Anything movie-related too although at first glance we didn’t see anything playing we haven’t seen. Any repertory picks.
― Chris L, Friday, 6 September 2019 17:43 (four years ago) link
I read this book awhile ago, in the middle of reading a stretch of urban history sort of stuff in general, and it sort of solidified in my mind that to love living in any city means to love living in an environment that is constantly shifting and changing. It's made me very unsympathetic to "omg my favorite bar/club/restaurant/store is gone this city is DEAD" sort of arguments, which feel like they are ultimately delusional about what cities actually are/how they function. Which is not to say there aren't tons of things I miss when they go (RIP Aquarius, Hamburger Mary's, Crescent City Cafe, Elbo Room, Tip Top Inn, Recycled Records, ad infinitum) just that I generally feel more philosophical about it when it does happen - it's just the nature of things. Some things get preserved and last longer than most, most things come and go - and this is especially true in a boom-n-bust town like SF, which has continually been transformed by multiple waves of migration and cultural shifts ever since the Gold Rush. Things wash over the city and some stuff sticks around for awhile and the rest washes away, and this goes for even the most iconic landmarks and the geography. I mean I once had an old guy tell me the town was ruined when they built the Golden Gate Bridge, that it ruined the Bay he remembered from the early 30s.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 6 September 2019 17:47 (four years ago) link
where are you staying Chris?
it's different when no one (in SF or NYC) with a normal fucking job can afford to live anywhere near the city; not normal "boom-n-bust"
xp
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 September 2019 17:49 (four years ago) link
We’re in Union Square.
― Chris L, Friday, 6 September 2019 17:50 (four years ago) link
lol guess I don't have a normal job, nor does anyone else I know like the guy in the radio piece I just posted about, or my bandmates that still live in SF, or anybody else I know who's lived here since the early 90s
― Οὖτις, Friday, 6 September 2019 17:55 (four years ago) link
I would say don't hang around in Union Square too much, although riding those outdoor elevators is entertaining once or twice
you could do worse than seeing Howlin Rain at the Chapel tonight, if yr into wooly stoner-rock: https://www.thechapelsf.com/
― Οὖτις, Friday, 6 September 2019 17:56 (four years ago) link
or any of the latino families my kids go to school with, or any of the asian families out in the Sunset/Richmond etc etc
why do I bother
― Οὖτις, Friday, 6 September 2019 17:57 (four years ago) link
xps
― Οὖτις, Friday, 6 September 2019 17:58 (four years ago) link
the basic pattern of SF is that a bunch of assholes moves here expecting to cash in/become millionaires off of whatever the latest opportunity is (gold, silver, shipping, hippies, websites, apps), money floods the city, those that make a ton buy up some shit and make things really expensive/transform the city, those that don't make quite enough filter out to the surrounding area ("let's all move to Sacramento, where that money I made will go further!"). This happens repeatedly in 20-year cycles or so.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 6 September 2019 18:02 (four years ago) link
Chris L: if you're not wanting to wander far from Union Square, I liked Bartlett Hall well enough the one time I went for a work get-together, for all its fairly obvious stylization:
http://bartletthall.com/
But on the weekends it's probably a crush. Generally the area's tourist trappy, per Shakey's comment.
If you do go out to the Chapel, you might as well hit up what's around there -- the attached bar's pretty solid (and you don't have to pay for the show) though I haven't tried the new restaurant. That said if you're looking for a much more chill bar all around, head over to the Royal Cuckoo, though that's well down the way on Mission:
https://www.yelp.com/biz/royal-cuckoo-san-francisco
No TVs, only music is either vinyl plays or live organ performances, low-key lighting, great cocktails. Combine that with Taqueria Cancun across the street and Mitchell's Ice Cream right near by and believe me, that's a good evening. (I live nearby but I'll need to chill this weekend after hosting friends last weekend; still, drop a line and I may have a second wind.)
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 September 2019 18:07 (four years ago) link
you mean, as in people can't afford to move ... with rent control, you do have people who do have "normal fucking jobs" but they have been in the same house/apartment for a long time and can't afford to move, ... I know I'm in that position ... meanwhile, most of my peers are moving to other neighborhoods or further afield and not into my neighborhood because it's now super expensive.
― sarahell, Friday, 6 September 2019 18:11 (four years ago) link
Thanks I’d be more than willing to travel from Union Square lol
― Chris L, Friday, 6 September 2019 18:14 (four years ago) link
We’re probably most interested in any cool bars or music tips.
― Chris L, Friday, September 6, 2019 10:43 AM (twenty-seven minutes ago)
If you're in Union Square, you're close to BART so you could just as easily go to downtown Oakland -- a couple friends of mine are partners in a co-op bar/restaurant called Tamarack in downtown Oakland, and there are a lot of small clubs and fun spots near there.
― sarahell, Friday, 6 September 2019 18:15 (four years ago) link
No TVs, only music is either vinyl plays or live organ performances, low-key lighting, great cocktails. Combine that with Taqueria Cancun across the street and Mitchell's Ice Cream right near by and believe me, that's a good evening.
Cuckoo's cool, yes. I like all the bars/little clubs on that stretch of Mission tbh - El Rio, Knockout, etc. Mitchell's and Cancun are both institutions at this point.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 6 September 2019 18:16 (four years ago) link
it's kinda one of the few spots in SF that is a reminder of what a lot more of SF used to be like.
― sarahell, Friday, 6 September 2019 18:19 (four years ago) link
These are great recs, thank you everyone. Sounds like we’re leaning toward hanging out in Mission.
