This is properly hilarious, though:
ATTENTION: Cis author John Boyne, who spun out into transphobia when criticized for his poorly-developed trans novel My Brother's Name Is Jessica, has accidentally put zelda recipes in his new historical fiction book pic.twitter.com/KpHfio6S8h— Nightling Bug 🗝️ (@NightlingBug) August 3, 2020
― emil.y, Monday, 3 August 2020 15:06 (three years ago) link
omg I saw someone else tweet about that but didn’t clock that it was the same author - that is gold!
― Roz, Monday, 3 August 2020 15:37 (three years ago) link
Awesome.
― jmm, Monday, 3 August 2020 15:38 (three years ago) link
kinda sad it's this dumbass because his response was pretty funny... he just didn't really care that much!
― avellano medio inglĂ©s (f. hazel), Monday, 3 August 2020 15:41 (three years ago) link
I wonder how many proofreaders passed over "Octorok eyeball" without batting an eye.
― jmm, Monday, 3 August 2020 15:42 (three years ago) link
― avellano medio inglés (f. hazel)
Thing is, if it is historical fiction as stated in the tweet, that's not really very funny. If it were magical realism/fantasy in a historical milieu, then fair enough, we can all have laughs together. And it definitely makes me wonder about proofing/editing - were there instructions not to fact check, or are they massively understaffed, or was there just a huge failure on the part of the editorial team?
― emil.y, Monday, 3 August 2020 15:58 (three years ago) link
Their stories will intertwine and evolve over the course of two thousand years. They will meet again and again at different times and in different places. From Palestine at the dawn of the first millennium and journeying across fifty countries to a life among the stars in the third, the world will change around them, but their destinies remain the same. It must play out as foretold.
seems to be pretty loose historical fiction
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 3 August 2020 16:02 (three years ago) link
That does sound a lot like Zelda, tbf.
― jmm, Monday, 3 August 2020 16:03 (three years ago) link
A bit of wiggle room, then. I'd still hope that if you're doing something set in multiple times and places you'd aim for a teeny-tiny bit of accuracy in your portrayals, and not Zelda recipes, but maybe that's just me.
xp lol
― emil.y, Monday, 3 August 2020 16:08 (three years ago) link
I read too much hilariously dumb shit about how language works by ostensibly smart non-linguists to be surprised that most historical fiction is lazily written and wildly inaccurate
― avellano medio inglĂ©s (f. hazel), Monday, 3 August 2020 16:27 (three years ago) link
and lol jmm you are 100% right
― avellano medio inglĂ©s (f. hazel), Monday, 3 August 2020 16:29 (three years ago) link
I mean, surely the proofreader at least wanted to check that the singular form of Lizalfos is Lizalfos and not Lizalfo (it is in fact Lizalfos)?
― avellano medio inglĂ©s (f. hazel), Monday, 3 August 2020 16:41 (three years ago) link
thanking all my teachers in my mfa thesis EXCEPT dean young, who refused to meet with me on campus yet hung out and drank with my male classmates, & whose response to my request for a rec letter was "your work is not part of my workload"—it really is the little things :')— annelyse gelman (@annelysegelman) August 6, 2020
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 7 August 2020 12:18 (three years ago) link
Thread
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 7 August 2020 12:19 (three years ago) link
Young is one of the notorious ones in this regard, it sucks that so many have been treated unfairly and placed in a hostile environment by writing programs that ignore complaints about him.
That said, Gelman is an awful poet, as are a majority of the people coming out of the UT program— bourgeois careerist twaddle for the New Yorker crowd.
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Friday, 7 August 2020 14:27 (three years ago) link
I think a fuckload of "well known" writers who teach in MFA programs don't really view themselves as having a job, but see teaching as an extension of their grad school days of drinking, gossiping, going to readings and parties and trying to sleep with students.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 7 August 2020 14:39 (three years ago) link
bourgeois careerist twaddle for the New Yorker crowd
Accurate.
Abolish all MFA programs imo (not really, but you know).
― pomenitul, Friday, 7 August 2020 14:40 (three years ago) link
Keyes, this is true. Along with the very amazing artists and writers I experienced in my MFA program were a number of men who were not just mediocre artists and writers, but also clearly exploiting their positions of power to get into bed with students...
But generally speaking, I had a very good experience, but I also was involved in the literary community, so knew how many of the people who were instructors acted in the social sphere...
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Friday, 7 August 2020 15:02 (three years ago) link
I'm also a little uncaffeinated, pardon weird grammar lol.
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Friday, 7 August 2020 15:03 (three years ago) link
I'll also mention, though, that a female prof (whom I never had as an instructor) slapped me on the ass and said I looked like Mick Jagger at a huge drinking party at the campus bar once. I was also intoxicated, but to say that it made me feel uncomfortable is an understatement.
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Friday, 7 August 2020 15:04 (three years ago) link
All MFA programs should be required to hire one Brad Thor/Tom Clancy-type writer of airport thrillers, and make that class mandatory.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 7 August 2020 15:31 (three years ago) link
We were due to publish Dean Young's new book in 2021. We have informed him that we are withdrawing our intent to publish.In response, we'd like to offer his publication slot to an underrepresented writer, to offer a space he occupied to somebody who hasn't had the access he has https://t.co/xZVdTXy2yn— Broken Sleep Books (@brokensleep) August 7, 2020
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 7 August 2020 18:44 (three years ago) link
Wow.
