A statement from Jeremy Scahill https://t.co/UdZ20tNmRF— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) November 1, 2020
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 2 November 2020 02:43 (three years ago) link
Scahill has always struck me as a straight shooter.
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 2 November 2020 13:07 (three years ago) link
i could do with far less 'comment' on the intercept. their investigative stuff makes it worth reading and it would be more powerful with less editorialising.
― plax (ico), Monday, 2 November 2020 13:19 (three years ago) link
like bullshit clickbait thinkpieces for the nytimes etc only please, this is serious.
― plax (ico), Monday, 2 November 2020 13:20 (three years ago) link
longread (from march last year) on the single most significant act of the omidyar-greenwald gang = the public shuttering (or let's say privatisation) that same month of the snowden archive, and how this shuttering jigsaws into omidyar's changing interests as a billionaire:
https://washingtonbabylon.com/why-did-omidyar-shut-down-the-intercepts-snowden-archive/
greenwald purportedly still has a copy (as does poitras) but of course no one knows what the agreement now is about its further use between greenwald and omidyar (who i think in effect now owns it) -- and anyway gg's basically a pundit-aggregator and absolutely not the kind of journalist or scholar who could explore the archive productively
― mark s, Monday, 2 November 2020 16:10 (three years ago) link
The news appeared in The Daily Beast, a center-right entertainment publication that’s known for its slanted, neocon-tinged reporting on Russia and North Korea.
lol. Writer would fit in around here.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 2 November 2020 16:18 (three years ago) link
I'm gonna take the tweeter's word for it and not read 50,000 words of Greenwald's bullshit to find out for myself.
He finally admits it. Greenwald says Trump was a better president than Obama LOL https://t.co/gBIBQ1dmIm— Get the kids out of cages (@ADC_PHL) November 8, 2020
― but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 8 November 2020 03:13 (three years ago) link
It sorta says that . My skim of it leads me to think Greenwald believes that Trump droning more Non-American civilians than Obama is less evil than Obama droning an American father and son. Plus Obama did droning before Trump so that somehow makes him worse. Also since some of Trump’s other evil deeds were previously done by Obama and Bush, that makes Trump less bad. But Greenwald seems more obsessed with journalists and never Trump former Bushies turned cable news commentators talking about Trump than with condemning actual evil deeds.
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 8 November 2020 04:14 (three years ago) link
did Glenn not read the fucking story published in the goddamn Intercept about how civilian casualties had vastly increased under Trump
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Sunday, 8 November 2020 04:18 (three years ago) link
Does Glenn Greenwald seem like a guy who reads to you
― The Bosom Manor Michaelmas Special (silby), Sunday, 8 November 2020 04:19 (three years ago) link
I expected better from someone whose name is an anagram for, uh, "glen glen nw read"
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Sunday, 8 November 2020 04:27 (three years ago) link
ever-tauter and more persuasive prose now that gg's shaken off the tyranny of all those deep-state intercept editors
― mark s, Sunday, 8 November 2020 13:49 (three years ago) link
― The Bosom Manor Michaelmas Special (silby)
He seems like a guy who shouts at me
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 November 2020 14:03 (three years ago) link
I think GG definitely reads anything with the words “Glenn Greenwald” in it
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 8 November 2020 14:16 (three years ago) link
When is he going to rip off the mask and call Obama a nigger
― DJP, Sunday, 8 November 2020 14:26 (three years ago) link
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― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 8 November 2020 14:59 (three years ago) link
If Trump is responsible for “killing 235,000 Americans” because they died of the coronavirus while he was in office, can the same be said of the governments of France and Spain which, despite much smaller populations, presided over almost 40,000 deaths each, or the governments of Belgium, Peru, Argentina, Mexico and Chile which have comparable or higher per capita death rates from the coronavirus than the U.S., or WHO officials who told people not to wear masks even when the CDC said the opposite?
when you think about it its really true, the governments of france and mexico and the WHO are the real villains of the trump era, you neolib bootlickers
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Sunday, 8 November 2020 15:34 (three years ago) link
if trump spent the past year working with experts and both state and federal officials to craft a coherent national response, and we still had this number of deaths, it would be a different story.
the reason is "blamed" for the abysmal outcome is because he has spent the past year picking fights with governors, insulting his own pandemic response team, flouting health regulations, and generally acting like the virus is a liberal hoax, which is a dangerous belief that many of his supporters hold. he's pouring gasoline on it.
like everything else, he made the virus about himself. it's ridiculous that someone cannot see that.
