“oh gosh I was practicing this extremely advanced thing called intertextuality and forgot the appropriate attributions...”hanging’s too good for these charlatans
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 8 December 2018 04:08 (five years ago) link
young adult publishing is the cutting edge these days
https://www.vulture.com/2019/01/ya-twitter-forces-rising-star-author-to-self-cancel.html
― mookieproof, Friday, 1 February 2019 20:23 (five years ago) link
Fun
― Norm’s Superego (silby), Friday, 1 February 2019 20:42 (five years ago) link
Something similar happened in YA a while ago—a book got tagged as racist before it was released due to some cocnerns about appropriation or something. pvmic and all, but i find these rigid ideas of what people have the right to represent actually terrifying.
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 1 February 2019 20:49 (five years ago) link
geez, treesh, won't you think of the children?
― sarahell, Saturday, 2 February 2019 00:16 (five years ago) link
these ppl are so fucking stupid
god help us all
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 2 February 2019 00:25 (five years ago) link
What’s maddening is that it grows from a legitimate form of critique. Some forms of representation do reproduce harmful ideas, even if on the surface it doesn’t look that way. Publishing has elevated certain stories over others, and correcting this imbalance is definitely a valid editorial objective.
But I just think when it comes to these flare ups, people are using this form of critique as a cover for vapid point-scoring. And they’re also taking too rigid a line—overlooking the distinction between what might be problematic, and worth discussing, and what is like, morally unacceptable speech that needs to be swiftly codemned.
― Trϵϵship, Saturday, 2 February 2019 17:47 (five years ago) link
The discourse is completely reactive and the pattern is always the same—one person is “called out” and dragged before a (metaphorical) firing squad. And then when they or others complain this an unbalanced response, they get accused of tone policing or comparing someone’s career being derailed to real injustice—which is of course usually isn’t what’s happened
― Trϵϵship, Saturday, 2 February 2019 17:50 (five years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/feb/02/zadie-smith-political-correctness-hay-cartagena
― pomenitul, Saturday, 2 February 2019 17:53 (five years ago) link
I love zadie smith. Didn’t read the article yet but probably otm
― Trϵϵship, Saturday, 2 February 2019 17:56 (five years ago) link
Didn’t read the article yet but probably otm
I love you Treeship, but new board description?
― Frederik B, Saturday, 2 February 2019 18:15 (five years ago) link
Good idea, yeah. Your quote’s been on there long enough.
― Trϵϵship, Saturday, 2 February 2019 18:16 (five years ago) link
Yeah, that was the partly the reason...
― Frederik B, Saturday, 2 February 2019 18:20 (five years ago) link
you're such a treeship, treeship
― j., Saturday, 2 February 2019 18:46 (five years ago) link
This is just... wow: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/02/11/a-suspense-novelists-trail-of-deceptions/amp?__twitter_impression=true
― just1n3, Monday, 4 February 2019 20:14 (five years ago) link
Seriously.
― JoeStork, Monday, 4 February 2019 20:37 (five years ago) link
Though for all the horrifying, jaw-dropping lies, the point at which I had to take a break was the mention of the friend who wrote a story featuring a charming manipulator named Tom Rigbey.
― JoeStork, Monday, 4 February 2019 20:41 (five years ago) link
Halfway through and wow... Will withhold judgement till I finish it but: it's amazing how much one person can get away with
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 4 February 2019 20:46 (five years ago) link
xp haha
good read but not surprising I don’t think? I just assume the literary world is set up for guys like this
I adore highsmith but what a terrible and boring legacy at this point
― sciatica, Monday, 4 February 2019 20:46 (five years ago) link
good read but not surprising
i work in publishing and yep lol
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 4 February 2019 20:49 (five years ago) link
woah I'm 95% sure I did my year abroad at oxford at the same time as this dude at the same college
― rob, Monday, 4 February 2019 21:37 (five years ago) link
The oblivious, upbeat father at the end is a great touch.
