wonder who the last poet was who could be said to have a "career as a poet"
it's prob been a while, even t.s. eliot had a day job
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:07 (five years ago) link
pile on culture is not the problem here, lol
― Frederik B, Monday, 3 December 2018 17:08 (five years ago) link
I liked the one treesh quoted above who was like “my poems have had a minor impact on how people think and write, as a poet I find this unacceptable”(Putting aside that this coopting of her style is 100% without question only in her head)
― Pierrot with a thousand farces (wins), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:09 (five years ago) link
"I'll be ready to go in a few minutes, just sending out this month's poetry invoices."
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:18 (five years ago) link
Career as a poet = teaching job, right?
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:21 (five years ago) link
yeah
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:29 (five years ago) link
(also grants, residencies, etc)
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:31 (five years ago) link
I still can't get past the tattoo. The public shaming seems a bit superfluous when she's already tattooed herself with her own offense.
― jmm, Monday, 3 December 2018 17:37 (five years ago) link
🌻 see you in the states this fall!! i can’t wait my loves. tickets are on sale now. https://t.co/7CeaxRduPf 🌻 pic.twitter.com/sO5w2jX9uP— rupi kaur (@rupikaur_) August 16, 2018
― ... (Eazy), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:49 (five years ago) link
there should be a little meter on twitter that says when someone has been piled on exactly enough so everyone knows when to stop
― na (NA), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:54 (five years ago) link
xp strafkolonie omg
not sure why j. made that suicide quip above
it wasn't a quip, i'm saying, people kill themselves over things like this, you think the same thing that i said
goddamn plagiarists everywhere
― j., Monday, 3 December 2018 17:57 (five years ago) link
when I was taking literature classes there was a guy whose project was going to poetry readings with a notebook and free writing while the poet read. He'd mix in his own lines with stuff he was hearing the poet read. This got iffy when he attended student readings and presented his partially-lifted poems in the workshop. People were bugged by it, but he was up front about what he was doing. He got a Stegner fellowship.
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 15:43 (five years ago) link
'Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different. The good poet welds his theft into a whole of feeling which is unique, utterly different from that from which it was torn; the bad poet throws it into something which has no cohesion.'
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 15:50 (five years ago) link
I saw someone doing this at a reading the other night, or maybe writing down phrases they liked. Seemed a little odd but also a thing that poetry students might do.
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 15:53 (five years ago) link
Back in Homer's day…
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 15:53 (five years ago) link
i agree that people shouldn't lift lines from other poets...
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, December 2, 2018
how do you feel about allusion?what if the lift is in a character's voice?do we need to re-evaluate jean rhys?
obv the case in question is a whole other thing but man, i'd hate to imagine a world where every artifact has to be sui generis
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:23 (five years ago) link
my biggest takeaway from this is lol poetry
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:32 (five years ago) link
From the beef or this thread?
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:36 (five years ago) link
from poetry
― j., Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:10 (five years ago) link
Xp rogermexico, that’s kind of what I was saying in my flurry of commentary upthread—the tweets about this issue seemed to display a pretty naive understanding of authorship and originality. What would they think of an artist like Sturtevant?
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:17 (five years ago) link
This is a very clear-cut case of plagiarism, though. As someone said above, it reads exactly like an undergrad with a thesaurus trying to get out of being detected. There is no recontextualisation or conversation here, just thievery.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:22 (five years ago) link
Yes but treesh found some twitter rando saying biting someone’s style is literally murder so now that is what this case is about
― Pierrot with a thousand farces (wins), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:25 (five years ago) link
That was not a rando, i think that was this plagiarist’s publisher
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:29 (five years ago) link
No, the publisher was talking about actual plagiarism
― Pierrot with a thousand farces (wins), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:31 (five years ago) link
Oh thats right. The style person was some kind ofnpoetry student. Be that as it may
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:32 (five years ago) link
i liked this but better if it rhymed
― puppy bash (darraghmac), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:43 (five years ago) link
The publisher was out of line too.
