree with anthony lane, but there are far worse serious-critics-who-one-should-take-seriously around. there is probably a touch of jealous haterade, what with him 1) being generally feted as a dece writer, style-wise 2) getting real paid.

I'm told Anthony Lane gets miffed if you used "dece" in his presence.

Did you catch H1dden In Plain S1ght too?

went with the territory. zzzzzzzzzzzz

Ed G hates mostly what's worth hating.

holy cow this armond white thing sets some kind of new standard for incoherence, even by his standards. (and i sort of like his incoherence, it's his defining quality, but still.) by the end i have no idea at all what he's talking about, except that he doesn't like roger ebert and mumblecore and thinks "movies must affirm our humanity." he doesn't like populists, doesn't like elitists, doesn't like bloggers, thinks pop is either underrated or overrated depending on some opaque critieria, doesn't like "art for art's sake" but wants more david gordon green and julian hernandez ...

really, can anyone find a throughline in that? it has some good lines, but if there's a thesis there beyond I AM RIGHT AND THE WORLD IS WRONG i can't find it.

(bumping this becz i'd like to hear anyone else's take on armond's rant. i need to learn not to revive threads at 3 in the morning.)

there's lots of stuff on the Armond thread revived last week. Here.

ah thankx.

...and ok, so, everybody else says it's incoherent too. good to know. now i can go back to not thinking about armond white.

does anyone have links to his eighties rockcrit?

now:

http://www.jonathanrosenbaum.com/

Also, Nathan Lee back to NY Times (Wong's As Tears Go By today).

http://projectionbooth.blogspot.com/2008/05/bad-journalism-pet-peeves-of-film.html

yeesh.

i mean, calling an article "bad journalism" and leading with a sentence as unreadable as "The results of it can be seen in the recent slaughtering of Speed Racer by the likes of a majority vote at Rotten Tomatoes (and many others aside), while the start of it, I think, can be seen in the kind of slandering going on right now at The House Next Door as regards the recently announced remake of Abel Ferrara's Bad Lieutenant, directed by Werner Herzog (!) and starring Nicholas Cage (!$%@)"...

Maybe, but sentences like that are my downfall as a writer. My editors are constantly telling me they get a headache whenever my sentences get to their fourth or fifth clause.

But I use long sentences to give the short ones that extra element of surprise.

I use dull, medium-length sentences to a similar purpose.

sentences like "This is a simple pitfall but its devastation is one muted in its effects, as we tend to mistake it for legitimate thought, uncritical of our own mental processes" and "And so we continue leaning on our crutches as we sit down in the middle of the auditorium about twice as far back from the screen as the screen is tall (that's how I do it, anyway)" and "The Star Wars prequels and Matrix sequels saw mostly venom, the unforgiving kind like in the Alien films (speaking of bad sequels...), eating away at the ship, damaging the infrastructure" totally give me a headache.

The biggest problem with that blog entry is that Rob simply drops the names of films as though mere mention of his allegiance toward this movie or against that movie (i.e. Hulk and Iron Man, respectively) stands in as an example of independent thought.

But the intent is sort of OTM, about the gangpiling aspect of Internet discourse..

Not that this hasn't been noted and unpacked many a time before, on basically every ILX film thread from 2004 thru 2006.

i guess. i think bad writing is a worse problem than gangbanging opinions to be honest.

It's a blog.

ok...

i guess i just dont think it's a problem full stop. who cares if 80% of newspaper critics dont like speed racer

I mean, not to be completely defeatist about it, but yes, the writing aspect would raise my ire a lot more if it appeared in Film Comment or something. But in blog form, I'm almost always paying more attention to whatever it is the writer's trying to convey.

I'm not arguing that stripping the entry of all reference to specific films would've done a lot more to bolster his argument.

that's what i was trying to do too! hard to take bad writing about bad writing seriously tho. i'm not even sure what exactly he's saying.

(Then again, in reading it again, that would've removed about 80% of the content.)

reference to specific articles would have helped. his ideas are almost completely unsupported.

it's a blog.

what year did "unpack" become a synonym for deconstruct? sounds like work.

isn't the whole post just about being hypersensitive to the sensation that talking about films in most internet quarters is a matter of liking the movies/filmmakers with cred and tearing down the usual suspects? It's all a completely subjective stance anyway.

On another note, the idea that the relentlessly self-assured Mike D'Angelo and his vocational nine lives can't even get work as a freelance critic these days has me pretty down in the dumps about the scene.

i guess it's just not an issue i'm too passionate about haha! xp

ya i'm holding onto my staff job with my fingernails.

(as well as thinking about other options just in case...)

although to be honest my job involves editing & planning, i'm a section editor and not just a staff critic.

which would be a sweet job.

Honestly, I can see why it's an anomaly such things exist.

And I have to hope that's not just schadenfreude talking.

(FT film critic jobs, I mean)

ya. it's really NOT full-time work unless you take 8-16 hours to write a review.

That's exactly what MDA admitted on his blog. He said it was rare he ever put more than 15 hours in a week on the gig.

It could probably be more if you're the sole critic for a city paper. Chris Hewitt at the St. Paul Pioneer Press handles the duties entirely by himself, to the tune of 8-10 movies a week sometimes.