― George R. R. Caro (PBKR), Monday, 4 February 2019 22:00 (five years ago) link
was thinking of Jeffrey Archer right up until the piece mentions him in passing but this lad ends up making him look like an honest grafter in comparison fair play
― Terry Major-Ball Will Tell You (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 07:58 (five years ago) link
Surely he deserves to have all this attention lavished upon him. Surely this tale of mythomania hasn't been told countless times already. Surely this won't vindicate his behaviour and further contribute to his tedious legend.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 08:33 (five years ago) link
the process is tedious and demoralizing but necessary imo
the company who published and promoted his book come off looking particularly bad here. who at that company decided to publish the book?
― The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 08:41 (five years ago) link
this dude's book sounds pretty terrible
NY article was an amazing read, tho
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 08:44 (five years ago) link
Didn't like the way some of his actions were explained away as some weird Ripley copy.
Lol @ Craig Raine.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 10:59 (five years ago) link
yowww that article is fuckin wild
― Calgary customer Elvis Cavalic (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 11:37 (five years ago) link
The book sounds like hot garbage but i guess that’s what the American reading public hungers for so whose fault is it really
― Mordy, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:14 (five years ago) link
maybe the real psychopaths... are us
― Calgary customer Elvis Cavalic (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:15 (five years ago) link
gone girl deserves better copycats than this and the girl on the train
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:18 (five years ago) link
This guy sounds more like a pathological liar than a con artist. Some of these lies had the effect of burnishing his reputation but he was really sloppy about it. And other lies he took farther than he needed to if he was just trying to become a powerful editor
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:27 (five years ago) link
I haven't read the article, but this guy's book is a dumb domestic thriller novel not a memoir, right? Who gives a fuck if he's a liar?
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:30 (five years ago) link
maybe you should i dunno read the article
― Calgary customer Elvis Cavalic (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:31 (five years ago) link
it's good!
― Calgary customer Elvis Cavalic (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:32 (five years ago) link
Like if I found out that Harlan Coben was lying about being David Foster Wallace's college roommate would that make his plot twists any worse?
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:32 (five years ago) link
you should read the piece
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:33 (five years ago) link
it's a great piece bc it's v interesting and the guy is a character but i don't think it's like "and therefore his thriller novel about liars is bad" (except that it sounds bad on its own merits). the most lol part was the agatha christie legacy writer who wrote characters based on the guy.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:35 (five years ago) link
I like the part where he sent emails to colleagues that he said were from his brother about what an amazing guy he (the novelist) was. Think I am going to start doing this. My family could stand to send more unsolicited emails of this kind, I feel
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:35 (five years ago) link
He was just correcting the record
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:36 (five years ago) link
then when someone asks you about your brother you can reply 'oh he's dead, he committed suicide' and move on to talking about that time you were on the cover of russian vogue
― Calgary customer Elvis Cavalic (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:37 (five years ago) link
Seemingly you can keep this up for a long time with no consequences
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:41 (five years ago) link
being a charming, handsome white fabulist has its advantages it seems
― Calgary customer Elvis Cavalic (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:42 (five years ago) link
lupus in fabula
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 14:43 (five years ago) link
i have read the piece and president keyes is largely otm
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 19:53 (five years ago) link
How otm could he be he thinks the story is that this novel is bad bc the author is a liar
― Mordy, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 19:55 (five years ago) link
the quality of the book itself is almost an aside, since it's a given that this type of derivative cash-in thriller is going to be likely fucking terrible. the piece is about how the guy conned and emotionally bullied his way into a place where he could easily call in some favors and do the cashing-in.
― omar little, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 20:02 (five years ago) link
it's certainly a bit of a catfishing story, and one would almost pity the guy if he clearly wasn't trying to sink other people around him as a means to elevate his own standing.
― omar little, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 20:03 (five years ago) link
i would rather watch a movie about this guy than a movie based on his book
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 20:07 (five years ago) link