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:44 (five years ago) link
Eh the publisher said a true thing (“this is unacceptable”) in kinda ott language (“evil”), I’m p whatever about the idea that @GhostCityPress might take poetry too seriously
― Pierrot with a thousand farces (wins), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:49 (five years ago) link
evil is a stupid term at best of times, when tweeted in reference to something someone did in poetry then the tweeter should be taken out to a main square and kicked to death on a stage
― puppy bash (darraghmac), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:50 (five years ago) link
Evil is a good and useful term it means very bad fyi
― Pierrot with a thousand farces (wins), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:52 (five years ago) link
100% rise in Twitter hyperbole-related public kicking deaths this year. Be safe out there.
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:52 (five years ago) link
thats progress is that
― puppy bash (darraghmac), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:53 (five years ago) link
If they’re poets they should be careful with their language!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! xp
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:55 (five years ago) link
well that really goes for all writers but: they aren't
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:58 (five years ago) link
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It kinda does with my Danish accent
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:11 (five years ago) link
This is a very clear-cut case of plagiarism, though.
― emil.y, Tuesday, December 4, 2018
no question. it wouldn't be worth discussion except for the Too Extreme For America conversation going on around it.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 8 December 2018 00:30 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9BwWKXjVaI
― Trϵϵship, Saturday, 8 December 2018 00:33 (five years ago) link
The interesting thing about plagiarism in contemporary poetry is that there's loads of it (fella called If a Lightman writes about it a lot and does some detective work on it). Probably because so much poetry is published but so little read, plagiarism can easily hide.
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 8 December 2018 01:53 (five years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/sep/09/poetry-plagiarism-copying-maya-angelou-ira-lightman-will-storr
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 8 December 2018 01:58 (five years ago) link
“oh gosh I was practicing this extremely advanced thing called intertextuality and forgot the appropriate attributions...”hanging’s too good for these charlatans
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 8 December 2018 04:08 (five years ago) link
young adult publishing is the cutting edge these days
https://www.vulture.com/2019/01/ya-twitter-forces-rising-star-author-to-self-cancel.html
― mookieproof, Friday, 1 February 2019 20:23 (five years ago) link
Fun
― Norm’s Superego (silby), Friday, 1 February 2019 20:42 (five years ago) link
Something similar happened in YA a while ago—a book got tagged as racist before it was released due to some cocnerns about appropriation or something. pvmic and all, but i find these rigid ideas of what people have the right to represent actually terrifying.
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 1 February 2019 20:49 (five years ago) link
geez, treesh, won't you think of the children?
― sarahell, Saturday, 2 February 2019 00:16 (five years ago) link
these ppl are so fucking stupid
god help us all
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 2 February 2019 00:25 (five years ago) link
What’s maddening is that it grows from a legitimate form of critique. Some forms of representation do reproduce harmful ideas, even if on the surface it doesn’t look that way. Publishing has elevated certain stories over others, and correcting this imbalance is definitely a valid editorial objective.
But I just think when it comes to these flare ups, people are using this form of critique as a cover for vapid point-scoring. And they’re also taking too rigid a line—overlooking the distinction between what might be problematic, and worth discussing, and what is like, morally unacceptable speech that needs to be swiftly codemned.
― Trϵϵship, Saturday, 2 February 2019 17:47 (five years ago) link
The discourse is completely reactive and the pattern is always the same—one person is “called out” and dragged before a (metaphorical) firing squad. And then when they or others complain this an unbalanced response, they get accused of tone policing or comparing someone’s career being derailed to real injustice—which is of course usually isn’t what’s happened
― Trϵϵship, Saturday, 2 February 2019 17:50 (five years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/feb/02/zadie-smith-political-correctness-hay-cartagena
― pomenitul, Saturday, 2 February 2019 17:53 (five years ago) link
I love zadie smith. Didn’t read the article yet but probably otm
― Trϵϵship, Saturday, 2 February 2019 17:56 (five years ago) link
Didn’t read the article yet but probably otm
I love you Treeship, but new board description?
― Frederik B, Saturday, 2 February 2019 18:15 (five years ago) link