you're such a treeship, treeship
― j., Saturday, 2 February 2019 18:46 (five years ago) link
This is just... wow: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/02/11/a-suspense-novelists-trail-of-deceptions/amp?__twitter_impression=true
― just1n3, Monday, 4 February 2019 20:14 (five years ago) link
Seriously.
― JoeStork, Monday, 4 February 2019 20:37 (five years ago) link
Though for all the horrifying, jaw-dropping lies, the point at which I had to take a break was the mention of the friend who wrote a story featuring a charming manipulator named Tom Rigbey.
― JoeStork, Monday, 4 February 2019 20:41 (five years ago) link
Halfway through and wow... Will withhold judgement till I finish it but: it's amazing how much one person can get away with
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 4 February 2019 20:46 (five years ago) link
xp haha
good read but not surprising I don’t think? I just assume the literary world is set up for guys like this
I adore highsmith but what a terrible and boring legacy at this point
― sciatica, Monday, 4 February 2019 20:46 (five years ago) link
good read but not surprising
i work in publishing and yep lol
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 4 February 2019 20:49 (five years ago) link
woah I'm 95% sure I did my year abroad at oxford at the same time as this dude at the same college
― rob, Monday, 4 February 2019 21:37 (five years ago) link
The oblivious, upbeat father at the end is a great touch.
― George R. R. Caro (PBKR), Monday, 4 February 2019 22:00 (five years ago) link
was thinking of Jeffrey Archer right up until the piece mentions him in passing but this lad ends up making him look like an honest grafter in comparison fair play
― Terry Major-Ball Will Tell You (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 07:58 (five years ago) link
Surely he deserves to have all this attention lavished upon him. Surely this tale of mythomania hasn't been told countless times already. Surely this won't vindicate his behaviour and further contribute to his tedious legend.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 08:33 (five years ago) link
the process is tedious and demoralizing but necessary imo
the company who published and promoted his book come off looking particularly bad here. who at that company decided to publish the book?
― The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 08:41 (five years ago) link
this dude's book sounds pretty terrible
NY article was an amazing read, tho
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 08:44 (five years ago) link
Didn't like the way some of his actions were explained away as some weird Ripley copy.
Lol @ Craig Raine.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 10:59 (five years ago) link
yowww that article is fuckin wild
― Calgary customer Elvis Cavalic (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 11:37 (five years ago) link
The book sounds like hot garbage but i guess that’s what the American reading public hungers for so whose fault is it really
― Mordy, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:14 (five years ago) link
maybe the real psychopaths... are us
― Calgary customer Elvis Cavalic (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:15 (five years ago) link
gone girl deserves better copycats than this and the girl on the train
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:18 (five years ago) link
This guy sounds more like a pathological liar than a con artist. Some of these lies had the effect of burnishing his reputation but he was really sloppy about it. And other lies he took farther than he needed to if he was just trying to become a powerful editor
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:27 (five years ago) link
I haven't read the article, but this guy's book is a dumb domestic thriller novel not a memoir, right? Who gives a fuck if he's a liar?
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:30 (five years ago) link
maybe you should i dunno read the article
― Calgary customer Elvis Cavalic (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:31 (five years ago) link
it's good!
― Calgary customer Elvis Cavalic (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:32 (five years ago) link
Like if I found out that Harlan Coben was lying about being David Foster Wallace's college roommate would that make his plot twists any worse?
