2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

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Superdelegate SLUMBER PARTY!!!!

At least that would put shit out in the open and keep it from being some kind of closed-door decision.

sounds like a convention

Senator Hagel: US may need another party (article doesn't mention Dem. party at all: does he know they exist?)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080320/ap_on_re_us/hagel_book

lol Hege1s0n

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbe1aswKhhY

LOL pauly shore on a geraline ferraro tip WTF ok

Come on Eeyores, keep your eyes on the ball, don't lose heart!

http://www.mtv.com/shared/media/news/images/v/Vaughn_Vince/sq-with-dodgeball-fox.jpg

http://www.newsoxy.com/img/news/obama_poll.jpg
serious obama is serious

waitaminute, Obama is BLACK?

No no, that's Robert Downey Jr. in blackface. Don't worry.

That's just a still from Miami Vice.

Obama needs to get his shirts sized properly.

“I do not understand what Sen. Obama is afraid of, but it is going to hurt our party and our chances in November and so I would call on him, once again, to join me in giving the people of Florida and Michigan the chance to be counted as we move forward in this nominating process,” the former first lady said at the outset of an Indiana press conference.

Clinton went to Michigan this week to make her case. However, it appears that efforts in both states to hold a re-vote are coming up short. The Clinton campaign is saying that Obama’s refusal to strongly support such primaries is part of the problem.

“I do not see how two of our largest and most significant states can be disenfranchised and left out of the process of picking our nominee without raising serious questions about the legitimacy of that nominee,” Clinton said.

They opted to disenfranchise themsleves

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March 20th,
2008
2:01 pm

One does not have to be a Republican to agree with this author’s analysis. As unfortunate as it is on a certain level, Obama’s candidacy is now fatally flawed.

Furthermore, my earlier hypothesis regarding the completely uncritical drum-beat in favor of Obama by the MSM and Republican talking-heads appears to have been correct.

I.e., the purpose of the Obama push was to “kill off” Hillary early; failing that, if she had been nominated despite the Obama challenge, she would have been seriously weakened, and therefore an easier opponent for McCain.

There is no question that Obama’s connections were known to those were pushing this agenda; their goal all along was to make Obama the Democratic candidate, after which he would have been defeated by the Reverend-argument.

Fortunately, this information came to light before Obama was confirmed the Democratic candidate. Now, there is still a chance of a Democratic president.

I feel sorry for the Obama supporters; they have been seriously used.

(However, I would be surprised this comment on the NYT pages…they have been a part of the Obama chorus.)

— Posted by XYZ

I feel sorry for the Obama supporters; they have been seriously used.

:(

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gyXVIfZ2F2CTuuxH3_93vuTP-ywwD8VHAH2G0

obamas ncaa brackets :D

Jill Sixpack with a deskjob and headphones is.

otmfm

Huckabee's comments re: Wright = awesome, I hope they get more coverage

lol

The Democratic presidential candidate and avid basketball player selected North Carolina, Kansas, Pittsburgh and UCLA in his Final Four bracket, and is counting on North Carolina to beat UCLA in the championship game.

The state of North Carolina, with 115 delegates at stake, holds its primary May 6.

wow huckabee!

also lol:

"I've got my own T-shirts, man," Obama said in the radio interview. "Our T-shirts are superior, what can I tell you."

Obama 2008: superior t-shirts

man the amount of completely disingenuous shit that comes out of Hillary's mouth is really quite something.

I wonder if daria still supports her.

she does

Daria excluded, I wonder how many people who actually pay close attention to her still support her.

plenty

I think the thing that some people are not understanding about the support Hillary is getting is that some people are banking on Hillary's insider status as a positive rather than a negative; her campaign is being run like it is because she's been around the wordsmithing/"big lie" block and, while it may come across as manipulative and dishonest, it also comes across as being very cognizant of the type of dealing and manipulating you have to be capable of to get any modicum of anything done in American politics. Combine that with arguably more tangible positions on touchpoint topics like health care and it really shouldn't be a surprise why people are still behind her.

also, the guy shes running against is black

I'm not surprised by her support or her actions Dan. I am sorta disappointed in how blatantly dishonest and manipulative she's willing to be.

Wake me up when she revokes her support for universal healthcare, decides against a rapid withdrawal from Iraq, speaks in favor of keeping Guantanamo open, etc. I'm rather less concerned about the usual to and fro of politics, and would still happily support her if she won the nomination.

Dan, OTM.

Yes e, but not necessarily because they're thinking "I could NEVER vote for a black man!"