― treeship., Sunday, 8 November 2020 15:43 (three years ago) link
is it "fair" to "blame him" for "all the deaths"? no, i guess not. but is it fair that we had a president who didn't even try to protect the population from the largest health crisis in a generation?
― treeship., Sunday, 8 November 2020 15:44 (three years ago) link
he withdrew from the WHO during a global pandemic for petty personal reasons. it's crazy. you don't need to like obama to recognize that trump's behavior has been obscene. he is an obscenity.
― treeship., Sunday, 8 November 2020 15:45 (three years ago) link
trump-is-bad content off the greenwald-is-bad thread plz
― mark s, Sunday, 8 November 2020 15:58 (three years ago) link
Greenwald is right that Trump did not start the Iraq War
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 8 November 2020 16:28 (three years ago) link
The frightening spectre of a Dictatorial Menace also led liberal advocacy groups such as the ACLU to drown in previously unimaginable quantities of #Resistance cash, frenetically donated in the name of stopping Trump’s incomparable evil. Rotted and discredited institutions like the CIA, NSA and FBI re-branded themselves as patriotic guardians of liberal democracy and stalwart protectors of a besieged population. Leaders of those security state agencies went from toppling governments, engineering clandestine coups, disseminating disinformation campaigns, illegally spying on citizens, and entrapping young Muslims in manufactured terror plots to being lavished with book deals and cable news contracts and celebrated in liberal parlors as saviors rather than destroyers of democratic institutions and Enlightenment values.
Bit of a stretch to put ACLU in with CIA no?
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Sunday, 8 November 2020 19:53 (three years ago) link
Hard to articulate as I'm hungover but, GG's catalogue of Bush and Obama era horrors didn't seem incorrect so much as missing the particular 'nervous breakdown' character of the Trump presidency - smashing up CDC, EPA etc.
Or to put it another way, Bush and to an extent Obama used the spaceship to do loads of stupid, terrible shit whereas Captain Trump just deliberately rammed asteroids and threw people out of airlocks on a whim. Greenwald seems to not like the spaceship and think it just needs to be blown up?
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Sunday, 8 November 2020 20:02 (three years ago) link
Like what does GG actually want America to be, or do? A kind of pre-WWI style isolationist foreign policy, with socialist domestic policy? I know 'Well how would you do things differently' is a sucky answer to a criticism of something but after getting through ten paras I find myself thinking it
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Sunday, 8 November 2020 20:07 (three years ago) link
Yeah the media went after trump for a four-year feeding frenzy, and yeah, some of it was bullshit, but the idea that Trump is basically Obama is hot-take BS. Trump literally got onstage after his team recommended mask-wearing and proclaimed he wouldn’t be wearing a mask. That alone probably added 50k to the body count. And as Noam said recently, Trump is the only world leader to call for MORE fossil fuel consumption, which is inexplicably spiteful and evil.
― DJI, Sunday, 8 November 2020 20:38 (three years ago) link
weird seeing glenn bashing the ACLU considering how vigorously he defended them from criticism when they were demanding respect for the nazi free speech that killed heather heyer. I guess he just goes where the racism is
― a nice person (Left), Sunday, 8 November 2020 20:41 (three years ago) link
I don’t know about other nations but as someone with a french passport, yes, the same can be said of France, absolutely.
