I just finished book #10 of Robert Jordan's stupid series.

also dudes, feel free to spoil away.

* Padan Fain becomes a Darkfriend forty years ago. (TEotW,Ch47)
* Because he covers the Two Rivers area, Fain is chosen to be the Dark One's hound to search for the Dragon Reborn. (TEotW,Ch47)
* Padan Fain arrives in Emond's Field. (TEotW,Ch2)
* He enters Emond's Field and tells everyone about the news of the world. The Village Council asks him to step inside the Winespring Inn. (TEotW,Ch3)
* In the Trolloc attack, Fain's wagon is burned and he disappears. (TEotW,Ch7)
* The Fade forces Fain to accompany him and the Trollocs after the boys. (TEotW,Ch47)
* Rand runs into Fain in Baerlon and tells him they are staying at the Stag and Lion. (TEotW,Ch15)
* Fain frees himself of the Fade but is still forced to follow the boys. (TEotW,Ch47)
* Fain enters Shadar Logoth and encounters Mordeth. They merge, forming something more evil and powerful than either. (TGH,Ch49)
* Fain heads to Caemlyn after the boys. (TEotW,Ch47)
* Fain sees Rand in Caemlyn and tries to chase him. (TEotW,Ch39)
* Fain follows the boys through the Ways. He encounters Machin Shin, but the Black Wind leaves him alone. (TEotW,Ch47)
* Fain is brought before Moiraine and Agelmar after being caught trying to sneak in to Fal Dara. (TEotW,Ch46)
* Fain tells most of his story to Moiraine. He is held in the dungeon. (TEotW,Ch47)
* Fain is still being held in the dungeon. (TEotW,Ch53)
* Rand and Egwene visit Fain. He says he can feel Rand and that Mordeth knows more than all of you. (TGH,Ch3)
* Fain waits in the dark when Mat and Egwene come to visit. Ingtar and a Fade release Fain and he takes the ruby dagger from Mat. He learns of Toman Head from the Fade and decides to go there via the Waygate at Cairhien. (TGH,Ch5, Tor Q&A)
* Fain fights for control with the Fade and finally kills it, nailing it to a door. (TGH,Ch11)
* Fain wakes to find the Horn and the ruby dagger gone and is furious. He cannot sense Rand. Later, he can sense Rand again. He still feels compelled to hunt him and hates him for it. (TGH,Ch19)
* Fain's Darkfriends steal the Horn and the ruby dagger and set the Defender of the Dragonwall on fire. (TGH,Ch30)
* Fain takes the Horn and his followers through the Waygate to Toman Head after leaving a message for Rand with Barthanes. (TGH,Ch33)
* Leaving the Darkfriends and Trollocs in a nearby camp, Fain takes the chest to High Lord Turak in Falme. Turak opens the chest and confiscates the Horn and the ruby dagger. (TGH,Ch34)
* Fain sets himself up in style in Falme with fine clothes and a servant. (TGH,Ch42)
* Fain kills Turak's aide, Huan, for striking him. (TGH,Ch45)
* Padan Fain now calls himself Ordeith, which means Wormwood. He makes his way to Amador and into the good graces of Pedron Niall where he convinces him that the Two Rivers is a nest of Darkfriends. (TDR,Prologue)
* Ordeith leads fifty Whitecloaks to the Two Rivers and meets Dain Bornhald there. He intends to scour the Two Rivers so Rand will come to him. (TSR,Ch1)
* When Perrin's parents laugh at him, Fain murders the entire family. (TSR,Ch31)
* Fain has his own camp with his close followers. He also has a Fade prisoner. He knows one of the boys is to the south and that it is not Rand. (TSR,Ch31)
* Fain orchestrates a Trolloc attack that wipes out Taren Ferry but allows many to escape across the river carrying word of what is going on in the Two Rivers. (TSR,Ch45)
* Fain watches the defense of Emond's Field. Angry at the result, he plans to take his motley crew to Caemlyn, then Tar Valon. (TSR,Ch56)
* Fain meets with Elaida and talks about Rand. He notices the tension between her and Alviarin and relishes it. He wants both the Horn of Valere and the ruby dagger. (TFoH,Prologue)
* Fain retrieves the ruby dagger. Alviarin confronts him, but he convinces her that he is a high level Darkfriend. He quickly leaves the White Tower. (TFoH,Ch19)
* In Caemlyn, Fain sends some of his Whitecloaks to attack Rand as a test of his defenses. (LoC,Ch26)
* Fain and his pet Fade are staying with a Darkfriend family in Caemlyn. The son, Perwyn Belman brings him news that Rand was attacked by a Gray Man. Fain is furious because he wants Rand for himself. (LoC,Ch28)
* Fain is advisor to Toram Riatin in the Cairhien rebel camp. He now calls himself Jeraal Mordeth. Rand spots him, but he disappears into the crowd. (ACoS,Ch35)
* Fain jumps out of the fog, slices Rand with the ruby dagger and runs off laughing. (ACoS,Ch36)
* Fain brings Toram Riatin with him to Far Madding. (WH,Ch33)
* Fain arrives in Far Madding. He kills Kisman with the ruby dagger because he wants Rand for himself. (WH,Ch22)
* Fain sends a note to Rand telling him that Gedwyn and Torval are staying in a house on Blue Carp Street. (WH,Ch32)
* Fain kills Gedwyn and Torval then attacks Rand. He uses new powers to create an Illusion, but Rand slashes him with his sword. Fain flees. (WH,Ch33)