They published Prynne! It's like different fecking worlds. I wish more of the people in the US who read Young would also read Prynne— their poetry would be a hell of a lot better.
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Friday, 7 August 2020 20:21 (three years ago) link
does the Small Press Distribution thing belong here?
― sarahell, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 00:50 (three years ago) link
TELL US MORE
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 03:54 (three years ago) link
like does he have a car
― Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 03:55 (three years ago) link
sounds like it should do.
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 09:29 (three years ago) link
Can we not, sarahell.
― "Bi" Dong A Ban He Try (the table is the table), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 12:36 (three years ago) link
We can
https://wearespd.medium.com/statement-from-spd-staff-21ce94bf25e0
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 14:03 (three years ago) link
xp - I was mostly asking if table wanted to discuss it here tbh
― sarahell, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 17:34 (three years ago) link
It's way too messy and personal, in a lot of ways.
I support the workers of SPD, and believe that the ED needs to go. I also think that the board needs to be shaken up to more accurately reflect the diversity and leanings of SPD's constituent audience— institutions and stores and individuals who support smaller, independent publishers.
Until those things happen, I don't give a fuck what happens to SPD as an organization— from harboring a Proud Boy fascist motherfucker as a worker for years to this current situation, there's just been too much bullshit to really sweep under the rug.
― "Bi" Dong A Ban He Try (the table is the table), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 17:51 (three years ago) link
All that said, the current acts of the original complainant— smearing the board member who wrote the letter from the board as somehow being personally responsible for thousands of people losing their jobs— is a little much.
― "Bi" Dong A Ban He Try (the table is the table), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 17:55 (three years ago) link
Poetry Magazine has published a convicted pedophile and former college English prof as part of their prison justice issue.
He had something like half a million images of child porn on various computers and hard drives.
In any case, the internet is fucking exploding over it.
https://twitter.com/search?q=kirk%20nesset&src=typed_query
― The return of our beloved potatoes (the table is the table), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 19:09 (three years ago) link
wtf
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 19:11 (three years ago) link
I'm 95% for separating the art from the artist (not that I want to rehash this convo here) but ffs that doesn't mean this piece of human filth deserves a countersigned platform. Poetry Magazine, no less!
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 19:13 (three years ago) link
If Poetry magazine is not platforming poems that endorse, excuse or exonerate this prof's crimes, and they fully disclose his identity and reason for being imprisoned, then they have done as much as is necessary and responsible, imo.
― Compromise isn't a principle, it's a method (Aimless), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 19:20 (three years ago) link
Or, they could just not fucking publish him. FFS.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 19:32 (three years ago) link
People choose the strangest hills to die on. Are you going to tell me there was nobody better than the guy with the hard drive full of CSA material?
― wangdalf the blight (gyac), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 19:34 (three years ago) link
If it’s really all about the poetry, then publishing this for guy is an instant distraction from all the non-paedos they published in the same issue. Imagine getting the best poem of your life published and nobody notices because it was the same issue Poetry Magazine decided they had to platform Noncey Nesset?
― wangdalf the blight (gyac), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 19:36 (three years ago) link
i think they were trying to make a point -- affirming the humanity of even the most despicable kind of person. this isn't a regular issue but a prison justice issue, and a lot of people in prison, especially those who are in there for the long haul, are there for heinous crimes.
― treeship., Tuesday, 2 February 2021 19:38 (three years ago) link
what if the poems had been published anonymously? would that have been satisfactory?
― Compromise isn't a principle, it's a method (Aimless), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 19:38 (three years ago) link
We can all read the post m8
― wangdalf the blight (gyac), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 19:38 (three years ago) link
not saying this is a good point by the way, just that it is a point. in fact, for the cause of prison reform, highlighting more sympathetic prisoners would probably be wiser.
tapping the sign till my fingers bleedIs this the hill you want to die on? Does anyone still care about the rest of the poets in the issue they published the paedophile?
― wangdalf the blight (gyac), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 19:39 (three years ago) link
Fwiw I think he should be allowed to self-publish. But fuck giving him access to a preeminent venue.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 19:41 (three years ago) link
As a bunch of people on twitter pointed out, there are plenty of marginalised voices in the prison population who could use that space. This is basically maintaining establishment structures while pretending to be socially conscious. Fuck this.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 19:42 (three years ago) link
The editorial principle for this issue was to widen access to publication for writers inside prison & to expand access to poetry, bearing in mind biases against & barriers for incarcerated people. As such, the guest editors didn't have knowledge of contributors' backgrounds. 3/4— POETRY magazine (@poetrymagazine) February 2, 2021
― ... (Eazy), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 19:43 (three years ago) link
― treeship., Tuesday, February 2, 2021 11:38 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
the aporia in prison abolition discourse and is that lots of the men in prison are the type of violent men that virtually everyone is happy sticking in a cell and never hearing from again.
― Dusty Benelux (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 19:46 (three years ago) link
i mean, yeah
― treeship., Tuesday, 2 February 2021 19:46 (three years ago) link
― Compromise isn't a principle, it's a method (Aimless), Tuesday, February 2, 2021 1:20 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
goddamn man this is a fucked up post
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 19:47 (three years ago) link