2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

yeah that lanny whateverhername thing is pretty little-o-underscore-big-o

the first two replies to that Lanny thing are pretty major pwnz

and she's a man: "Mr. Davis, a partner in the Washington, D.C. office, is a member of the Litigation Group"

He was WH counsel in the Clinton admin

Lanny Davis is a man

obama's address today on the war & the economy:

http://thepage.time.com/full-text-of-obamas-speech-the-cost-of-war/

god the whole comments thread is one pwn after another!

HILLARY CLINTON CAMP SHAME ON YOU WHY DESTROID THE PARTY YOU GONNA LOOSE ANYWAY. REMBER THIS MAKE A DIRTY POLITICS AGAINST OBAMA AND NOVEMBER NO BLACK GONA VOTE HILLARY SHAME ON YOU

Posted by: ERIC BARTHEL | Mar 20, 2008 12:22:34 PM

otm

One could even call them racist.

passive voice cop out

that's not passive, it's subjunctive.

ABC --

One interesting event in Sen. Hillary Clinton's just-released schedules from the 1990s comes on Nov. 10 1993, when the former first lady was to serve as the closing act during a briefing on NAFTA, the trade agreement she now assails…"It wasn’t a drop-by it was organized around her participation," said one attendee. "Her remarks were totally pro-NAFTA and what a good thing it would be for the economy. There was no equivocation for her support for NAFTA at the time. Folks were pleased that she came by. If this is a still a question about what Hillary's position when she was First Lady, she was totally supportive if NAFTA."

Obama campaign now making this case to the press in their daily conference call

1. If a white minister preached sermons to his congregation and had used the "N" word and used rhetoric and words similar to members of the KKK, would you support a Democratic presidential candidate who decided to continue to be a member of that congregation?

so Wright saying "white people are oppressing black people" is equivalent to the KKK murdering blacks. stfu Lanny.

c'mon it's a clever thought experiment! what if martin luther king had been WHITE! i bet black people wouldn't have listened to him as much. thus proving the hypocrisy of the civil rights movement.

but guys white and black experiences are totally interchangeable dontchaknow

lol xpost

HOORAY! Over on HuffPo, one of my heroines is putting the boot in to Hill's own religious alliances:

huffingtonpost.com/barbara-ehrenreich/hillarys-nasty-pastorate_b_92361.html

UH www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-ehrenreich/hillarys-nasty-pastorate_b_92361.html

UH did I not mean: www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-ehrenreich/hillarys-nasty-pastorate_b_92361.html

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Wow, that article. It also nicely illustrates how embedded is in the Washington establishment, perhaps helping Obama's argument that she isn't the candidate to bring real change.

Wow, that article. It also nicely illustrates how embedded HRC is in the Washington establishment, perhaps helping Obama's argument that she isn't the candidate to bring real change.

Fixed.

speaking of huffpo one of my favorite professors wrote a great open letter to geraldine ferraro:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/p-gabrielle-foreman/an-open-letter-to-geraldi_b_91956.html

Damn! That is really impressive.

Onion classic this week.

i was watching some of the cable news last night and the daily show this AM which show "highlights" of the reaction and am i wrong or is this speech -- this great, thoughtful, speech -- actually going to hurt obama???

that seemed to be how it was being received.

even through all the bush stuff, the last 8 years and the war and everything i guess i always thought that ppl could be convinced if they just heard this said the right way by the right person -- not some d-bag like kerry -- but now even this might just get chewed up in the maw of all those hideous white asshole talking heads....like that makes me more depressed than 8 years of bush ever could, that maybe now there's not even a chance of any kind of real dialogue about race or anything else.

It's been a conservative strategy for some time now to turn white guilt on its head and make it seem as though it's actually white people who are the perennial victims of both racism (or "reverse racism") AND false accusations of racism. It reminds me of that Zvi Rex quote: "Germany will never forgive the Jews for the Holocaust."

Obviously this perverse twisting of the race issue wouldn't work if it didn't play on people's very real guilt/denial regarding their own racism and their fears of black people.

Obama took a step toward addressing that, but it's a really tricky issue.

It was a smart speech. Generally, most people don't trust people smarter than themselves.

However at a Thursday press availability in Terra Haute, Indiana after a report surfaced that the Clinton campaign was pushing the Wright story to superdelegates arguing that the relationship hurt Obama's electibility -– Clinton refused to deny that her campaign was pushing the story.

When asked, Clinton ignored the Wright portion of the question and said “well my campaign has been making the case that I am the most electable that I have said that for a year or more that I am the person best able to make the challenges that our country faces as commander in chief.”

When Clinton was then asked specifically if her campaign was pushing the Wright story –- she shrugged and took the next question, ignoring the reporter.

Isn't it Terre Haute?

What a fucking twat xpost

anyway, that's disturbing. But ultimatey I think it's better it comes out now than in the GE as said above.

If Gore or Kerry had made such a speech in 2000 or 2004, unless it was at the convention almost everyone would either read/see the highlights or read a transcript of the speech. Now folks can watch it anytime or read the transcript immediately.

Reading about the runup to the Iraq War has been a reminder of how soundbites and headlines have been essential to campaigning and politicking in the past few decades. We may be changing to a higher level of substance, as YouTube replaces CNN Headline News as a source of information.

I think Obama's dealt with this well - addressed the issue in a high-profile speech that caused a lot of chatter, then immediately getting out a series of statements on other matters that are of undeniably higher importance to the country and the campaign (the war/the economy). I don't see how else he could've handled this. Wright will damage his momentum over the next couple weeks but I don't think this will last too long - tho echoes of it will probably return in the GE once he gets the nom.

Is Joe six pack spending half an hour a day watching speeches on youtube?

xpost

the worst thing - as has been already noted - is that Clinton is using this stuff to damage his standing with DEMOCRATS, which is bad for the party.

Is Joe six pack spending half an hour a day watching speeches on youtube?

Jill Sixpack with a deskjob and headphones is.

2 million views in two days.

A McCain campaign aide actively pushed an incendiary, racially-charged video that uses the controversial words of Barack Obama's pastor to tar Obama as unpatriotic -- despite the fact that McCain himself has suggested that Obama shouldn't be held accountable for Wright's views.

The aide, Soren Dayton, who works in McCain's political department, has been suspended from the campaign, a McCain spokesperson, Jill Hazelbaker, confimed to me.

lol dude posted the link on twitter

the worst thing - as has been already noted - is that Clinton is using this stuff to damage his standing with DEMOCRATS, which is bad for the party.

Hooray! Destroy the party! If it doesn't see Obama's obvious intelligence as "electable," then it shouldn't just be destroyed, but eviscerated, its ashes sprinkled on FDR's grave.

haha what are you going to replace it with?

haha what are you going to replace it with?

http://www.wanprc.org/prrs/images/Proboscis%20Monkey.JPG

sorry dude, i'm too stupid to understand what that means

he wants to replace the democrats with some weird monkeys

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., expressed support of a proposal floated by Tennessee Gov. Phil Bredesen to hold a superdelegate primary in an interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper.

The idea calls for a two-day superdelegate primary in June to reach a fast decision towards a party nominee, in anticipation of the race still being deadlocked between Clinton and Obama after the last contests wrap up.

Obama said, "I thought that actually Gov. Bredesen of Tennessee had an interesting proposal...That would probably be the best way to insure that at lest there's a couple of months before the convention."

Superdelegate Primary: good idea? y/n?

y

Superdelegate SLUMBER PARTY!!!!

At least that would put shit out in the open and keep it from being some kind of closed-door decision.

sounds like a convention