yeah im looking at it online i guess its oop now. tbh all ccg seem retardedly elaborate tho

you have said this before i think but srsly MTG is the non-complicated ccg and a barrel of fun.

i totally believe u guyz it just doesnt look uncomplicated from the outside

can we get back to talking about who killed asmodean and is moridin the reinarnation of ishamael and has rand had a menage with all his girlies yet

who killed asmodean

graendal

is moridin the reinarnation of ishamael

yes

has rand had a menage with all his girlies

yes oh yes 1000 times yes - he also got elyane pregnant

1. Graendel
2. Yes
3. Not directly, but when he knocks boots with one the others can sense it.

xp: dammit too slow, and yes forgot about the lolpregnancy

I mean seriously, why is the wackest one pregnant?

what a pimp.

* NS,Ch21 - Lan nearly loses his temper when Moiraine finds a patch of blisterleaf and uses it on him.
* TEotW,Ch5 - Tam and Rand keep small bags of medicines including willowbark.
* TEotW,Ch18 - Nynaeve tells Moiraine that flatwort tea and andilay root are best for fatigue. They clear the head and dim the burn in tired muscles.
* TEotW,Ch19 - Nynaeve gives Moiraine a weak tea of foxtail and marisin. It will help her sleep for an hour and not be groggy.
* TEotW,Ch38 - Nynaeve rubs Perrin's bruises with ground ivy, five-finger and sunburst root, a greasy ointment that relieves pain and heals bruises.
* TGH,Ch8 - In a dither, Nynaeve thinks she should dose herself with rannel and sheepstongue root. She uses them on people who are moping or acting like a fool. They perk one up a bit, but mainly they leave a horrible taste that lasts all day.
* TGH,Ch14 - When Perrin contacts the wolves, Mat thinks he looks ill and offers to make him some willowbark tea. He keeps willowbark in his saddlebags.
* TGH,Ch18 - Raw sheepstongue root is the worst tasting thing Nynaeve knows of.
* TGH,Ch23 - During her Accepted test, Nynaeve hears that that the new Wisdom gave Bran al'Vere gray fennel before he died. It is poison.
* TDR,Ch10 - As Mat's fever grows worse, Nynaeve wishes she had some worrynot root or feverbane.
* TDR,Ch38 - Nynaeve doses Dailin with corenroot to help make blood, dogwort for knitting flesh, and healall.
* TDR,Ch39 - Adden and his men dope Egwene, Elayne and Nynaeve with sleepwell root. The men think it will keep them asleep, but it actually clears headaches so one can sleep. It only makes one a little drowsy.
* TDR,Ch48 - Nynaeve and Mother Guenna test each others knowledge of herbs. Chainleaf tea and bluewort tea settle a queasy stomach. So does a brew of marshwhite leaves, but that has a bite to the taste. Flatwort tea or andilay root is good for fatigue. Whitefennel helps with a difficult childbirth. Powdered gheandin blossom on the tongue helps a heart attack. For a broken limb, give boneknit then wrap the limb in toweling soaked with boiled blue goatflowers. Sheepstongue root is good for eye pain.
* TSR,Ch7 - Nynaeve dosed Egwene with dogwood tea for moping. It tasted so bad Egwene hit her with a bowl.
* TSR,Ch34 - The Wise Ones give Mat tea made from timsin root and silverleaf for his headache.
* TSR,Ch52 - Nynaeve wants some willowbark or acem to make something for the lump on Thom's head.
* TFoH,Ch5 - Bair threatens to dose Egwene with bluespine tea, an incredibly bitter brew that serves no purpose except to "cure" sullenness or sulkiness.
* TFoH,Ch10 - Ronde Macura accidentally discovers the effects of forkroot tea. She uses it to drug Elayne and Nynaeve. It puts them to sleep and inhibits them from channeling.
* TFoH,Ch10 - Nynaeve finds white henpepper in Ronde Macura's kitchen. It will soothe a toothache but it will also turn one's hair black as night. They will use it to disguise Elayne.
* TFoH,Ch13 - Angry at having to play a servant, Nynaeve offers to make Elayne a tea of sheepstongue root and red daisy.