I know several people who would rather see the current situation blow up in the face of the first woman President rather than the first black President under the logic that people are more likely to forgive a white woman who makes a mistake than a black man. I also know several people who are convinced that Obama will be murdered the instant he wins the election and are therefore super-hesitant to vote for him. Neither of these positions are particularly rational and I've heard them pretty much exclusively from people of color.

Shakey: I'm not because if she's willing to manipulate people so that she can get her way, maybe she'll be able to manipulate Congress and/or foreign leaders into doing what she wants them to do, which, if it matches her campaign platform, will be an end result not far from what Obama is aiming for. They are running a clear-cut "the ends justify the means" campaign and I won't criticize them for that. (They won't be my first choice because of it but I'll still vote for her over McCain pretty much any day of the week.)

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This is why I'm so excited about Obama: it's his metapolitics that says the "big lie" politics are what's wrong with American politics. I believe he'll do what a president can do to get us past this (which sadly isn't very much: our culture has to get past this too, and that's the real issue).

It's very Kennedy vs. LBJ, ain't it?

Most people will vote for a hypothetical *black man*. It's when the guy actually starts to look like there's anything capital B Black about him that people start to raise doubts, and the doubts usually come in disguised or coded language, often with the voters themselves unaware of the racial subtext of what they think.

Well, like I said before most of the "not voting for a black man" rhetoric I've heard has come from black people. (Granted that's not really a shock if you think about it.)

Haha, do you think you're going to hear it from a white person, Dan?

... No, hence the last parenthetical in my previous post.

It's very Kennedy vs. LBJ, ain't it?

Kennedy told his own Big Lie all through the campaign (the "missile gap," which Eisenhower and Nixon knew was horseshit).

I mean it's not like anyone has ever said "I wouldn't vote for a black guy" to me either. But like I said I don't think voters are often aware of the subtext of the fact that they're uncomfortable with his "angry church" or the fact that he "just doesn't seem trustworthy" or whatever.

This is why I'm so excited about Obama: it's his metapolitics that says the "big lie" politics are what's wrong with American politics. I believe he'll do what a president can do to get us past this (which sadly isn't very much: our culture has to get past this too, and that's the real issue).

100% agree

Shakey: I'm not because if she's willing to manipulate people so that she can get her way, maybe she'll be able to manipulate Congress and/or foreign leaders into doing what she wants them to do, which, if it matches her campaign platform, will be an end result not far from what Obama is aiming for

I understand this, Dan (and note the "maybe" in your sentence), but HRC has been so feeble that she reminds me of all those feckless congressmen on Tim Russert's show, fluent in the Beltway banter and little else. For a while Obama's virtues for me were strictly negative: he didn't sound like HRC, McCain, or Giuliani.

One thing I like a lot (probably the most) about Obama's message is that it's vague and mutable. He's not going into an unknown situation with a cast-in-stone plan that will almost certainly be blown out of the water by the first unexpected occurrence; he's going in with a series of overarching goals and a general methodology for getting there, with the idea that he will survey the lay of the land and adjust his strategies accordingly to acheive his goals. At least, that's the message I take away from his campaign; I don't know how much of that is "how I would be President" transferrence.

Dan, it really upsets me to read how fearful some of your friends are.

I would feel less hesitant about Hillary as a President if I believed even a little that she was willing to attack her Presidential battles with the venal gusto she has applied to her candidacy.

I knew about Wright because I was introduced to him not through soundbites but through Obama's first book, and although the "controversial" tenor of the speech excerpts is somewhat present it is also very apparent that Wright is better than that. Interestingly, Wright is speaking in Florida tomorrow and this will obviously be mobbed by press. One can only hope this encounter will help and Wright will deliver a better form of jeremiad.

No, that's exactly what I told my mom last week when she dismissed his campaign's lack of specifics. "The good candidates NEVER get specific in a primary, and the great ones never do in the GE either."

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I would feel less hesitant about Hillary as a President if I believed even a little that she was willing to attack her Presidential battles with the venal gusto she has applied to her candidacy.

And there are LOTS of left-liberals who want vengeance for 8 years + of GOP smears, but ulitmately what's left? It's not even fun angry-sex.

There's definitely an odd backlash among some bizarre subsubsubsegment of the black population that's basically like "I don't know if he's prepared for this plus he'll get shot;" I think it's part of why Clinton won MA.

(ie my representative sample is tiny so I don't know how widespread the attitude is but I've heard it more than once from people who don't intersect)