― Chris L, Friday, 6 September 2019 18:37 (four years ago) link
i'm glad you know the fortunate few, "Body Snatchers '78" Collier
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 September 2019 19:01 (four years ago) link
24th heading toward Pops is another nice ramble, and you can cut over to stop at the Phone Booth. I'd add Virgil's to the first list.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 6 September 2019 19:23 (four years ago) link
yeah I love 24th Street. we had our first baby shower at St. Francis lol
― Οὖτις, Friday, 6 September 2019 19:26 (four years ago) link
Didn’t Pops become some gentrified douchehole?
― sarahell, Friday, 6 September 2019 20:09 (four years ago) link
Bars for Chris: I’ve liked Shotwells when visiting. Also liked the pinball arcade Free Gold Watch (though not a bar).
Pretty great lineup for Hardly Strictly Bluegrass, especially considering it’s free.
― ... (Eazy), Friday, 6 September 2019 20:14 (four years ago) link
xpost -- yeah my one time there, not so great. Couple of good bars along 24th, I did enjoy Big Rec. But generally speaking when I head home from work I just head home -- closer to work, I like Junior, though, and Hop Oast is a great small brewery.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 September 2019 20:17 (four years ago) link
oh, there's a new-ish pinball + bar near the knockout -- outer orbit -- good people run it.
― sarahell, Friday, 6 September 2019 20:52 (four years ago) link
Massive Attack are playing tomorrow night.
― akm, Friday, 6 September 2019 21:37 (four years ago) link
Also liked the pinball arcade Free Gold Watch (though not a bar).
this place is fukkkkin RAD, we go there every couple weeks, take the kids. They have a great range of machines and generally keep them in great working order.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 6 September 2019 21:38 (four years ago) link
idk about Pops, I haven't been in there in 15+ years. I generally only go to bars with bands these days
― Οὖτις, Friday, 6 September 2019 21:39 (four years ago) link
Yeah, been meaning to check it out and Cellarmaker as well.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 September 2019 22:00 (four years ago) link
second the Shotwell rec., and i always liked Bender's. oh! and La taqueria around 25th/mission >>>> Cancun imho but i guess everybody has certain preferences wrt their tacos and whatnot
― one charm and one antiup quark (outdoor_miner), Friday, 6 September 2019 22:16 (four years ago) link
Not for Chris L. but more for locals:
There was supposed to be a Purple Mountains show on Sunday night at The Chapel but it's turned into a tribute for David Berman... I perused the performer list and nobody rang a bell except for Mark Eitzel.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 6 September 2019 22:25 (four years ago) link
Sonny Smith is from Sonny and the Sunsets, he's great
not sure who any of those other people are
― Οὖτις, Friday, 6 September 2019 22:27 (four years ago) link
xxp Cancun is nearer to my house, so. That said, what I'm really a fan of is the local La Corneta, frankly.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 September 2019 22:30 (four years ago) link
La Corneta's fine, we go to El Metate a lot cuz its closest, San Jalisco also near me and is v good. La Taqueria always feels like it has a line a mile long so I don't bother. But imo the best burrito in town is actually the El Tonayense truck (their brick + mortar restaurant got replaced by Wise Sons, which I also love so it's not so bad)
― Οὖτις, Friday, 6 September 2019 22:32 (four years ago) link
honestly the only burrito joint I *won't* eat at is El Faro
― Οὖτις, Friday, 6 September 2019 22:33 (four years ago) link
Free Gold Watch looks fun as hell, we’ll definitely try to stop there.
Only single seats are left for Massive Attack but they’re coming to DC where we live soon.
― Chris L, Friday, 6 September 2019 23:01 (four years ago) link
METALLICA is playing the yet to be named Warriors stadium if you want a taste of a local metal band.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 6 September 2019 23:09 (four years ago) link
"local""metal""band"
― Οὖτις, Friday, 6 September 2019 23:11 (four years ago) link
best burrito in sf is breakfast burrito from EBX
― boobie, Friday, 6 September 2019 23:12 (four years ago) link
It's called the Chase Arena AFAIK
I'll be there Sunday night in the fucking nosebleed seats.
― akm, Friday, 6 September 2019 23:16 (four years ago) link
Chase Center, doncha know
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 September 2019 23:23 (four years ago) link
Following up to say I ended up here for dinner -- pretty great!
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 7 September 2019 02:08 (four years ago) link
this "Yes on C" campaign is out of control, want to slap everyone involved
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 15:20 (four years ago) link
I went to EBX last week and within a minute my eyes were itching (I'm allergic to shrimp).
― Doctor Hu (Leee), Thursday, 19 September 2019 17:26 (four years ago) link
Wtf is EBX
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 September 2019 17:37 (four years ago) link
East Bay Express?
― sarahell, Thursday, 19 September 2019 17:44 (four years ago) link
El Burrito Express.
― Doctor Hu (Leee), Thursday, 19 September 2019 17:48 (four years ago) link
Embarcadero Brilliantine Xcitement
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 September 2019 18:13 (four years ago) link
Didn’t C happen last year? Or is this another C
― akm, Friday, 20 September 2019 02:58 (four years ago) link
a new prop C put on the ballot by Juul, I think
― Dan S, Friday, 20 September 2019 03:01 (four years ago) link
a conspiracy of doordrop printers
― lost IDM classics (lukas), Friday, 20 September 2019 03:04 (four years ago) link