* TFoH,Ch15 - Egwene almost forces a brew of boiled catfern and powdered mavinsleaf on Nynaeve for lying.
* TFoH,Ch16 - Nynaeve uses some healall ointment on the scratches she received in Tel'aran'rhiod.
* TFoH,Ch26 - When she was a novice, Siuan washed a disliked Accepted's shifts with itchweed.
* TFoH,Ch36 - Nynaeve uses white henpepper to darken Birgitte's hair.
* TFoH,Ch48 - Nynaeve packs up the remedies she took from Ronde Macura from the healall to the dreadful forkroot.
* TFoH,Ch49 - Nynaeve rubs stinging mardroot-oil liniment into Uno's bruised shoulder and dabs some healall ointment on the gash on his face.
* TFoH,Ch49 - Elayne and Birgitte remove the dark coloring from their hair with pokeleaf. It is normally used for sore gums and toothaches. Nynaeve uses red fennel to settle her stomach.
* TFoH,Ch54 - Nynaeve adds some unnecessary sheepstongue root to Siuan's sleeping brew when they prepare to visit Tel'aran'rhiod.
* TFoH,Ch54 - Fearing Moghedien, Nynaeve wishes she had some goosemint for her heartburn.
* TFoH,Ch54 - With the a'dam, Nynaeve uses blackwasp nettles on Moghedien.
* TFoH,Ch55 - In Tel'aran'rhiod, Nynaeve gives Moghedien a cup of forkroot tea to drug her for real in Salidar.
* LoC,Ch7 - Nynaeve chews goosemint frequently to settle her stomach.
* LoC,Ch12 - Nynaeve chews goosemint to soothe her burning stomach.
* LoC,Ch15 - Egwene takes sleepwell root to make herself drowsy and clear her headache.
* LoC,Ch29 - Nynaeve still tastes boiled catfern and powdered mavinsleaf when she even thinks of lying.
* ACoS,Prologue - Ronde Macura reports to the White Tower the effects of forkroot. Elaida orders Joline and Teslyn to use it to capture Elayne and Nynaeve.
* ACoS,Ch32 - When they were novices, Seaine and Pevara put powdered itchoak on Serancha's shift.
* TPoD,Ch1 - Teslyn uses the forkroot on Joline to prevent her from interfering in Elayne and Nynaeve's escape from Ebou Dar.
* TPoD,Ch25 - Elaida is annoyed that everyone in the White Tower now seems to know about forkroot.
* TPoD,Ch28 - Someone poisons Adeleas and Ispan with crimsonthorn root. It is sweet. A little kills pain. More paralyzes and slowly kills.
* WH,Ch9 - Daved Hanlon stages an attack on Elayne, spiking her tea with forkroot.
* WH,Ch10 - Nynaeve doses Elayne with herbs to overcome the effects of forkroot. Greenwort and goatstongue might may one sleep, but they are sovereign for the stomach cramps caused by forkroot.
* WH,Ch10 - The assassins who attacked Elayne had daggers poisoned with gray fennel and powdered peach pit.
* WH,Ch12 - Women use heartleaf tea for effective birth control.
* WH,Ch14 - After her damane is caned, Tuon orders her welts painted with tincture of sorfa. She is also to be given lionheart for the pain.
* WH,Ch19 - Teslyn admits to Mat that she drugged Joline with forkroot to foil Elaida's plan to capture Elayne and Nynaeve.
* CoT,Ch30 � When Egwene is captured at Northharbor someone drugs her with forkroot.
* KoD,Prologue � Silviana intends to keep Egwene drugged with forkroot. Forkroot affects channelers much more strongly than those who cannot channel.
* KoD,Ch4 � Perrin learns that the Seanchan are using forkroot to detect and capture men and women who can channel.
* KoD,Ch11 � Mat learns that the Seanchan army at the Murandy border is using forkroot to detect and capture men and women who can channel.
* KoD,Ch12 � Perrin and Tylee go to Almizar to procure thousands of pounds of forkroot.
* KoD,Ch15 � When her pregnancy bothers her Elayne sometimes regrets not drinking heartleaf tea before lying with Rand.
* KoD,Ch20 - Nynaeve takes willowbark when she gets a headache from too much channeling.
* KoD,Ch24 � The Aes Sedai keep Egwene lightly dosed with forkroot so she can barely channel.
* KoD,Ch26 � Perrin and his followers dump thousands of pounds of forkroot into the aqueduct that leads to the cistern in Malden.
* KoD,Ch29 � Maighdin collapses after drinking water laced with forkroot.