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:32 (five years ago) link
you should read the piece
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:33 (five years ago) link
it's a great piece bc it's v interesting and the guy is a character but i don't think it's like "and therefore his thriller novel about liars is bad" (except that it sounds bad on its own merits). the most lol part was the agatha christie legacy writer who wrote characters based on the guy.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:35 (five years ago) link
I like the part where he sent emails to colleagues that he said were from his brother about what an amazing guy he (the novelist) was. Think I am going to start doing this. My family could stand to send more unsolicited emails of this kind, I feel
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:35 (five years ago) link
He was just correcting the record
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:36 (five years ago) link
then when someone asks you about your brother you can reply 'oh he's dead, he committed suicide' and move on to talking about that time you were on the cover of russian vogue
― Calgary customer Elvis Cavalic (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:37 (five years ago) link
Seemingly you can keep this up for a long time with no consequences
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:41 (five years ago) link
being a charming, handsome white fabulist has its advantages it seems
― Calgary customer Elvis Cavalic (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:42 (five years ago) link
lupus in fabula
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:43 (five years ago) link
i have read the piece and president keyes is largely otm
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 19:53 (five years ago) link
How otm could he be he thinks the story is that this novel is bad bc the author is a liar
― Mordy, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 19:55 (five years ago) link
the quality of the book itself is almost an aside, since it's a given that this type of derivative cash-in thriller is going to be likely fucking terrible. the piece is about how the guy conned and emotionally bullied his way into a place where he could easily call in some favors and do the cashing-in.
― omar little, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 20:02 (five years ago) link
it's certainly a bit of a catfishing story, and one would almost pity the guy if he clearly wasn't trying to sink other people around him as a means to elevate his own standing.
― omar little, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 20:03 (five years ago) link
i would rather watch a movie about this guy than a movie based on his book
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 20:07 (five years ago) link
oh, i don't care about the book or its quality, and it's interesting how everyone apparently just let him get away with everything. but he didn't kill anyone, doesn't even seem to have done anything illegal, he's just a big liar. it seems like something that could have been summed up in far fewer than 12,000 words
i mean recent history shows us that a lot of people lie about a lot of things that are often more consequential than publishers and academics being suckers
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 20:12 (five years ago) link
I have pissedin the cupsthat were inyour officeand whichyou were probablysavingfor book launchForgive meI had a tumor and my mom died and my brother— Nichole LeFebvre (@nickylefe) February 4, 2019
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 20:15 (five years ago) link
lol
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 20:17 (five years ago) link
haa
― imago, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 20:23 (five years ago) link
I’m unclear if I’m supposed to have intuited that he may have been ghost-writing some of the novels by his clients, or if my tendency to find conspiracy is dry-firing. Anybody else wonder about that?
― rb (soda), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 20:30 (five years ago) link
― mookieproof
it could have, yes. it's not a very entertaining read. the point isn't entertainment, though. when you're dealing with a person of that particular personality type, _somebody_ has to go through and run down all of the evidence, point by point, in a comprehensive manner. if people choose to ignore the facts, well, that's a said state of affairs, but a lot of how liars get away with their lies is people not wanting to go through the tedious and unrewarding work of debunking those lies.
there are things to be learned from this story and i don't think whatever habitual fabulist is the subject of the article will be the one to learn those things.
― The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 20:43 (five years ago) link
a thriller novelist afflicted w/ mythomania circulating through the publishing world... i was entertained
― Mordy, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 20:45 (five years ago) link
i did like the 'moves back to usa, develops britishes accent' part
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 21:03 (five years ago) link
I read this earlier today on Ted Bundy:
https://theoutline.com/post/7043/ted-bundy-netflix-efron-handsome?zd=1&zi=jh2l2p6n
And while it isn't ofc on any level like Mallory there is a sense that this is what it takes for people to face consequences to actions if you look a certain way, go to certain places, put on certain mannerisms you will be given every chance to fail upwards. How much further would he have gone with his act?
Just speaks volumes for the world we have built.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 21:47 (five years ago) link
rly makes u think
― Calgary customer Elvis Cavalic (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 21:51 (five years ago) link
haha wow this is so otm
qhow on earth Glenn Howerton — a man who has effectively been playing Bundy on It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia for the best part of 15 years — was passed over for the role is beyond me. Perhaps he was afraid of being typecast
― legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 21:52 (five years ago) link
besides the howerton line that outline article is... pretty bad :/ sorry
― Mordy, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 21:53 (five years ago) link
sure its not your politics
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 21:55 (five years ago) link