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 8 November 2020 21:04 (three years ago) link
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Sunday, November 8, 2020 10:34 AM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
you can’t just pick the non-US countries with the worst outbreaks and say ‘since Trump only did a bit worse than them it’s not so bad’. that’s called selecting on the dependent variable, and it mechanically creates a bias. the relevant counterfactual for the US is some average over all other comparable countries. canada for example, which would have a high weight in such a counterfactual, has tiny death per capita relative to the US
― flopson, Sunday, 8 November 2020 21:15 (three years ago) link
given how rich, warm, and dry much of the US is, you’d actually expect it to have less deaths than an average european country
― flopson, Sunday, 8 November 2020 21:16 (three years ago) link
It’s really dumb because the answer is clearly “...yes, of course the same can be said of those countries”All govts with shitty pandemic responses can be held responsible for them, who’d argue otherwise
― Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Sunday, 8 November 2020 21:18 (three years ago) link
Maybe it’s more common than I think but it’s seems to me that a vast majority of Trump haters, also hated the Bush administration, right?
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 8 November 2020 21:24 (three years ago) link
It’s really dumb because the answer is clearly “...yes, of course the same can be said of those countries”
All govts with shitty pandemic responses can be held responsible for them, who’d argue otherwise
― Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Sunday, November 8, 2020 4:18 PM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
not every country with a bad outbreak had a bad response. that’s most true for the first wave (when tests didn’t even exist and everyone was in the dark while it spread) but still very true for second and third. there’s a large element of randomness in which outbreaks will get bad due to things like network positions of the initial seeding and populations compliance with tracing. most of the cross-regional variation in deaths can’t be explained by policy
― flopson, Sunday, 8 November 2020 21:35 (three years ago) link
Yeah the people GG is picking a fight with here - people who haaaaate Trump but lurrrrve Obama and Bush - don't sound like a very large bloc
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 9 November 2020 19:46 (three years ago) link
Also people tend to get most annoyed with today's horrible disaster rather than yesterday's
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 9 November 2020 19:47 (three years ago) link
Like what does GG actually want America to be, or do?
to pay attention to him
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Monday, 9 November 2020 19:51 (three years ago) link
idk about lurrrve but there are definitely quite a lot of "I never liked him but at least he brought dIgNiTy tO tHe OfFiCe" people out there xp
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 9 November 2020 19:51 (three years ago) link
Are you talking about W, because the most common take I've seen is "I thought W was embarrassing but Trump blows him out of the water" which is not at all the same thing
― DJP, Monday, 9 November 2020 19:58 (three years ago) link
I've seen plenty of both tbh
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 9 November 2020 19:59 (three years ago) link
Most of the W luvvin comes from semi official propaganda and pr slush pieces afaik - though it is there - more so than from like actual people
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 9 November 2020 20:05 (three years ago) link
I just think most people who call Trump a white supremacist authoritarian are also very likely to see the Iraq and Afghanistan war as disasters.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 9 November 2020 21:09 (three years ago) link
and I would agree with GG that, as a society, it’s time to let go of Frum.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 9 November 2020 22:47 (three years ago) link
Cosign
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 9 November 2020 23:16 (three years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnDMFYmXIAUvxLr?format=jpg&name=900x900
― anvil, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 08:26 (three years ago) link
The CIA, the FBI, workplace managers, editors, the guy at the shop that makes me leave when they close up for the day, the Nazis, traffic lights and the people who make them, mom.
― anvil, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 08:29 (three years ago) link
Glemm's on fire (and running into the flammable curtains setting his entire apartment ablaze)
Hey Glenn,Good to hear from you. I’ve got a few questions.https://t.co/ehaIKfRntZ— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) November 16, 2020
― Change Display Name: (stevie), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 14:12 (three years ago) link
Those are all stories I broke in the last year.Should I have not reported those?Should I not have worked the phones for months, then slaughtered my mental health writing these stories?I don’t know. Maybe I should’ve just shut up.But that kind of feels like… censorship.— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) November 16, 2020
not defending glenn but iirc someone calling you a "dweeb" on twitter =/= censorship
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 14:19 (three years ago) link
Glenn accused them of censorship first? Do you think Collins was "censor[ing]... the voices that are most threatening to them"?
― Change Display Name: (stevie), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 15:55 (three years ago) link
I mean that's clearly why Collins described it as "censorship" - did you not read the Glenn tweet he quoted?
― Change Display Name: (stevie), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 15:56 (three years ago) link
I did, I still thought his use of "censorship" there was a bit silly
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 16:10 (three years ago) link