http://www.brandonsanderson.com/article/56/Splitting-AMOL

^ Blog post by the guy completing the THREE VOLUME final novel.

That blog post is longer than most books.

yah his trilogy is really pretty good. he (used to?) post to a forum i post to and he seems like a decent guy - hes definitely into the series which i guess could be good or bad but at least its not some total hack

holy shit, i totally forgot about mazrim taim. was he a forsake in disguise or just a nutter?

nerd answers is:

a) jordan has unequivocally said that he is NOT demandred
b) its almost impossible for him 2 be any other forsaken
c) he is definitely a darkfriend

so cw is that he is some kind of modern chosen probably found and taught by ishmael

i read brandon sanderson's book elantris, it was pretty good. solid and unpredictable.

Wasn't nynaeve completely, totally annoying? Or was that some other character, I can't remember, it's been a few years since I read these daft books? I think I got as far as #7.

she was one of the annoying ones, yes.

lol "one of"

i walked over to the used bookstore in hopes they had a copy of the eye of the world ;_;

hoping sanderson has good enough sense to keep nynaeve's braid-tugging to a once-per-chapter max, otherwise she is one of my favs. she is at the very least one of the most important characters to the overall plot (between cleansing saidin and learning to heal stilled/gentled people also battling forsaken and shit).

really thinking sanderson is a great choice to finish the series, hoping he unlike jordan is capable of making it through an entire book without referencing the heavingness of every aes sedai's bosoms.

hey guys POO ta'veren: rand, perrin, mat

There's some point around book... 5? I think where the series really falls into "I am wsnking as I write this" territory that really made me roll my eyes (while wsnking).

Anyone else pissed that Jordan took time to write Siuan/Moiraine slash instead of finishing his series?

xp: Perrin without hesitation.

I mean, look at the evidence:

1. Awesome feral beast powers
2. Best wife of anyone in the series
3. Not crazy
4. Not a gigantic whiny pussy
5. duh his name

I tried to read the first book when it came out, but after fifty or a hundred pages of nothing happening I never gave it a second thought. However, on some perverse whim I decided to check out the audiobook of it from the library and now find myself on book 5. Book 1 was a bit of a rough slog, but 2-4 were pretty gripping. So far, 5 is dull and the padding is getting a bit absurd.

Perrin is by far the most "realized" character at this point, and thus my pick as well.

Mat sort of doesn't turn into a person until... book 7 I think? Whatever point it is when he actively starts leading soldiers.

Mat seems a shorthand sketch at this point - trying to get laid, trying to get money, and trying to get away from those who use the power, in that order. He and Nynaeve (had to copy that from upthread - I don't know any of the spelling!) have the worst internal monologues. I swear they are just cut and pasted from book to book.

Yeah, later on he turns into a human being but he is so obviously a placeholder at the beginning of the series it's kind of comical.

(At least Nynaeve had Lan to humanize her somewhat early on.)

The Lan thing is good so far, but her "pull braid, I don't snore, in the dreamworld I can't control myself" shtick is poor characterization. Of course, I'm listening to them because I like the world, the way the power works, and the plot, not for the mostly wooden protagonists.

A slight peeve: by book 5, is anyone reading it that hasn't read the first 4? Do you need to continue to recap each characters quirks and foibles? You could cut hundreds of pages from this series just by doing that little bit of editing.

mat is great, his development as a character wasn't entirely out of nowhere (it is hinted at early on - his visit with the aelfin was in book 1, wasn't it? also his struggle with the cursed dagger [although at the time it seemed a really blatant frodo/the one ring ripoff]), but especially in the last half of the series he has become one of the more interesting characters, and at least one of the most fun to read being the only character besides maybe thom merillin to have a sense of humor whatsoever.

rand losing his hand is exactly the WOT equivalent of fonzi jumping the shark though imo

I'm not disputing that the seeds for Mat's characterization aren't sown early on; I'm saying Jordan put them there and then said "now let me spend 7000 pages writing about everyone else before going back and making Mat tolerable".

absolutely...one of the reasons perrin has been such an interesting character is that his story has developed at a fair pace (except book 6 or 7? which left him out entirely), unlike pretty much anyone else in the series; the wolfbrother stuff earlier in the series, his return to the two rivers (highlight of wot for me), his marriage to faile, also didn't he make some kind of deal with the seanchan in 11?

matt didnt fuck w/ the door ter'angreal until book 4 ~~~ first two books dude is just a plot contrivance just a way to get rand doing shit. matt didnt even get a pov until book 3 and hes not really interesting until he starts sleepen with that queen in like book 7

Rand is pretty great but I like Lews Therin more. I see this as a big flaw with Rand.

no way, the turnaround in the mat storyline was definitely when he came out of the eelfin ter'angreal with all those old dead dude's memories

xpost i was sort of under the impression that rand's 'relationship' with lews therin would change when he cleansed saidin but i guess that didn't happen did it

rand is the inverse of matt he starts out reasonably interesting and slowly become more and more of a total joke and non-entity

nick yah i guess the battle where he 1st shows off his skillz as a general is a big turning point he has to face being tied to rand and the pattern no matter what he does but that not until the end of book 5 and hes not really in book 6 much

They're hinting that the Rand/Lews Therin thing is more related to whatever the deep ancient power that saidir and saidin are pale reflections of.

Mat didn't start getting interesting until after he met Tuon; there were all of these things that should have been interesting about him but the character was too busy going "LOOK AT ME, I AM A MASSIVE TOOL" to capitalize on them.

mat will always be more compelling than rand imho.

rand is the inverse of matt he starts out reasonably interesting and slowly become more and more of a total joke and non-entity

This is pretty OTM.

Perrin got pretty annoying in the last few books i thought, the storyline with him chasing the Shaido seemed to go on forever

tell me you guys are talking about dennis perrin

while its true that dennis perrin is a werewolf no we r not

best ta'veren is probably egwene as mentioned upthread

oh shit forgot she's also ta'veren...is nynaeve also?

OH big question here: can't remember for sure but isn't thom merilin actually elayne's father??

implied but not confirmed iirc

i dont think its verified but thats the cw xp

egwene isnt really ta'veren shes just my favorite EF character. of the three mat's probably my pick

do u guys have a favorite angreal in the story i am partial to the weird doorway (obvs) and the balefire rod but i am curious as to your more invested opinions.

not really angreal but the whole portal stone thing was a++++ and one of my favorite things in the series

the protective get-ups the nynaeve and the other powerful AS has are pretty cool